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Permalink Reply by James French on August 24, 2019 at 4:13am

Thank you Freedom In Him. One of the misunderstood things is that God’s character does not change, but He can and has changed the rules as there are different administrations (stewardship of a household; Greek oikonomia; God’s household.

The old covenant was written to the Jews, Jesus was called to the lost sheep of The House of Israel and he told his disciples not to go to the Gentiles. The 7 church epistles are written to the body of Christ directly. We are under a greater law, the law of love, to love with the love of God. It takes time to read the church epistles of Romans through Thessalonians, and see the difference and changes from the old covenant to the Age of Grace, which is the new covenant. 

See Chapter 15 of Acts for what was required of newly converted gentiles. Paul gives guidelines about holy days, eating and drinking, and how one man esteems one day while another man does not esteem, but they both do so to the Lord for conscience sake. The Hebrews and God never distinguished the ten commandments from the law, nor ceremonial law separate from so called moral law. The law is 613 commandments including the ten commandments. The obligation under law is all 613 commandments.

I have referred to the commandment of the sacred secrets as stated in Romans chapter 16: 25 et. seq.

No one talks about these commandments Paul refers to?

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Permalink Reply by Freedom In Him on August 24, 2019 at 4:47am

Well we differ in our beliefs regarding the 613 laws. We have Moses Law which contained the ceremonial laws and at the cross the law contained in ordinances..Moses Law...was nailed to the cross...The Ten Commandments were given seperately and were permanent. The ceremonies and feasts all pointed to Jesus coming..so they were no longer needed.

So this is what you are referring to as the "commandment of the sacred secrets"?  ....."25Now to Him who is able to strengthen you by mygospel and by the proclamation of Jesus Christ,according to the revelation of the mystery concealedfor ages past, 26but now revealed and made known through the writings of the prophets by the command of the eternal God, in order to lead all nations to the obedience that comes from faith—… I went and looked up some commentaries which I found quite interesting  and I thought I would post it here . ..

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete...

Time for me to hit the hay. God Bless.

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Permalink Reply by James French on August 24, 2019 at 6:54pm

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Bible Study Guide by John Schoenheit, pages 51-53. I like a lot of Schoenheit's research and he is doing a tremendous job on The Revised English Version which is free online along with REV commentaries. I agree with the principles below, but disagree about the placement of the return of Christ before the Great Tribulation at the end of Grace Administration. You probably know that there are numerous positions about the return of Christ. Of special note, see below page 53 footnote 17 (go to bottom of last page pasted here.

BIBLE STUDY GUIDE:

G. PAYING ATTENTION TO THE ADMINISTRATIONS

One of the great truths of Scripture is that throughout history, God has righteously and resourcefully responded to man’s obedience and disobedience by changing the rules by which He wants men to live. Examples of God changing the rules abound, and the period of time governed by a given set of rules is referred to as an “administration,” or “dispensation.” Many theologians recognize the administrations in the Bible, and the theology of Dispensationalism became well known to the average preacher in America after the Scofield Study Bible was published in 1909, which contained many study notes on the administrations (which Scofield referred to as “dispensations,” as does the KJV).

We recognize eight administrations in the history of mankind: four of them are in the past, we live in the fifth administration (the Administration of Grace), and three are still future. The eight Administrations are

1. 1)  Original Paradise;

2. 2)  Conscience;

3. 3)  Civil Government;

4. 4)  Law;

5. 5)  Grace;

6. 6)  Tribulation;

7. 7)  Paradise;

8. 8)  Everlasting Kingdom.

Unfortunately, many Christians are taught to believe and live by “the whole Bible,” which sounds good, and does not seem to present a problem to those who do not read it or think much about it. Those Christians have not been taught to carefully discern what applies to them and what does not, other than having a nebulous concept that there are things in the Old Testament that do not apply to us. However, if one does not understand the administrations in the Bible, it becomes full of apparent contradictions, because the rules God gave people to live by differ through time. The following are some examples of God’s rules changing through time:

Example: Food regulations. In the Garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve to eat only plants (Gen. 1:29). After the Flood, God changed the rules and allowed man to also eat meat (Gen. 9:3). When the Law Administration started, there were more and more clearly defined rules about eating. For example, eating pork or shellfish broke the Law and therefore was a sin (Lev. 11:4- 12). In the Grace Administration, God again changed the rules, and eating pork or shellfish is not a sin (which is not to say it is necessarily healthy).

Example: Sabbath regulations. Before the Law Administration, which started when God gave the Law to Moses, there was no specific regulation concerning the Sabbath. But when God gave the Law to Moses, He stipulated that anyone who worked on the Sabbath should be put to death (Exod. 31:14), and Moses executed a man for working on the Sabbath (Num. 15:32-36). Today,

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in the Administration of Grace, God has changed the rules again and it is not a sin to work on the Sabbath (Rom. 14:5; Col. 2:16 and 17). Of course, it is still a good idea to take a day of rest.

