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The Health Message is apart of the 3 Angels Messages. It is the "right arm" of the 3 Angels Message, which is the Everlasting Gospel. The Health Message is particularly connected to the 1st Angels Message, which tells us to "GIVE GLORY TO GOD". We give glory to God by reflecting His character and following His ways.

 

*Revelation 14:6,7---"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

 

...We give "GLORY TO GOD" by reflecting His character and following His ways. We also give "GLORY TO GOD" in how we look, dress, eat, and drink. 1 Corinthians 10:31 makes this more clear.

 

*1 Corinthians 10:31---"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."

 

...This is how the Health Message is connected to the 3 Angels Message, through the announcement of the 1st Angel, which is to GIVE GOD GLORY. We give God glory in ALL that we do, including "eating & drinking". This is why God gave His last day church the HEALTH MESSAGE. We are told that meat eating should be done away with and that we (SDA's) should NOT eat cheese or other dairy products. Most of us agree on meat-eating. But many of us have not seen the light on eating dairy products (cheese, eggs, milk, butter, cream).

 

The SOP says,

 

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  • Pure Vegetarianism/Veganism

1868 "Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach." 2T 68

1883 "All the elements of nutrition are contained in the fruits, vegetables, and grains." HL 96

1889 "Years ago I had a testimony of reproof for the managers in our campmeetings bringing upon the ground and selling to our people cheese and other hurtful things." CD 329

1890 "The effect of cheese is deleterious." CH 114

1896 "The simple grains, fruits of the trees, and vegetables have all the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood." HL 98

1898 "In a short time the milk of the cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment-keeping people in a short time it will not be safe to use anything that comes from the animal creation." CD 411

1899 "The light given me is that it will not be very long before we shall have to give up using any animal food. Even milk will have to be discarded." CD 384

1901 "The time may come when it will not be safe to use milk.... The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs.... The time will come when milk cannot be used as freely as it is now used.... But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this.... We see that cattle are becoming greatly diseased, the earth itself is corrupted, and we know that the time will come when it will not be best to use milk and eggs." CD 357-9

1902 "Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men." 7T135

1903 "Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce of flesh meat should enter our stomachs." CD 380

1905 "Cheese is... objectionable; it is wholly unfit for food." MH 302

1905 "Grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator.... The grains, with fruits, nuts, and vegetables, contain ALL the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood.... The diet reform should be progressive. As disease in animals increases, the use of milk and eggs will become more and more unsafe... The people everywhere should be taught how to cook without milk and eggs, so far as possible, and yet have their food wholesome and palatable." MH 296, 316, 320-1

1906 "In grains, fruits, vegetables, and nuts are to be found ALL the food elements that we need." CDF 92, 310, 313

1909 "The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs..." 9T162


 

"Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when, because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state{CD 460.5}"

 

 

 

...The last few words in the Counsels of Diet and Foods appendix, are those of James White regarding the counsels on health given to his wife: "...all changes in diet should be made carefully, one at a time. And while she [his wife, Ellen White] would say this to those who are in danger of making changes too rapidly, she would also say to the tardy, Be sure and not forget to change."

*Scripture says that you are to “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).

It is my hope and prayer that you will do just that.

 

QUESTION: Should SDA's Eat/Drink Dairy Products (Cheese, Eggs, Milk, Butter, Cream)???

ANSWER: NO!

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Vincent, the Health Message is more important than just keeping us from getting sick. It is also one of God's tools to give us "Victory Over Sin". 99% of SDA's do not realize that we must have victory over sin BEFORE the passing of the NSL (Sunday Law Test). Therefore, diet becomes very important in the sanctification process. And we are told what kind of diet will help us overcome sin. Read this statement very carefully, especially the last sentence.

 

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"Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when, because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state{CD 460.5}"

 

...So here we see that the VEGAN diet is the diet that should be used by God's people to help us "regain that sinless state" that Adam & Eve had before the fall, when they were perfect in Christ. I pray for myself and all of God's people that we will heed the instruction quickly. We need to let go of the dairy products (cheese, eggs, milk, butter, cream, etc.). She says that this is "Bible instruction". This IS a salvation issue.

