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Should a pastor officiate newly married couples exchange rings in church? if NO why? if yes Why?

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In my opinion, rings are considered as jewellery and I can't remember exactly what, but something about antigodly origins. So, they may be best avoided. On the other hand, some cultures place a high value on making a statement using rings. So they are purely for the purpose of declaration and sending a message. Such that it does more harm than good not to wear. In such situs, I think it would not be wrong for the cultural wedding and cultural pastor to allow that. Again, I say if it can be avoided, then it must be. Esp where culture doesn't demand.
In my opinion, rings are considered as jewellery and I can't remember exactly what, but something about antigodly origins. So, they may be best avoided. On the other hand, some cultures place a high value on making a statement using rings. So they are purely for the purpose of declaration and sending a message. Such that it does more harm than good not to wear. In such situs, I think it would not be wrong for the cultural wedding and cultural pastor to allow that. Again, I say if it can be avoided, then it must be. Esp where culture doesn't demand.

I think it is more like a cultural issue.  Adventists in Europe wear weddings ring as it is a symbol of being marred.

...and West Indians...and even for some Americans.

Andrew

 

No true Christian pastor should ever, under any condition, officiate at a ring ceremony. 

 

The wedding ring, along with Sunday worship, has such a sordid history that any pure, Christian would not want to be involved in it in any way.  It is possible to trace the wedding ring clear back to just this side of the flood.  This is why rings are so popular in heathen cultures and apostate Christian venues. 

When paganism got it's start in worshipping the sun, its followers noted that in some circumstances, the sun would have a series of rings around it.  We call them Sun Dogs in the west, I'm sure there are other names for them too that I am not aware of.  So, the idea started of wearing rings as a sign of one's allegiance to the Sun god.  In fact, when heathen worshippers came to worship their god at the temple, the temple prostitutes would wear what we call a wedding ring as sign that they were there to service the worshpper.

It was when Israel adopted the styles of the surrounding heathen people that rings were introduced among God's people, even before Israel became a nation.  In fact, when revivals came among God's people, one of the first things that happened was that they got rid of their ornaments, including rings.  The same thing will happen today when there is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.  When a person is truely converted, they will entrust the stability of their marriage to God and not to any outward adornment, including the wedding ring.  God cannot pour out His Spirit on a person who is sporting the sign of allegiance to the sun god, even when it is in ignorance.  Oh, Satan will pour out a counterfeit experience, but the genuine experience that is from God will be missing.

In fact, the wearing of the ring is an abomination to God, for it is a sign that the person is depending on some human ability and not trusting in Him.  No, God will not strike someone dead for wearing a wedding ring.  However, when a person comes to really love God, the ring will dissapear.  I have personally seen this happen many times.  Often without any comment from another human being.  As they grow closer to God, they find their ring to be a barrier to an even closer walk with God and they choose to divest themselves of this pagan symbol of trusting Satan to keep their home together.  In contrast, when a person starts compromising, one of the first things they take on is the wedding ring, if they are married.  And I have even seen it used by unmarried too.  I'll not go into what that symbolizes.

 

Maranatha :)
Ray

 

 

Ray, I've heard the same thing and have shared this for almost 20 years now. It is true, even the Papists know of the pagan origins of many 'Christian' TRADITIONS... I quote:

Cardinal Newman lists many examples of things of 'pagan origin' which the papacy brought into the church 'in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen': "The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; holy water; asylums [hermitages, monasteries and convents]; [pagan] holy-days, processions, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images, . . . and the Kyrie Eleison."--Cardinal J. H. Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, 1920 edition, p.373 [Roman Catholic].

Note the date on the quote. This was admitted only BEFORE the 'deadly wound' was healed! I know, I was never Catholic but attended Catholic school till 8th grade and learned a lot about papal doctrines.

Great work, Ray!

(BTW my dad's name was Ray, too!)

True, they prefer to officiate over the exchange of Rolexes instead.

Ray, Great post!
Thanks for posting.
Wow, I didn't think it like that. Thankyou Ray Philips. Scary stuff - missing the outporing. I wonder how many more quite innocent seemingly things apart from Christmas and easter would potentially disqualify us. I guess we have to be careful and search for the truth harder and be willing to accept it in spite of culture, no matter how hard. And it is hard in some situations. Thank God for the Holy Spirit.
This left me wondering what the place of tradition is in issues like this.
Got a clearer understanding from "Christ Object Lessons p304 4th paragraph" as well as "The signs of the Times August 6, 1896 3rd and 4th paragraph."

And...