Example: Marriage regulations. Before the Mosaic Law, people could have more than one wife, and they could also marry close relatives, just as Abraham married his half-sister, Sarah (Gen. 20:12). When God gave the Law, He forbade marrying a half-sister (Lev. 18:9), but He still allowed a man to have more than one wife (Ex 21:10). In the Administration of Grace to which we belong today, God changed the rules again, and now allows a man to have only one wife, and a woman only one husband (1 Cor. 7:2). Another marriage regulation that has changed is that under the Mosaic Law, if a married man died childless, his widow had to marry his brother and have children by him (Deut. 25:5-10), but now that rule no longer applies, and if a Christian woman’s husband dies, she can marry whoever she wants, as long as the person is a Christian (1 Cor. 7:39).

Example: Sacrificial regulations. It would be too much for this short study to detail all the sacrificial regulations and how they have changed, but a general overview is helpful. In the Original Paradise, Adam and Eve had no sin, so there was no need for any sacrifices. After the Fall, in the Administration of Conscience, there were sacrifices and regulations as to how they were to be carried out, as we see from the fact that both Cain and Abel brought sacrifices, and Abel’s was accepted and Cain’s was not. However, the sacrificial system was not covered by a large number of regulations. In the Law Administration, God added and clarified His rules concerning sacrifices, including very specific information as to what, where, when, how, and by whom, the sacrifices were to be done. In the Administration of Grace we have no animal sacrifices because God’s Son was the ultimate sacrifice for sin. Today we offer the “sacrifice of praise” from our lips (Heb. 13:15).

The point of the examples above is to show conclusively that God has indeed changed the rules mankind is to live by, and many more examples could be listed, including circumcision, Temple worship, the priesthood, and the tithe.

Most of the Administrations are not named in the Bible, which is one reason there is so much debate about them among theologians.16 The names that we of STF choose for the unnamed Administrations come from the characteristics of that particular Administration. For example, Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden under a specific set of God’s rules and regulations. That administration is not specifically named in the Bible, but the wonderful circumstances on earth, with no war or sickness, parallel the Millennial Kingdom when Christ will reign on earth for 1000 years and the Devil will be chained in the Abyss (Rev. 20:4-7). Since the Millennial Kingdom is called “Paradise” (Luke 23:43; 2 Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7), it seemed fitting to us to refer to the time in Eden as the “Original Paradise.”

16 In fact, theologians differ as to exactly how many Administrations there are in the Bible. Some theologians seem to start a new administration with every little difference or change of a rule, while others see the administrations in more general terms, and have fewer of them. “Ultradispensationalism” is the dispensational system that puts a new administration after Acts 28, thus creating an administration of the early Church (Acts 2-28). Ultradispensationalism gets rid of the “problem” those theologians have with speaking in tongues, prophecy, healings, and the other manifestations (sometimes wrongly called “gifts”) of holy spirit. Of course, it also puts the epistles of Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, and Thessalonians in the category of letters that are not written “to” the Church. The vast majority of dispensational theologians reject ultradispensationalism.

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After the Fall, there were some regulations given by God, which was why Cain’s sacrifice was not acceptable, but in general mankind governed itself in the way they thought best. Thus, we refer to this as the “Administration of Conscience.” After the Flood, God gave mankind some specific rules for self-governance, so we refer to this administration as the “Administration of Civil Government.” The next administration is called the “Law” because of the Law of Moses, by which it was governed. The Fifth administration, the one we live in today, is referred to by two names in Scripture. It is called “the administration of the Grace of God” (Eph. 3:2) because of the dominance of the grace that God has poured out, and it is called, “the administration of the sacred secret” (Eph. 3:9), because the entire Administration was a secret, hidden in God from the foundation of the world.17 After the Rapture, which ends the Administration of Grace, comes the “Tribulation,” so named because of the tribulation all throughout it and how Jesus referred to it (Matt. 24:21, 29). Then comes the 1,000 years of Paradise (Luke 23:43), and finally the Everlasting Kingdom, so named because it never ends.

Knowing that there are different administrations, exactly when they begin and end, and the rules distinctly associated with each, is indispensable in explaining many of the apparent contradictions in the Bible. It is also indispensable in living righteously and obediently before God. A person who does not understand Administrations can become very confused if he thinks that all of God’s commands should be followed, because, as we have seen, the commandments are different in different administrations. For example, a person could have more than one wife, insist on everyone eating only plants, sacrifice an animal each time he sinned, and execute anyone who worked on Saturday, and support all of these actions with verses from the Bible. We must understand that the question we have to ask is not, “What does the Bible say,” but rather, “What does the Bible say to me?” The conservative theologian Martin Anstey wrote: “In this matter the golden rule is, ‘Distinguish the dispensations and the difficulties will disappear.’”18

17 The subject of the Administrations in the Bible is not well understood, and the Administration of the Sacred Secret is even less understood, so “Administration of the Sacred Secret” is our translation from the Greek text. Some versions have “dispensation” or “administration” of the “mystery,” which is very close, using “mystery” instead of “sacred secret,” which is the proper translation of the Greek word musterion. For a much better understanding of the Administration of the Sacred Secret, see Graeser, Lynn, Schoenheit, The Gift of Holy Spirit: The Power to Be Like Christ (Christian Educational Services, Indianapolis, IN, 2006), Appendix A.

