Does anyone have any Biblical quotes or from the spirit of prophesy regarding this? Please share.
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Good question Zowi.
At one time Jesus said to His disciples, "...he that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." (Luke 22:36)
Some people have said that Jesus was instructing His people (in Luke 22:36) to buy weapons. But to me this is a dangerous misunderstanding.
In Luke 22, Jesus asked His disciples, "When I sent you out without purse, pack and shoes, did you lack anything? And they answered, "We lacked nothing." The disciples went out in faith, and they were secure. But soon, things were going to be very different. The Shepherd was to be smitten, and the flock would scatter. While their reliance was on God the disciples were safe, and they needed no weapons. But soon they would be shaken, and their reliance was [for a time] going to be purely human. The would feel that they needed to take measures for their own security, and part of this was going to be seen in their arming themselves.
What a sad change! Initially they could go out without money, without shoes, and certainly without weapons. For a time their faith in God was destroyed, and during that time, their reliance was on themselves.
I believe that the lesson still applies for us today.
It is somewhat sad that people quote Luke 22:36 without continuing on to verse 37 at least.
In verse 36 He gives the instruction, "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
and in verse 37 He gives the reason for this instruction, "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end."
The Romans had no interest in whether Jesus claimed to be the Messiah or not. They were only interested if Jesus and His followers posed a threat to the Empire. Being a spiritual leader was no real threat to the Romans but being an insurrectionist was. Leading the people to oppose Rome or the Empire was a very different matter. By being in possession of even one sword Christ's "organisation" had crossed the line. If you are carrying weapons you are an insurrectionist, terrorist if you will, and so the prophecy is fulfilled and He is numbered as one of the transgressors.
It is notable that there was no intent to use the weapon and when it was used Jesus immediatly ordered that it be sheathed and He healed the injured man. This tells us all we need to know on Jesus' views on using weapons.
should SDAs have cutlasses, or knives etc? Do guns kill people ? is a gun a bad thing in itself? ponder on these questions. nonetheless
Great point JohnB
something to add, we should remember Jesus disciples were very slow to learn, by asking them to purchase a sword could be understood in different ways: a sword is used for the word of God (Ephesians 6:17)
He told them please, enough of this nonsense, don't you understand, when will you understand any of my teachings or parables ?
before this, Jesus had used this type of language in many instances
How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees." 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
In the following example he used the day-year principle
He replied, "Go tell that fox, 'I will drive out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.' 33 In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day — for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
he preach for 3 and a half years
I believe this refers to a spiritual weapon,Stewart. Good point. It seems to indicate that we,as God's people must trust God. What a debateable subject this is today. Thanks for your comment.
Sorry, I have been gone so long. At any rate, I see no prohibition against firearm ownership. There is no mention in scripture that we should be pacifists. That is a fiction created within the denomiation. Because of that fiction, it took forever in New Mexico for my father to advance in the church because he was a member of the Military. I have been in Law Enforcement for 15 years. It is a a foregone conclusion that we have no issue with the possession of firearms. One apsect that I find refreshing about living in Texas is that members of the Armed Forces are honored and not maligned as they are by fellow Adventists in other states. Having spent a portion of my life and my Law Enforcement Career in New Mexico, when I moved to Texas the culture was completely different. In fact, when I went to a camp meeting and found "The Policeman's Bible" at the ABC bookstore there, it brought tears to my eyes. For fellow Adventists tend to heap insults and treat as second class citizens those of us who put our lives on the line for others and dare to carry a firearm or own them is a sin, for which there is no basis in scripture whatsoever.
The other aspect I enjoy about Texas Adventists, they fish, they hunt, and they are far more pragmatic.
We have been told for many years to leave the cities in terms of residency. The concern you just voiced is just one of many reasons why. We have not been counseled to buy guns but to leave the cities and find places in the country where we can grow our own food.
And you assume there aren't meth labs, child predators, other sex offenders, rampant DWI's offenders living in small rural towns? If you think that they don't you would be wrong. Do yourself a favor in your small town, I did. Looking up all the sex offenders in the area, you will be surprised. I was.
Living away from large cities is no guarantee against crime and horrible things happening.
I do recall a mention from the Great Controversy of Adventists being hunted out of small villages. Considering the size of the population when it was written, I suspect your false sense of security, is just that.
I agree with you, We need to find a place or country so that we can grow our own food for the time of trouble coming soon. In my Island's the land belong to the people, and not to the Governments. We plant food there, going fishing, mangoes trees are all over the place and coconut, pawpaw, bananas its all for free to eat.
If I'm a millionaire, I will fulfilled my dreams to prepare a place for us on my parent's lands. Heaps of Lands over their, some of Adventist people got a land as well.
You know a few Adventist are still sleeping! We been study and teach over and over again? but no Action? Right now the Pope want all religion and non religion to united together.
Catholic Pope and Orthodox Pope of Egypt are united or together.
So! where are we right now Adventist?
Jesus said long time ago: Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to dead, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH AND WILL BETRAY AND HATE EACH OTHER. and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had know at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. SO YOU ALSO MUST BE READY, BECAUSE THE SON OF MAN WILL COME AT AN HOUR WHEN YOU DO NOT EXPECT HIM.
Jesus said: Heaven and Earth will pass away, but my WORDS will never pass away. Mathew:24,33 (N.I.V)
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day your Lord will come
Where is this Island, Ngataariki?
The question still remains, Zithro: "What is the purpose of owning a gun" as a Seventh Day Adventist,that is?