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The Health Message is apart of the 3 Angels Messages. It is the "right arm" of the 3 Angels Message, which is the Everlasting Gospel. The Health Message is particularly connected to the 1st Angels Message, which tells us to "GIVE GLORY TO GOD". We give glory to God by reflecting His character and following His ways.

 

*Revelation 14:6,7---"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

 

...We give "GLORY TO GOD" by reflecting His character and following His ways. We also give "GLORY TO GOD" in how we look, dress, eat, and drink. 1 Corinthians 10:31 makes this more clear.

 

*1 Corinthians 10:31---"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."

 

...This is how the Health Message is connected to the 3 Angels Message, through the announcement of the 1st Angel, which is to GIVE GOD GLORY. We give God glory in ALL that we do, including "eating & drinking". This is why God gave His last day church the HEALTH MESSAGE. We are told that meat eating should be done away with and that we (SDA's) should NOT eat cheese or other dairy products. Most of us agree on meat-eating. But many of us have not seen the light on eating dairy products (cheese, eggs, milk, butter, cream).

 

The SOP says,

 

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  • Pure Vegetarianism/Veganism

1868 "Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach." 2T 68

1883 "All the elements of nutrition are contained in the fruits, vegetables, and grains." HL 96

1889 "Years ago I had a testimony of reproof for the managers in our campmeetings bringing upon the ground and selling to our people cheese and other hurtful things." CD 329

1890 "The effect of cheese is deleterious." CH 114

1896 "The simple grains, fruits of the trees, and vegetables have all the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood." HL 98

1898 "In a short time the milk of the cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment-keeping people in a short time it will not be safe to use anything that comes from the animal creation." CD 411

1899 "The light given me is that it will not be very long before we shall have to give up using any animal food. Even milk will have to be discarded." CD 384

1901 "The time may come when it will not be safe to use milk.... The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs.... The time will come when milk cannot be used as freely as it is now used.... But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this.... We see that cattle are becoming greatly diseased, the earth itself is corrupted, and we know that the time will come when it will not be best to use milk and eggs." CD 357-9

1902 "Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men." 7T135

1903 "Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce of flesh meat should enter our stomachs." CD 380

1905 "Cheese is... objectionable; it is wholly unfit for food." MH 302

1905 "Grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator.... The grains, with fruits, nuts, and vegetables, contain ALL the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood.... The diet reform should be progressive. As disease in animals increases, the use of milk and eggs will become more and more unsafe... The people everywhere should be taught how to cook without milk and eggs, so far as possible, and yet have their food wholesome and palatable." MH 296, 316, 320-1

1906 "In grains, fruits, vegetables, and nuts are to be found ALL the food elements that we need." CDF 92, 310, 313

1909 "The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs..." 9T162


 

"Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when, because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state{CD 460.5}"

 

 

 

...The last few words in the Counsels of Diet and Foods appendix, are those of James White regarding the counsels on health given to his wife: "...all changes in diet should be made carefully, one at a time. And while she [his wife, Ellen White] would say this to those who are in danger of making changes too rapidly, she would also say to the tardy, Be sure and not forget to change."

*Scripture says that you are to “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).

It is my hope and prayer that you will do just that.

 

QUESTION: Should SDA's Eat/Drink Dairy Products (Cheese, Eggs, Milk, Butter, Cream)???

ANSWER: NO!

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Obviously many have not read, or believed or understood what Jesus, Paul and even God commanded about salvation, and about food.

After the flood man was told by God he could eat meat of the clean animals.

The Priests under the Law ate of the offerings including meat because they had no inheritance in the land.

Obviously those professing food as a salvation issue fall in line with those foolish Galations. You are a debtor to do the whole law, all 613 of them if you insist.

Other than those things offered unto idols, or eating human flesh or drinking human blood or any blood for that matter and eating strangled animals, these are what is restricted as far as Gentiles are concerned.

Acts chapter 15

"1And certain men which came down from Judæa taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.  2When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.  3And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.  4And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.  5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command themto keep the law of Moses.

 6¶ And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.  7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.  8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he didunto us;  9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.  10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?  11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

 12¶ Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

 13¶ And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:  14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.  15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,  16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:  17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.  18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.  19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:  20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and fromthings strangled, and from blood.  21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.  22Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:  23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:  24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:  25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,  26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.  27We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.  28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;  29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.  30So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:  31Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.  32And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.  33And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.  34Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.  35Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also."

Paul also admonished not to let any man judge you in eating or drinking, new moons and sabbath(s).  If you want to do the whole 613 commandments in the law, that is your walk and business, but dare you judge others, contrary to the clear revelation given in the church epistles (Romans through Thessalonians). Then you are falsely judging and teaching bondage such as the Galations were under.

Obviously, you do not understand the rightly divided Word of God as regarding eating and drinking, and judging others. You should eat what you want but keep your mouth shut as regards other's walks. You have enough to learn about the basic walk with God it appears, in that you can't even follow the written instructions of doctrine, reproof and correction given TO THE CHURCH OF GOD BY THE APOSTLE PAUL.


WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT STATE THAT JESUS DID NOT EAT MEATS, CHEESE, MILK OR BUTTER? I would much rather believe and follow the Apostle Paul as he followed Christ, then follow your bondage. It is a disgrace, and a slap in the face to what Christ accomplished for us and an attack upon the liberty that is in Christ Jesus. False doctrines which lead to bondage. 