Mm... It appears the more you search the scriptures, the more you realize how you are so not of this world... not only rings, but I'm quite sure there's more to surrender. Not so easy.
These I found comforting:

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Maybe that's not much of a big hug, but at least it shows the just shall survive

And this one compliments the first...

Col 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

The fourth digit or ring finger of the left hand has become the customary place to wear a wedding ring in much of the world, though in certain countries the right hand finger is used.[5] This custom was practically established as the norm during World War II.[6] The use of the fourth finger of the left hand (the 'ring finger') is associated with an old belief that the left hand's ring finger is connected by a vein directly to the heart: the vena amoris or vein of love. This idea was known in 16th and 17th century England, when Henry Swinburne referred to it in his book about marriage.[7] It can be traced back to ancient Rome, when Aulus Gellius cited Appianus as saying the ancient Egyptians had found a fine nerve linking that particular finger to the heart.[8]

DO ADVENTIST COPY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING AS THE WAY OF UNITY IN MARRIAGE FROM THE PAGANISM?

The Sacrament or, more properly, Sacred Mystery of Marriage does not unite a man and a woman. Rather, it is the Church's recognition of a union that God has already begun to work in their lives.[citation needed] As long as the union remains within the reality of this world, it will be subject to sin, pain, and death. But, through the Sacred Mystery, the union enters at the same time into a new reality: that of God's Kingdom. In Christ, marriage is restored to its initial perfection and in the sacrament, this union is made open to the possibility of what God intended marriage to be from the beginning: an eternal life of joy in union with Him.

Thus, marriage goes beyond a legal contract. There is no exchange of vows - the two have freely and coequally committed to one another and consented to God's presence in their union. There is no phrase "'til death do us part". If marriage is brought into the Kingdom of God, death, as a separation, is powerless over it. Christ has destroyed death by His Cross and Resurrection; therefore, the union of man and woman in Christ is eternal.

[edit] The Exchange of the Rings

The Orthodox Sacrament of Marriage, shared by Byzantine Catholics, actually consists of two parts: The Exchange of Rings and The Crowning. This first part of the wedding service can be equated with the 'civil service'. It takes place in the vestibule (entry) of the church; that area seen by the Church as the closest to the 'outside' world. In this service the Church first prays for the couple. Here the Church recognizes and blesses a union which has begun "in the world" yet awaits fulfillment in the world to come. After being blessed by the priest, the rings are placed on the right hand, the hand with which promises and/or oaths are traditionally made and the hand with which the presence of God is recognized through the sign of the Cross. The rings, of course, are the symbol of betrothal, agreement, authority, and stewardship from the most ancient times. The exchange of the rings gives expression to the fact that in marriage the spouses will constantly be complementing each other. Each will be enriched by the union. The exchange of rings represents a pledge to share and exchange both their physical and spiritual goods, a pledge of eternal love and devotion.

[edit] The Procession

After the Exchange of the rings the priest leads the couple in procession into the middle of the church. The priest chants Psalm 128, "Blessed is everyone who fears the Lord, who walks in His ways..." This psalm is one of the "Psalms of Ascent" sung by Jewish pilgrims on the way to the Jerusalem Temple. This point in the service most clearly reveals the "action" of the sacrament. The couple brings themselves, each other, their lives, and all that fills their lives, to the altar as an offering to God. As the couple enters into the midst of the Church, their relationship enters into the new reality of God's Kingdom.

[edit] Declaration of Intent and Lighting of Candles

Having processed into the church, the couple must individually proclaim, before the assembly, that they have come freely, without constraints or prior commitment, to be joined by God as husband and wife. The bride and groom are then handed candles which are held throughout the service. The candles represent the couple's faith and willingness to follow the Light of Truth, Jesus Christ, and that they will have their way through life lighted by the teachings of the Church.

[edit] The Crowning

Russian-style wedding crowns, 19th century.

After prayers are offered on their behalf, the groom and bride are crowned by the priest "In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit":

O Lord, our God, crown them
in glory and in honour.

The crowns have two meanings. First, they reveal that the man and woman, in their union with Christ, participate in His Kingship. Second, as in the ancient Church, crowns are a symbol of martyrdom. The word "martyr" means witness. The common life of the bride and groom is to bear witness to the Presence of Christ in their lives and in the world. Martyrdom is usually associated with death. So the reality of God's Kingdom in the life of the husband and wife will necessarily take the form of dying to one's self, to one's will, and the giving of one's life totally to the other, and through the other, to Christ.

