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When Sunday worship is finally mandatory how will SDA worship?

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Redva

The real answer is: "We do not know."  We will have to let the Holy Spirit guide us as the situation presents itself.  The counsel is that we should be moving out of the big cities, with plans to move out into the country.  Then when the death decree is passed, we can worship God in the wilderness, unmolested by those who do not submit to God's revealed will. 

Today, at the very least, we can get out of the big cities.  Which is more important, the city life and the big money?  Or Eternal life in heaven?  Even today, it is, in my estimation, time to move out of even the smaller big cities, cities of a few hundred thousand.  They too have become hotbeds of all kinds of corruption.  Some friends of mine (I live in a comparativly small city, under 100,00) are even contemplating moving out into the country, as we see things going on around us. 

But, the bottom line is this. We must always be ready to follow the leading of the Lord.  Those who really love Him and are tuned in, will know when that time comes.  He will be sure to show us, we must be ready to obey.  But, if we are not obeying His instructions in other things, there is no chance that we will obey Him in such a move.  This is one danger of being "politically correct" today.

It may even be that our faithfulness in worship will be part of our final testing.  Whatever it might be, we must determine, as Jesus did, to do nothing on our own initiative, but only do what God tells us to do.  See John 5:30 NASB

 

Maranatha :)
Ray

Hey my friend, long time. Bro Ray we need a faith even if it is as small as the mustard seed should be as firm and as solid as a rock- unmoveable and unshakable.

In reality though, Can every SDA move out of the big cities?

Love

Sis. Redva

 

Read Matt 24:20

Andrew welcome to the forum. The text is,

 

 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 

 

What is the explanation for this.

 

Love

Sis. Redva

That will depend on various factors that an indivual faces in his or her daily life,one here one risks to lose employment that automtically shows you tht it is not an easy decision to make..what about if you don't a place to go to..?

Samuel welcome. You just have to leave it exclusively to God- like abraham, Moses, Elijah and the many others. all that you say will happen so brace yourself for it and dont give up.

Love

Sis. Redva

Redva,this is the 21st century the world isn't getting any younger things are moving fast the economy is stiffnenning everyday even the worlds most stable countries are on the verge of collasping ,yuo ran out the big cities they will still follow you to the upcountry ,here their is no escape you will have to take the sword ..knowing that that pain is for a shorter period of time..any we shall have the last laugh

So Samuel you are implying therefore that the counsel from the SOP to flee the big cities is rubbish and we should not follow that instruction because we will be caught anyhow and anywhere.. Remember that God uses the simple things of life to confound the wise. His instruction to flee the city might sound stupid and unrealistic but what He says he means. Just as Elijah walk past the guards unnoticed and went straight ti Ahab likewise we can sit on a stone in the hill and the soilders walk pass us and dont see us. God will protect and deliver us when we are obedient to His word. You must be careful when we speak and ensure we do not contradict the instructions given.

Love Sis. Redva

  I HAVE NOT SEEN U IN AWHILE   REDVA  Welcome back with a gr8  question. . In part  big cities is a trap it true but as Ray also points out  it cannot be  done on our own for it would be a failure. , WE  are sooo late in time    that their are no safe havens in actuality  left..

    Every  city today is hurting financially    and are connected to sattelites that  seem to spy on our every move so where  in what city will Sabbath  keepers of todays world actually be safe ? ..  BIG CITIES LIKE Miami where I live are full of vice and corruption  but then again so are  soo many small cities of today also because we living in hard financial times where even drugs are tolerated  by the police to a degree . .

  yes  it is bad to live in big cities  for it seems u have to  keep working  2 incomes around the clock just to survive and put food  on the table  pay your taxes and  insurance , crimeny  if u  find some place I can live outssside the big cities where  it not freezing cold and i can work and earn a decent living   for sure let me in on the news ok?

Thanks for the welcome Uncle Murray. I was really missing you guys. I am still holding on not thinking to let go. We need to pray each other up though.

Now to the subject, firstly no satellites can pick up or spy on God's people if He does not allow it.

Uncle while a good lifestyle is acceptable and important we must still be careful about this statement, "... work and earn a decent living" We must ensure that we do not attach ourselves or reside comfortably to this so called decent living like Mrs. Lot who could not separate the glamour from your soul. Decent in the sight of man but not in the sight of God. Christ lived a humble, peasant, and simple life by choice.

Guess we should start learning to bounce it tough from now so as to get acclimatized with the toughness. God will take care, let us asked Him to strengthen our faith. While I write I cringe because I do not want be be a cast away after I have preached to others. What do you say uncle.