You obviously have not read or believed Romans 10:9 and 10

9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.  10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Do you think Jesus ate Pork?

We're in the last days James, animals are diseased cause of the wickedness of man, even the fish are diseased, so it's not the same fish Jesus ate.  So that's why we should be in a plant based diet.  There are more people in the world in a plant based diet than Adventists, so we should stop making excuses to continue with our perverted appetite.

 

Hosea 4:1-3 King James Version (KJV)

Hear the word of the Lord, ye children of Israel: for the Lord hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.

Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

The problem with this idea of eating meat is that nobody follows the Biblical injunction not to eat blood - the blood is eaten in the meat. If you seethe the meat and boil all the blood out until the meat is a grey jelly-like substance then fair enough, you are following the Biblical principle. But nobody does. They eat the blood with the meat and then think that it is allowed - even those who quote the Biblical injunction not to eat blood.

The world is fast overtaking so-called Christianity. Climate-change activists have realised that the biggest source of greenhouse gases is from animals reared to satisfy the appetites of meat-eaters and are promoting a healthier, meat-free diet. Now it is satan who promotes healthy living whilst professed Christians go to an early grave because of their diet.

Eat meat if you want but don't fool yourself into thinking that you are allowed to eat the blood with the meat and don't claim to quote scripture to justify it when you only follow one part of scripture and ignore the other.

I did not mention pork. Why don't you address what I stated instead of what I did not state? That is a red herring as they say. This is typical of your responses which shows your ineptitude in both proper discussions as well as lack of spiritual understanding of the Bible. Your knee-jerk reaction is typical of a carnally-minded Christian, attacking what you do not understand and most likely will never understand.

Of course, Jesus did not eat pork, as he had to fulfill the law so as to be the perfect sacrifice, the unblemished lamb of God.

I was just wondering because you say you are free to do anything you like including keeping Sunday. 

What I will eat in heaven is not available on this earth.  So what's your point?

 

That does not change the fact that this is NOT a point of salvation as legalists insist.

 

Your suggestion of the sinless character I will have to attain by works suggests that you don't understand the plan of Salvation or Christs' robe of righteousness.

Amen!!! It is time to take a bold and un-yielding stand for the truth!

 

SOP says,

 

"The Lord has given us the work of proclaiming the message of health reform, and if you cannot step forward in the ranks of those who are giving this message, you are not to make this prominent. In counterworking the efforts of your fellow laborers who are teaching health reform, you are out of order, working on the wrong side.--Letter 48, 1902.  {MM 280.1}

DMJ,

Are you purposefully being thick? I have never once gone against the promotion of the health message nor said it was of no benefit. If you actually read what I have written you would see that I am a natural food eating vegan.

 

I have quite clearly spoken against the falsehood that you are suggesting that we MUST follow any prescribed diet to be saved. That is false.  This is NOT a point of salvation.

 

So quit distracting folks with quotes that don't apply. Give us quotes that show we can't be saved unless we follow your pet diet. That is what you are suggesting when you say this is a point of Salvation.

 

This is NOT a point of salvation. Neither is all the other legalistic bull you write in other threads about rings, etc. None of these are points of salvation and you have not been able to show that they are.

Praise the Lord! I am glad that you follow the health message and yes I did read that in your previous post.

 

However, we must take the Health Message to others who do not know about it or who do not practice it. The Health Message is the RIGHT ARM OF THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. Therefore it IS apart of the gospel.

 

Sir, it is not my pet diet, but it IS God's pet diet because He authorized this diet and gave it to us. You are not going against me, you are going against God.

 

I have proven to you over & over again on what the Holy Spirit has to say through the writings of the spirit of prophecy that this issue is a salvation issue. Meat-eating MUST be done away with by God's people in order for US to be saved.

 

SOP says,

 

"Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them.--{RH May 27, 1902.}"

 

...This previous statement sounds like a salvation issue to me! "Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them"!!! How much more simpler can it get??? Those that are still eating meat and not following the counsel of the Health Message WILL BE SHAKEN OUT!!! THEY WILL BE LOST!!! This is most definitely A SALVATION ISSUE!!!

Mark,

You are trying to clarify MY position for others? That's rich. My position is clear. This is NOT a point of salvation.  Your "clarification" of my position is a either a complete misrepresentation or it does not apply to what I have said. It's against the rules to do that.

 

And yes, if you think that all people have to follow a specific diet to be saved, I would call you a legalist.  What's your definition?  I would again suggest you don't understand Christ as sinners Savior nor His robe of righteousness.

  "Has God, in showing mercy to the sinner, ceased to be just? Has He dishonored His holy law, and will He henceforth pass over the violation of it? God is true. He changes not. The conditions of salvation are ever the same. Life, eternal life, is for all who will obey God's law. Perfect obedience, revealed in thought, word, and deed, is as essential now as when the lawyer asked Christ, "What shall I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? how readest thou? . . . . this do, and thou shalt live" (Luke 10:25-28). Under the new covenant the conditions by which eternal life may be gained are the same as under the old--perfect obedience. {TMK 300}" 

 

 

"Let no one take up with the delusion so pleasant to the natural heart, that God will accept of sincerity, no matter what may be the faith, no matter how imperfect may be the life. God requires of His child perfect obedience. {1SM 373.1}"

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