18 Martin Anstey, How to Master the Bible (Pickering & Inglis, London), p. 23.

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Permalink Reply by Freedom In Him on August 24, 2019 at 11:16pm

God made no rule change regarding the Sabbath..God does not change. Unfortunately you have both laws mixed up instead of seperate, in which they were given. One was a permanent Moral law..The Ten Commandments and one was Moses Law. 

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Permalink Reply by James French on August 25, 2019 at 4:40pm

Well we have different viewpoints. Christians can be sincere and disagree. SDA disagree. But there is no place for hatred. I dislike Elijah’s attitude, but I still pray for him. 

I cannot find a record of the Sabbath being followed by man before the Law was given in the scriptures? Lack of understanding the administrations, as God communicated with man in sundry times and diverse manners; God’s character does not change, but He has changed the rules many ways. Paul stated about eating, drinking, holy days, etc. that some men esteem for conscience sake while others do not esteem them, but they both do so unto the Lord.

Paul said in Colossians 2:16; “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath (Sabbaton; Strongs #4521; “of Hebrew origin (); the Sabbath [i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:--sabbath (day), week. 

1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
   1. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
   2. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week“] END OF STRONG’S DEFINITION; daysWhich are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments-of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touchnot; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew†of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.”

Believers can attend, eat, drink etc. what they want by their conscience or not do so because they are not compelled to do so. We have religious freedom thank God, both in conscience and law in this country. God will judge whether someone stands or falls. I will not attack your practice, but when people judge me, I don’t let them.

We are in the falling away period. I believe that all denominations have some truth, but also some error and all have been infiltrated by the wicked. There are believers that are born again in every denomination, but the wicked control at the top.

Believers are meant to walk with God, which also is called walking by the spirit. Most believers do not manifest holy spirit which is by the 9 manifestations of holy spirit, which all believers have the ability to do, but most do not because they don’t believe they have the gift, such word added with no authority in Corinthians 12, 13 and 14. The body of Christ has been hindered tremendously thereby as well as by lack of desire, unbelief, superstition, ignorance, wrong doctrine and lack of mentors and teachers that understand these lost sacred secrets in practice in the first century church.

So I have scriptures, conscience before God and reason why I do what I do or don’t do.

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Permalink Reply by Elijah on August 25, 2019 at 5:46pm

James said he detests me, well James the feeling is mutual you also said:

I cannot find a record of the Sabbath being followed by man before the Law was given in the scriptures?

Not Looking to hard are you? I paste the text here for you to read:

Exo 16:21  So they gathered it every morning, every man according to his need. And when the sun became hot, it melted. 
Exo 16:22  And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 
Exo 16:23  Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.' " 

Exo 16:27  Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 
Exo 16:28  And the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 
Exo 16:29  See! For the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." 
Exo 16:30  So the people rested on the seventh day. 

This is in Chapter 16 the Commandments was not given until Chapter 20. A Simple search in a Concordance would have given you this answer. But you are so set in your ways so you can not accept anything new are you not. 

 

Permalink Reply by Freedom In Him on August 25, 2019 at 7:02pm

The Ten Commandments were always known....sin is the breaking of these commandments. How would they have known how to sin in heaven if there was no law then. The Ten Commandments was followed and observed before given at Mt. Sinai...if you read up prior to that you will find it shows us this.The Sabbath was in at creation...and that was before Mt. Sinai. God has always been worshipped. If the Sabbath and the ten commandments were not to be kept, they would not be mentioned in the NT...and in Revelation...and the Bible would not say that the Sabbath will be kept in heaven as it is kept now. God is very specific about what we are to do. I sometimes think you are paying more attention to other books and sources before what God says in the Bible.. We should not..I am sda by the way...and I understand satans influence over us all...and I know how he leads us away from God's word to other sources written by people who believe way different than the scripture teachings..hence confusion and people following the wrong paths. However, I also believe that those who claim to have studied so much, need the Holy Spirit to direct them back to the Bible and allow Him to let God speak. There is no point berating or battering people about things they believe differently about. We are just to plant seeds. Obviously this is so in this case. Either we believe totally what GOD says and obey..or we believe MAN and his writings before God. I believe the Bible 100 per cent because I know it is 100 percent nspired by God..He chose the people to write things down....not everything could be written as it would have filled more books than could possibly be read.

Permalink Reply by Freedom In Him on August 25, 2019 at 7:10pm

 here is the brief history of the Sabbath using a point by point overview on what truly happened in history in regards to the fourth Commandment. This takes us from creation through to an end time Church that God raised up to restore His Commandments and teach end time Bible prophecy.