 

Great stuff,i know the Lord is capable of everything anywhere in this universe,what we need is His grace and mercy after all we are just humans and we need His mighty wings to cover us from the snares of the evil one .....

Redva

 

Welcome back. 

 

No, not every Adventist needs to move out of the cities.  For far too many have become so much like the world that making the change regarding the day of worship on the seventh-day to the first is just one more step on the road they have chosen. 

However, those who are following Jesus, who are listening to His instructions and are doing as He did, i.e. doing nothing on His own initiative, only doing what GOd tells us to do, will and must leave the cities, but when He leads them to do so, not on their own.

 

This prophecy in Mattew 24 is a "dual" prophecy.  Not as many think, but Jesus is telling about two different events.  He blends His prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem with the events at the end of the world.  The first part of the prophecy has already been fulfilled in 70 a.d., while the second half is still to be fulfilled.

 

When the followers of Jesus, in response to this prophecy, saw the Roman armies that had surrounded the city, suddenly withdrawn they exited the city with the zealotes who were chasing the Roman army.  When the army was clear of the city, the gates were closed and no one else was allowed out.  However, all of God's people had left and not one died when the Roman armies turned and destroyed the Jewish army as well as Jerusalem.  See DA 630.3 and GC 30.2

 

However, just as the retreat of the Roman armies was a sign to the people of God in Jerusalem, so too will the national sunday law be a sign to God's people at the end of time.  See The Desire of Ages, chapter 69 and GC about page 25 onward.  GC 626 (1911) and  LDE 138.1

Most of the people of God will leave the cities at that point, but some will not.  However, when the death decree is issues, all must get out.  Some will only get out with angelic protection.  So there will be a little time after the national decree to keep Sunday and the death decree, during which, those who believe God's warning will find saftey in the solitude of the wilderness.  There, God will feed them as He did Elijah.

"The Lord has shown me repeatedly that it is contrary to the Bible to make any provision for our temporal wants in the time of trouble. I saw that if the saints had food laid up by them or in the field in the time of trouble, when sword, famine, and pestilence are in the land, it would be taken from them by violent hands and strangers would reap their fields. Then will be the time for us to trust wholly in God, and He will sustain us. I saw that our bread and water will be sure at that time, and that we shall not lack or suffer hunger; for God is able to spread a table for us in the wilderness. If necessary He would send ravens to feed us, as He did to feed Elijah, or rain manna from heaven, as He did for the Israelites. {CCh 281.4}
"Houses and lands will be of no use to the saints in the time of trouble, for they will then have to flee before infuriated mobs, and at that time their possessions cannot be disposed of to advance the cause of present truth. I was shown that it is the will of God that the saints should cut loose from every encumbrance before the time of trouble comes, and make a covenant with God through sacrifice. If they have their property on the altar and earnestly inquire of God for duty, He will teach them when to dispose of these things. Then they will be free in the time of trouble and have no clogs to weigh them down. 518 {CCh 281.5} 
                          God Will Provide

     "The Lord has shown me repeatedly that it is contrary to the Bible to make any provision for our temporal wants in the time of trouble. I saw that if the saints had food laid up by them or in the field in the time of trouble, when sword, famine, and pestilence are in the land, it would be taken from them by violent hands, and strangers would reap their fields.  {LDE 264.3} 
     "Then will be the time for us to trust wholly in God, and He will sustain us. I saw that our bread and water will be sure at that time, and that we shall not lack or suffer hunger, for God is able to spread a table for us in the wilderness. If necessary He would send ravens to feed us, as He did to feed Elijah, or rain manna from heaven, as He did for the Israelites.--EW 56 (1851).  {LDE 264.4}  
     "I saw that a time of trouble was before us, when stern necessity will compel the people of God to live on bread and water. . . . In the time of trouble none will labor with their hands. Their sufferings will be mental, and God will provide food for them.--Ms 2, 1858.  {LDE 265.1} 
     "The time of trouble is just before us, and then stern necessity will require the people of God to deny self and to eat merely enough to sustain life, but God will prepare us for that time. In that fearful hour our necessity will be God's opportunity to impart His strengthening power and to sustain His people.--1T 206 (1859).  {LDE 265.2}  
     "Bread and water is all that is promised to the remnant in the time of trouble.--SR 129 (1870).  {LDE 265.3}  
    "In the time of trouble, just before the coming of Christ, the righteous will be preserved through the ministration of heavenly angels.--PP 256 (1890).  {LDE 265.4}
 

Now is the time to submit to Gods revealed will, so we can know how to trust Him in that final day.

 

Maranatha :)
Ray

 

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