"Vincent, the Health Message is more important than just keeping us from getting sick. It is also one of God's tools to give us "Victory Over Sin". 99% of SDA's do not realize that we must have victory over sin BEFORE the passing of the NSL (Sunday Law Test). Therefore, diet becomes very important in the sanctification process. And we are told what kind of diet will help us overcome sin. Read this statement very carefully, especially the last sentence."

Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

The Health Message IS a salvation issue.

Because it is one of God's requirements for His end-time people and it is connected to the Everlasting Gospel. It is apart of the salvation process. It is the right arm of the 3 Angels Message. It is also a test of obedience, just like it was a "test" for Daniel and the 3 Hebrew boys in Babylon. We are told that story was an example for the last day church.

Yes sir! It is a mixture of both. It IS definitely a requirement. Yet it is a requirement that we must perform out of love.

 

I MUST obey Christ because I LOVE Him.

 

Love is the underlying factor in OBEDIENCE. Jn 14:15

You are 100% wrong that "This IS a salvation issue.". There will be people in heaven who died while choking on their steak!

 

Please start posting about the plan of salvation and our Savior. This other stuff is secondary.

"This other stuff" is the Health Message that was given to this church (the SDA Church) by the Holy Spirit, through the spirit of prophecy. Please do not trifle with God's instructions for us in these last days.

 

Yes, there will be meat eaters in heaven, but not those that are Adventists who have had the light of the health message shining upon them but they disregarded it. To disregard a requirement of God is disobedience. Disobedience will NOT enter heaven.

 

We are told in the SOP,

 

"God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to His original design--that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord meat eating will eventually be done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view and endeavor to work steadily toward it.--{CH 450} (1890)."

 

"Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them.--{RH May 27, 1902.}"

 

...Those that do not heed this instruction from the Lord will be "shaken out". They will be lost. The light has been given to those of us who know (or should know) the truth. That is none other than SDA's. This is a "thus sayeth the Lord".

I'm not trifling with God's instruction.  You are just going down the wrong path.  You have the cart firmly in front of the horse.  Preach the GOOD NEWS.  It will keep you from looking like a prickly control freak.  And strangely enough, health reform follows all those who delve into knowing Him as much as they can.

 

Get the horse back in front of the cart.  Preach Christ and Him crucified.

 

PS.  I'm not defending pet behavior - I'm a natural food fanatic & vegan and agree firmly with that diet for a host of reasons.  But I am disputing the fact that you insist that this is a point of salvation.  It is not.

If it is instruction from the Lord, then IT IS MOST DEFINITELY a point of salvation.

Is obedience a point of salvation???

I hope that since this is an Adventist social-networking site that we would have all come to believe in Jesus and His Word. I hope that we are all Christians on this site. I am NOT putting the cart before the horse. Jesus should be forefront in ALL of our lives. But now is time to tell others that once they have Jesus, their lifestyle must change.

"Come out of Babylon"! This means to come out of the world and its false teachings, false customs, false theories, false philosophies, false ways, false diets, and false religions!

 

This IS a message of Jesus!

Its not right Biblical Hermeneutics,..... msleading

What I will eat in heaven is not available on this earth.  So what's your point?

 

That does not change the fact that this is NOT a point of salvation as legalists insist.

 

Your suggestion of the sinless character I will have to attain by works suggests that you don't understand the plan of Salvation or Christs' robe of righteousness.

Amen!!! It is time to take a bold and un-yielding stand for the truth!

 

SOP says,

 

"The Lord has given us the work of proclaiming the message of health reform, and if you cannot step forward in the ranks of those who are giving this message, you are not to make this prominent. In counterworking the efforts of your fellow laborers who are teaching health reform, you are out of order, working on the wrong side.--Letter 48, 1902.  {MM 280.1}

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