• God creates the World, Adam and Eve, marriage and the Sabbath as part of His perfect plan. The word translated “rested” in our English Bibles in Genesis 2:3 is actually “shabbath” in the Hebrew and means Sabbath.
• Satan tempts man and succeeds in bringing sin into the world so now with the fall of man we now need a Saviour.
• Satan continues attacking God's law to keep Christians living in wilful sin as no sacrifice covers wilful sin. (Hebrews 10:26-29) Satan chooses the easiest Commandment to attack being the Sabbath. Since Satan also desired to be worshipped as God (Isaiah 14:12-14), he begins his attack on the fourth Commandment by setting out to institute his own day of worship while also depriving God of worship on His holy day by introducing sun worship around the time of Babel about 2000 B.C. This day was worship of himself through Baal and Sun worship etc and hence is his day and the beginning of Sunday worship. See also how the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
• Babylon is conquered in 539 B.C. by the Medes and Persians but they did not accept the Babylonian priests for long and most went to Pergamum and some to Alexandria where they taught astrology and the making of solar seal amulets with the numbers 1 to 36 and the number 666 on them that represented the sun and sun worship.
• About 133 B.C. the last king of the Attalid Empire (Attalus III) who had his capital at Pergamum died without an heir and bequeathed his kingdom to Rome. Rome accepted the kingdom and set up the province of Asia, which included Ionia and the territory of Pergamum by 129 B.C. When Alexander the Great came, knowledge of astronomy and astrology that the Babylonian priests possessed was also passed on to the Greeks.
• Soon after the Babylonian priests saw their opportunity to go to Rome while others still stayed in Alexandria. The Babylonian priests predicted the Romans would follow their teachings and soon Rome was filled with their religious practices. It became so pervasive that people called Rome the “New Babylon.” Early Christians used the term Babylon as a code word for Rome to avoid persecution from that pagan power. See 1 Peter 5:13.
• When the Christian Church came the Babylonian religion followed into the Church. Some historians said it seemed like Rome converted to Christianity overnight but it was the Babylonian religion that was brought into the Church and the three supreme gods of the Babylonian religion were simply renamed as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Lesser gods became saints of the Church and their pagan Babylonian religious practices came into the Church along with it. This made it easy for the followers of the Babylonian religion to convert to Christianity though not a genuine conversion of course.
• The pagan Babylonian priests had a chief priest titled Pontifex Maximus (translated to Latin meant that he was head pagan priest or literally the Greatest Pontiff.) The title “Pontiff” now belongs to the Pope and history explains where it came from. The king of the Attalid Empire held the title of Pontiff and passed it on to the Babylonian Priests before he died and they went to Rome. This title was given to Julius Caesar in 63 B.C. making him the supreme priest of the Babylonian Religion and its gods. (This shows that the Babylonian priests arrived in Rome before the time of Julius Caesar or this event could not have happened.) The Babylonian religion moved into Rome and took it over becoming head of the Roman government. The title passed from emperor to emperor who all served as chief priest of the Babylonian Religion until 367 A.D. where the Roman Emperor Gratian became the first since Julius Caesar to refuse the title Pontifex Maximus. Before Gratian refused the title Pontifex Maximus, the young Emperor bestowed it upon Pope Damasus I who was the head of the Christian Church in Rome and he became the first Pope in history to hold the title. This made him head of the Babylonian religion when he took the title of Pontifex Maximus and now you can begin to see why God calls the Papal Church Babylon. Some dispute that Church leaders brought Babylonian pagan religious practices into the Catholic Church but Catholic historians even admit it. Cardinal Newman in his Development of Christian Doctrine, pages 372, 373 says that the Church incorporated many pagan religious practices into the Church. He claims that the Church sanctified them and that made it safe to bring these practices into the Church. Every year Catholic Pilgrims kiss the feet of the Roman god Jupiter thinking they are kissing the image of Peter.
• In the meanwhile, throughout the Old Testament Satan tries to destroy the Jews to cut off the seed and prevent the first coming of Christ.
• Satan fails to stop the seed and Jesus is born so Satan through Herod has all the young children killed in an attempt to kill our Lord and Saviour. (Matthew 2:16)
• Satan tempts Jesus and of course fails. (Mark 1:13) If Jesus had sinned He could not be our redeemer. This of course includes the Sabbath. See did Jesus break the Sabbath.
• Jesus conquers sin on the cross and it is finished. (John 19:30) Satan has failed and all he can do is try to kill and deceive as many as possible.
• Satan attempts to wipe out God's Church by persecuting it though Nero. Christians are thrown to the lions and burnt at the stake but martyrdom only makes the Church grow stronger. So all Satan can do now is stop as many people as possible from reaching the kingdom. God's law is still the primary target as it had been from the beginning.
• The Romans initially accepted the Jewish leaders and their traditions but this soon changed. In 70 A.D. the Jewish temple was destroyed by the Roman army and persecution for Judaism was growing fast. By as early as 90-100 A.D. some of the early Church fathers began moving away from anything that “appeared” Jewish to avoid persecution for apparent Judaism. Since many Christians were also worshipping the Sun on Sun-day, some said, “Let's keep Sunday and say it is in honour of the resurrection.” And so began some of the earliest Sabbath keeping on Sunday but significantly only in Rome and Alexandria where sun worship was prevalent. See who moved the Sabbath to Sunday for more detail.
