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Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who did bless us in every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ 4 according as He did choose us in him before the foundation of the world, for our being holy and unblemished before Him, in love
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Perhaps somebody might explain how Jesus knew those saved before the foundation of the world? Weird ....if your inside matter and space and time, life is controlled by free will directions....but if your outside matter time and space, then all things are known by does this say about how big God really is ?

He knew once matter time and space was created with free will inside that world, that that mind would GOD also foreknew a plan to uphold His own laws of love, that exist outside matter, time and space.

My question is, does moral laws of love, exist outside time, space and matter? and if it does then GOD knew once He created Creation, that Creation would rebel against Him.... did He plan it that way on purpose ? No, but given sufficient time a created mind achieves this. Imagine GOD sitting down in His family discussing when they should create Creations of universes...knowing the pain and joy they would bring to GOD...

As parents we bring children into the world with pain and joy...would we do it differently f we were allowed to? I am tempted to think I might, but I do not see all things as God does.... He knows those who are His from the beginning...

He is outside time and matter and space, we are not.  What an awesome GOD we serve to come into time and space and matter with us, to be at our level and redeem us from time and matter and space....truly amazing when we consider His love slain from the foundation of the world....showing us His love...



A great post thank you I will try to answer your Question:

Perhaps somebody might explain how Jesus knew those saved before the foundation of the world

As you say from inside time it would not be possible for Jesus to understand this. So the only explanation I can see is that the Holy Spirit reveal it to him as he was reading Gods word. Perhaps from here:  

Psa 90:1 A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psa 90:3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Psa 90:5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
Psa 90:6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
Psa 90:7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
Psa 90:8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
Psa 90:9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
Psa 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Psa 90:11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
Psa 90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Psa 90:13 Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
Psa 90:14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
Psa 90:15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
Psa 90:16 Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
Psa 90:17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.


Or this one

Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
Psa 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
Psa 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
Psa 102:28 The children of thy servants shall continue, and their seed shall be established before thee.

Or this one

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Thanks Lazarus, great post of very good texts....

Happy Sabbath


Love forms into matter, Matter forms into existance, and Time forms into Eternity, quote provided by AIG Church

simple to understand {smiles}

I ask to ponder of this, its his command, Jesus must have been in counsel of the legions ten thousand of ten thousand, the resurrection to be honor of the sacrifice of himself, Holy Ghost was bound to resurrect Jesus Christ at the tomb, because he atoned for our transgressions. It was a mighty risk if Lucifer had a higher sacrifice...Jesus Christ surely laid upon a contractual prayer upon the Garden, its prayer that really saved us all...Its my thought that yes, these words of the bible does give comforting peace, eternal living does live on like as we ponder on memories...Thank You my Amighty Lord...its you we smile upon you and you smile upon us.   DavidJSeibuhr


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