[edit] The Epistle

The epistle is taken from St. Paul's letter to the Ephesians (5:20-33). It presents the cornerstone of the Christian vision of marriage: the love of man and woman parallels the love of Christ and the Church. As Christ gives Himself totally to and for His Church, so the husband is to give himself totally to and for his wife. As the Church, in turn, is subject to Christ, so the wife subjects herself to her husband. Thus the two become one in a life of mutual love and mutual subjection to each other in Christ.

[edit] The Gospel

The gospel, from John (2:1-11), is the familiar account of the Marriage at Cana where Christ turns the water into wine. A person must drink water simply to survive. Wine, on the other hand, is more than just a drink that quenches thirst and continues life. Wine is associated with joy, with celebration, with life as being more than mere survival. By His presence at this wedding He changes the union of man and woman into something new. Marriage becomes more than a mere human institution, existing for whatever purpose a society assigns it. It becomes, like the Church Herself, a sign that God's Kingdom has already begun in our midst.

[edit] The Common Cup and the Dance of Isaiah

After more prayers, a common cup of sweet wine is blessed and shared by the couple as a sign of their common life together, a sharing of joys and sorrows, successes and failures, hopes and fears:

I shall partake in the Cup of Salvation,
and I shall invoke the name of the Lord.

This is followed by the triple procession around the center table: the "Dance of Isaiah". The officiating cleric, holding the hands of the groom and bride, and followed by the best man (or woman) who holds the newlyweds' crowns above their heads, and the bridesmaids holding the lit white candles, walk three counterclockwise turns around the table in a celebratory "dance", as the congregation sprinkles them with rice and flower petals. Each of the three turns is accompanied by each of the three hymns, which return once more to the theme of martyrdom and union with Christ. These are the hymns that, since ancient times, the Church has used to emphasize God's blessings, and the same ones sung at ordinations to clerical orders. They signify that this couple has been set apart from the mundane world to live a life in Christ:

Dance, O Isaiah, for the Virgin had in womb and bore a Son,
Emmanuel, God and Man, Whose name signifies the coming of the Light,
and Whom we bless, even as we praise the Virgin.

Holy Martyrs, who fought well and were crowned,
intercede to the Lord
To have mercy on our souls.
Glory be to Thee, Christ the God,
Boast of the Apostles, Joy of the Martyrs,
whose preaching is the consubstantial Trinity.

Throughout the service, things are done in threes in remembrance of the Trinity. Man is made in the image and likeness of God. Marriage is intended by God to be an image of the Trinity. It is the union of three persons, not two. Man and woman are one with each other and one with the person of Jesus Christ.

[edit] Removal of the Crowns

At the end of the service, the crowns are removed and the priest prays that God will receive these crowns into His Kingdom. The reality of the Kingdom into which the bride and groom have entered is not completely fulfilled, but only begun. Husband and wife must receive God's Kingdom and make it both a present reality and a challenge and goal of their common life. Completion and fulfillment will come when Christ returns in power and glory to complete the establishment of His Kingdom in this world by filling all things with Himself.

[edit] The Greeting of the Couple

At the end of the service, the couple stands at the foot of the altar. From the beginning, at the back of the church, they have now progressed to the forefront. Only the eternal Kingdom of Jesus Christ, as signified by the Altar, remains ahead of them. The cleric bestows upon them the final Benedictions of the Church, praying to the Lord to "bless the groom as He blessed Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob", and to "bless the bride as He blessed Sarah, Rebecca, and Rachel", to "tower the couple as the cedars of the Lebanon", to see them "prosper as the thriving vine", and to have them "see their children, and the children of their children, like the new branches of the olive tree, seated around their table". The couple's final act is to turn and face the assembled Church. Through this sacrament, they have become an icon of the Church and icon of Christ and the assembly comes up to congratulate them and share in their joy.

[edit] Divorce

Divorce is permitted in the Orthodox Church for various reasons. The more usual divorce occurs under the pastoral guidance of the spiritual director of the spouses when all attempts at salvaging a marriage have been exhausted. In such cases, remarriage may be possible but there is a special rite for a second marriage which contains a penitential element for the dissolution of the first, i.e. some of the more joyful aspects are removed.[1] Marriage is permitted up to three times in Orthodoxy but each divorce necessitates a short period of Excommunication.

Another type of divorce is what is known as an "ecclesiastical divorce", which does not signify the breakdown of the relationship but is a step taken for the sake of the theosis of the spouses and with the full support and blessing of the Church. This type of divorce may only take place where there is mutual agreement between the two spouses, and is usually carried out in cases where the husband is selected to be consecrated a bishop (as Orthodox bishops are monastic) or where one or both spouses wish to otherwise adopt the monastic lifestyle.

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