• Satan figures he can inflict more damage from within the Church and so gives His power, seat and authority to an Apostate Church to do his evil. (Revelation 13:2)
• Though now a professed Christian, Constantine was still a devout sun worshipper and planned to unite paganism and Christianity to strengthen his disintegrating empire. He knew pagans worshiped the sun on “the first day of the week,” and that many in Rome and Alexandria had changed to a Sunday Sabbath to avoid persecution. So on March 7, 321 A.D., Constantine passed his national Sunday law in honour of Sun worship. He was actually the first Pope though the Bible supports no such thing.
• Now nearly 300 years after the cross, Sun-day worship in Rome had taken hold and so Christians now begun calling Sunday the Lord's Day instead of Saturday. Note the following historical quote. “In the year 325, Sylvester, Bishop of Rome (AD 314-337), officially changed the title of the first day, calling it the Lord's day.” (Lucium, Historia Ecclesiastica, p. 739)
• As the Papal Church grew in power, it opposed Sabbath observance in favour of Sunday sacredness and outlawed resting on the Sabbath in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 363-364). Canon XXIX: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.”. See also the origin of Babylon and Sun worship and did Constantine change the Sabbath to Sunday and who changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
• While resting on the Sabbath was outlawed in favour of resting on Sunday according to Constantine’s Sunday Law, Cannon law 16 that was also issued by the Bishops in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 363-364) confirms Christians were still worshipping on the Sabbath. Canon XVI: “The Gospels are to be read on the Sabbath [i.e. Saturday], with the other Scriptures.” The fact that the council of Laodicea found it necessary to deal with this issue is evidence that more than 330 years after the cross that there were many who were still observing the Sabbath according to the Commandment. The change of the Sabbath to Sunday was completed by the seventh century as the Popes persecuted all who resisted their innovations. Anyone found keeping the Seventh day Sabbath were persecuted and burnt at the stake. Watch a reenactment of a true story of someone being burnt for keeping the Sabbath. Centuries later when the Protestant reformation began, the fourth Commandment had been almost murdered out of existence by the Roman Catholic Church, and so as all the new Protestant Churches began, they continued keeping Sunday in ignorance.
• Satan through an Apostate Church persecutes God's true Church for 1260 years and the Church has to flee into the wilderness leaving the persecuting Catholic Church ruling as Church and state that murdered and tortured more than 50,000,000 Christians as heretics through the dark ages. The fourth Commandment was nearly murdered out of existence and Satan had achieved his goal and a major victory over God's true Church.
• Towards the end of the dark ages (1517) Martin Luther discovers that the Papal Church is the antichrist power and gives birth to the Protestant Reformation. (Antichrist also means in place of Christ as the Pope claims to be God on Earth.)
• The Catholic Church holds the council of Trent, which started in 1545 and responds with the Counter Reformation in an attempt to have the finger pointed at either Nero or a fictional future Antichrist. See futurist and futurism Bible prophecy for more detail.
• The Protestant Reformation gives birth to many new Protestant Churches but in ignorance they continue to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. This is why so many think Sunday is the Sabbath but no so.
• In 1798, Napoleon through his General Berthier ends the 1260 years of Papal rule and they no longer have power as Church and state. It was not long before they elected a new Pope but they were now just a Church with very limited power.
• In 1929, Benito Mussolini signs a concordat in Rome giving back to the Pope, not the whole city but over 100 acres which is now known as the Vatican. The power of the Roman Catholic Church is on the increase again as the Bible says that the deadly wound (Revelation 13:3) that stopped the Papal Church from its 1260 year rule will be healed and that they are going to be given power back by the second beast and enforce the mark of the beast being their mark. (Revelation 13:12-18)
• God uses the spirit of prophecy to help restore His fourth Commandment by raising up an end time movement as His remnant Church. (Revelation 12:17) Note that Revelation 19:10 informs us that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
• Today, most Christians are unaware of these facts and our adversary works very hard to keep it that way, and sadly, he has been very successful, especially since many resist accepting the truth about this Commandment that defines it is God we love and worship. There is only between 20,000,000 and 40,000,000 Christians in just over 500 different denominations that understand this important fact that also defines it is God we give our allegiance to. Our allegiance is to God and not the Pope or even worse, our adversary that gave this Church their power and authority. (Revelation 13:2)
• The Papal system is the major theme in Revelation and Daniel because not long after Christ, SHE has continued to have a massive impact on what TRULY does matter to God, i.e., His Church. She is the root of many false doctrines, has changed God's law and shed the blood of millions of innocent Christians they called heretics etc. When Israel committed spiritual adultery, God called His Old Testament Church a “WHORISH WOMAN” and a “HARLOT” etc, and accused her of “FORNICATION” and “ADULTERY.” The Papal Church is guilty of much worse than Israel. Pope Benedict recently caused a major uproar among many Churches as he referred to the Catholic Church as being the “MOTHER” Church and called for all the daughter Churches to come back to HER. Many Churches today are called daughter Churches because they originally came from the Catholic Church, eg: Martin Luther, who had been a Catholic priest established the Lutheran Church. Sadly, many of the daughter Churches have also ignorantly inherited various false doctrines and this is why SHE is called the “MOTHER OF HARLOTS” and mystery Babylon.

Permalink Reply by Freedom In Him on August 25, 2019 at 7:12pm

Were the Ten Commandments Nailed to the Cross?

It seems that many Christians either have the mentality of wanting to nail anything they do not like to the cross or are unable to tell the difference between the sacrificial law and God's moral law. All too often Christians see the word “law” in the Bible and assume it is the Ten Commandments. Why do so many assume that the ordinances and the Ten Commandments are the same thing? The only relationship between the two laws is that the moral law defines sin, as sin is the transgression of the Law. (1 John 3:4) And the “ordinances” or the “Law of Moses” and the many other names it is referred to in the Bible defined the sacrifices, which were the remedy for sin. The Old and New Testaments are abundantly clear what the ordinances and this worldly sacrificial sanctuary system were and their purpose. The King James Version should be used to study this topic as it is has the most accurate translation of this passage. Note the following points.

1. The Ten Commandments and the ordinances are not the same thing and are separate as shown by Luke 1:6.
2. The following scripture also shows that the ordinances were part of the sacrificial sanctuary service and not the moral law by telling us that the first covenant had also the ordinances as well as the Ten Commandments but in the new covenant the ordinances are gone leaving just what God wrote in stone. Hebrews 9:1-2 “Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the show bread; which is called the sanctuary.”
3. Paul uses the word ordinances in verse 14, which does consist of “meat offerings”, “drink offerings”, “new moon” festivals, “holydays” and various ceremonial “sabbaths” or “sabbath days” which are described in verse 16 and were all part of the Mosaic Law that pointed forward to the work Jesus did on the cross and hence ended at the cross as Paul says in verse 14. As just seen in Hebrews 9:1-2, these ordinances were part of the worldly sacrificial sanctuary system which involved sin offerings, which of course were no longer necessary and were nailed to the cross when Jesus became the true Lamb of God.
4. Ezekiel 45:17 is the perfect parallel of Colossians 2:14-16 and is no doubt what Paul is quoting. Read Ezekiel chapter 45 if you want to get the full context but once again, use the King James as many modern translations mistranslate these passages or translate them in such a way that they are unclear.

Note that Strong's dictionary says “feasts” and “holydays” are synonymous making Ezekiel 45:17 and Colossians 2:16 a perfect match and giving real clarity as to what law was nailed to the cross. As you can see by comparing these verses, the “ordinances” are part of “Mosaic Law” which is sometimes called the “ceremonial law” and hence the Ten Commandments and the ordinances are NOT the same thing.

Thus before the cross there was both the Sacrificial Law and the Moral Law and we know that one of these laws was nailed to the cross. I would hope it is now obvious which law but let's clarify further anyway.

What was sacrificed before the cross for sin and who became our Passover Lamb? Did Jesus become the Lamb of God and our one and final perfect sacrifice? And so did the sacrifice of Christ permanently end the Sacrificial Law? The answer of course is yes.

So while there is this mentality of many Christians wanting to nail everything to the cross, the only thing that in fact was is that which was practiced for sin before Jesus replaced this law by becoming our perfect sacrifice.

Read the following page comparing the Ten Commandments and the ceremonial law for very detailed information. To see that the KJV Bible has translated this passage extremely well and the phrase “sabbath days” is definitely plural, which also verifies that these are ceremonial sabbaths, see the following web site on Colossians 2:16. See also was the Sabbath nailed to the cross and Adam Clarke and Albert Barnes Commentaries.

Thus we find it was not the Ten Commandments that were nailed to the cross but the ordinances of the Mosaic Law. 

Permalink Reply by James French on August 25, 2019 at 7:31pm

My reference should be clarified: The Exodus period, wherein Moses was chosen by God to lead the people out of Egypt and into the promised land, that was a new chapter and administration.

When a previous administration ends and a new one begins, there is a transition from one to the other new one; The Stewardship

of God's household. Other than God 's reference  in Genesis there is no mention of Shabbot in scripture until your reference in the Exodus period. I had forgotten about that reference as the giving of the law comes to mind as the big event. But these rules were not known, enforced or obeyed apparently before the Exodus period. That still does not detroy the fact that there is no record in the Word of God before. Anything about shabbot being universal or that the Law or 10 commandments are universal are conjecture as the Exodus reference you refer to as well as the subsequent giving of the law was written to the Hebrews. The Gentiles were without law.

The Hebrews did not separate the 10 Commandments from the law, as all the law was 613 laws.

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4.

People are made righteous by faith, not by works including attending Shabbot etc. Many read EGW more than reading Paul's epistles, which spply directly to the body of Christ.

Permalink Reply by Elijah on August 25, 2019 at 10:46pm

James said:

"My reference should be clarified: The Exodus period, wherein Moses was chosen by God to lead the people out of Egypt and into the promised land, that was a new chapter and administration."

That is just a copout James Either there was no Sabbat Known Before Mount Sinai or it was Known. I have seen a lot of objections to the Sabbath but that was the poorest one I have seen And You claim to be a super Bible student? 

Any way read Freedoms Posts and answer those if you can superman.  

Truth is Truth and everything else is lies.

Permalink Reply by Freedom In Him on August 25, 2019 at 7:09pm

Fifty Questions on Bible prophecy in regards to the fourth Commandment

1. Why does one of the final verses of Revelation state that those who are blessed and eat from the tree of life and enter the heavenly city are those who keep the Commandments of God? Revelation 22:14.
2. Why does God raise up a remnant Church (remnant meaning like the original) after the dark ages that keep His Commandments that Satan would hate and make war with? Revelation 12:17. See who is the remnant Church.
3. Why will Satan hate this remnant and make war with it? What does the verse say this Church would do? Revelation 12:17.
4. What is the significance of God saying that the remnant Church would keep His Commandments?
5. If God says His remnant Church is going to keep His Commandments and Satan is going to make war with them, does this mean that one or more of God's Commandments were lost?
6. Why were as many as 50,000,000 Christians murdered and tortured during the dark ages with many of them being burnt at the stake for keeping one of God's Commandments, and which Commandment was it that was almost lost by the blood of many of these millions of innocent saints?
7. Is it true that the Bible and history show that it was just one Commandment and that it was the fourth Commandment the Sabbath? Watch this re-enactment video for a true story example.
8. So which of the Ten Commandments was nearly lost that God is restoring through His end time remnant Church? And why if this Commandment is not relevant as some state? Revelation 12:17.
9. Which apostate Church nearly tortured and murdered the fourth Commandment out of existence? See Catholic Quotes and Adam Clarke's Commentary. See also the Catholic Version of the Ten Commandments.
10. Did you know that the Earthly sanctuary was a copy of the heavenly sanctuary and why Moses was given such precise details? Hebrews 8:5.
11. Did you know the Ark of the Covenant on Earth represented the throne of God and the space between the two cherubim on top is called the mercy seat and had the very presence of God and that the Ten Commandments were right under this mercy seat inside the Ark?
12. What is the significance and why does God say the colour blue represents His law? Numbers 15:38-40.
13. Did you know that the book of Ezekiel says that the heavenly throne of God is made of sapphire which is BLUE and the heavenly Ten Commandments were cut from the throne of God and hence are also blue sapphire? Is this why God says the colour blue represents His law and why we have these parallels with the Earthly Ark of the Covenant?
14. Henceforth, did you know that through the book of Ezekiel and Revelation 11:19, we know there is an original set of the the Ten Commandments in the heavenly sanctuary that would therefore contain the full law of God including the Commandment that was made at creation that we still keep in the New Heaven and Earth? Isaiah 66:22-23.
15. Why does God have the Ten Commandments written in blue sapphire stone that were cut from His own throne on display in the heavenly sanctuary that are the originals of the Earthly copy and so has ALL Ten Commandments, NOT nine?
16. Did you know that God's true Church or an apostate Church is symbolically represented as a WOMAN all throughout the Bible and why God's Church is the bride of Christ?
17. Were you aware that the Catholic Church not only knows this but says she alone is Christ's spouse and the MOTHER Church because most other Churches came from her? Catholic Quote.
18. Did you know that God called Israel a HARLOT and a WHORISH WOMAN as the Old testament Church when SHE was guilty of idolatry and hence ADULTERY and FORNICATION? Ezekiel 16:26-32, Jeremiah 3:1-25.
19. Did you know that many of the Churches that came from the Papacy were also guilty of idolatry which by the Papacy's own definition of being the MOTHER Church and God's definition of idolatry would make HER the MOTHER OF HARLOTS?
20. Did you know that the Old Testament priest's garments had the colours purple, scarlet, gold and BLUE? Exodus 28:4-6.
21. Did you know that the woman (Church) riding the beast in Revelation 17:3-6 has the colours purple, scarlet, and gold but NO BLUE. Why? What did the colour blue represent again? What did God say was its significance? Numbers 15:38-40.
22. Did you know that this woman (Church) riding the beast has the same colours that the Catholic priests robes have?
23. Did you know that the Vatican is its own kingdom and that Daniel 7:23 says a beast in Bible prophecy is a kingdom, so a woman (Church) riding a beast would be a Church in control of a kingdom?
24. Did you know that the colour scarlet represents sin (Isaiah 1:18) and so a scarlet coloured beast would be a sinful kingdom, i.e. one that does not keep God's Commandments which are represented by the colour blue?
25. Did you know that the millions of Christians the Papacy tortured and murdered which they called heretics were MARTYRS for Jesus and the Papacy also has the blood of millions of saints on HER hands? Considering the above several points, now read Revelation 17:3-6 carefully.
26. So which Church changed the law of God against His will? See Adam Clarke's Commentary.
27. Why is God going to punish this woman (Church) that changed His law if the fourth Commandment supposedly has no significance anymore?
28. Why is so much detail given on the colours and that blue is missing if the Ten Commandments do not matter and more to the point, the one the Papal Church changed?
29. And who gave power to this Church so he could be worshiped by representation? Revelation 13:2. And why? Isaiah 14:12-14.
30. So why else did Satan want the fourth Commandment changed if it supposedly has no significance as some say? James 2:10. And did God reveal this principle by showing that those not keeping His Sabbath on the right day are breaking all His law? Exodus 16:4-30.
31. What are the consequences for deliberate and wilful sin? Hebrews 10:26-29, Matthew 7:21-23.
32. What are the consequences for worshipping the beast power? Revelation 14:9-11.
33. What do those do that is different that do not worship the beast and hence do NOT get their Mark? Revelation 14:12.
34. Did you know that antichrist also means in place of Christ and John said that antichrist was part of the early Church but went out on their own? So which Church broke away that John called antichrist? What Church started then and became the most powerful Church on Earth by the death of millions? See 1 John 2:18-19, Catholic Quotes and Adam Clarke's Commentary.
35. Did you know that the beast power that enforces the Mark of the Beast in Revelation 13 is called Babylon in Revelation 14 and is synonymous with the woman (Church) riding a beast (mystery Babylon), and the little horn of Daniel 7 that persecutes the saints and changes God's law? See Adam Clarke's Commentary on Daniel 7:25.
36. Is it coincidence that the beast power (Papal Church) has one man at its head and that Revelation 13:18 says that 666 is the number of a man that we have to count (add), and if we add up the corresponding numbers of the letters of the various titles of the Pope in Roman numerals or Latin etc, that they all add up to 666? Example; “VICARIUS FILII DEI”, which means “Vicar of Christ” or Substitute for Christ, which is synonymous with John's definition of antichrist, that is, assuming the power of God on Earth. See Catholic Quote 1, Catholic Quote 2 and Interesting fact. Hover for the article “The number of a man” on the titles of the Pope or select for original image. Page 17 continued. See also the origin of 666 the number of the beast and the sister site what is the mark of the beast.
37. Did you know that the Bible describes two Israel's, (Romans 9:6-8) an Israel of the flesh (1 Corinthians 10:18) and an Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) and that the New Covenant was ONLY made with the children of Israel, (Hebrews 8:10) but if we are Christ's then we are Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:28-29; Isaiah 41:8) and the Israel of God, that is, the children of Israel. See also Romans 2:28-29. Please read Daniel's 70 weeks explained for more on how and when this occurred.
38. Did you know the Sabbath defines that we are God's Children and that it is God we love and worship and that it is God that sanctifies us and makes us Holy when we keep His day Holy and so defines it is God we give our allegiance to? Ezekiel 20:20, Exodus 31:13, Exodus 31:16-17.
39. Since the Sabbath defines worship of our creator and we are told one day we will be forced to worship the beast. How are we going to worship them? Remember they instituted their own Sabbath day by tradition and through Satan's authority. Mark 7:6-9, Revelation 13:2.
40. Is it coincidence that the Papal Church says we give our allegiance to them when we keep their Sunday commandment? Catholic Quote. Hover here for a document clip or select for the full original image.
41. Who would we be giving our allegiance to if we knowingly worshipped on a day effectively instituted by Satan himself?
42. If we did this knowingly, would this incur the full wrath of God which those receive who worship the beast power? Since God Seals His faithful children with His Mark in their foreheads, wouldn't the Mark of the Beast be symbolic also as is the Mark of God? Revelation 9:4, Deuteronomy 6:8.
43. Is it coincidence that the Ten Commandments are a sign upon our HAND and FOREHEAD (Deuteronomy 6:8) which is where the Mark of the Beast goes? See 666 and the mark of the beast for detailed information.
44. Is it coincidence that Revelation 13:2 says Satan (dragon) gave his power to the beast (Papal Church) and had the day changed that defines the worship of our creator?
45. Is it coincidence that the day that defines worship of our Creator and defines it is Him we obey only and give our allegiance to just happens to be the Commandment that Satan had changed by the Papal Church and prophecy warns us about? Daniel 7:25. See Adam Clarke's Commentary.
46. Is it coincidence that the Mark of the Beast issue is all about worship and the fourth Commandment is also all about worship?
47. Is it coincidence that the Catholic Church say that it is their MARK of authority that they could change one of God's Commandments and have the world follow them? Catholic Quotes.
48. Is it coincidence that those who do NOT get the mark “worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters” only, and that Greek Lexicons tell us that this phrase from Revelation 14:7 regarding the mark of the beast is from the Sabbath Commandment?
49. Is it coincidence that those who do not get the Mark of the Beast on their HAND or FOREHEAD keep the Commandments of God (Revelation 14:12) and that it is a sign on our HANDS and FOREHEADS that we do keep God's law? Deuteronomy 6:8.
50. So who does NOT get the Mark of the Beast and who is part of God's remnant Church and who gains entrance into the heavenly city? Is it those who keep ALL Ten Commandments of God? Revelation 14:12, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 22:14, Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

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