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The Health Message is apart of the 3 Angels Messages. It is the "right arm" of the 3 Angels Message, which is the Everlasting Gospel. The Health Message is particularly connected to the 1st Angels Message, which tells us to "GIVE GLORY TO GOD". We give glory to God by reflecting His character and following His ways.

 

*Revelation 14:6,7---"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

 

...We give "GLORY TO GOD" by reflecting His character and following His ways. We also give "GLORY TO GOD" in how we look, dress, eat, and drink. 1 Corinthians 10:31 makes this more clear.

 

*1 Corinthians 10:31---"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."

 

...This is how the Health Message is connected to the 3 Angels Message, through the announcement of the 1st Angel, which is to GIVE GOD GLORY. We give God glory in ALL that we do, including "eating & drinking". This is why God gave His last day church the HEALTH MESSAGE. We are told that meat eating should be done away with and that we (SDA's) should NOT eat cheese or other dairy products. Most of us agree on meat-eating. But many of us have not seen the light on eating dairy products (cheese, eggs, milk, butter, cream).

 

The SOP says,

 

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  • Pure Vegetarianism/Veganism

1868 "Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach." 2T 68

1883 "All the elements of nutrition are contained in the fruits, vegetables, and grains." HL 96

1889 "Years ago I had a testimony of reproof for the managers in our campmeetings bringing upon the ground and selling to our people cheese and other hurtful things." CD 329

1890 "The effect of cheese is deleterious." CH 114

1896 "The simple grains, fruits of the trees, and vegetables have all the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood." HL 98

1898 "In a short time the milk of the cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment-keeping people in a short time it will not be safe to use anything that comes from the animal creation." CD 411

1899 "The light given me is that it will not be very long before we shall have to give up using any animal food. Even milk will have to be discarded." CD 384

1901 "The time may come when it will not be safe to use milk.... The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs.... The time will come when milk cannot be used as freely as it is now used.... But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this.... We see that cattle are becoming greatly diseased, the earth itself is corrupted, and we know that the time will come when it will not be best to use milk and eggs." CD 357-9

1902 "Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men." 7T135

1903 "Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce of flesh meat should enter our stomachs." CD 380

1905 "Cheese is... objectionable; it is wholly unfit for food." MH 302

1905 "Grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator.... The grains, with fruits, nuts, and vegetables, contain ALL the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood.... The diet reform should be progressive. As disease in animals increases, the use of milk and eggs will become more and more unsafe... The people everywhere should be taught how to cook without milk and eggs, so far as possible, and yet have their food wholesome and palatable." MH 296, 316, 320-1

1906 "In grains, fruits, vegetables, and nuts are to be found ALL the food elements that we need." CDF 92, 310, 313

1909 "The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs..." 9T162


 

"Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when, because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state{CD 460.5}"

 

 

 

...The last few words in the Counsels of Diet and Foods appendix, are those of James White regarding the counsels on health given to his wife: "...all changes in diet should be made carefully, one at a time. And while she [his wife, Ellen White] would say this to those who are in danger of making changes too rapidly, she would also say to the tardy, Be sure and not forget to change."

*Scripture says that you are to “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).

It is my hope and prayer that you will do just that.

 

QUESTION: Should SDA's Eat/Drink Dairy Products (Cheese, Eggs, Milk, Butter, Cream)???

ANSWER: NO!

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DMJ,

Are you purposefully being thick? I have never once gone against the promotion of the health message nor said it was of no benefit. If you actually read what I have written you would see that I am a natural food eating vegan.

 

I have quite clearly spoken against the falsehood that you are suggesting that we MUST follow any prescribed diet to be saved. That is false.  This is NOT a point of salvation.

 

So quit distracting folks with quotes that don't apply. Give us quotes that show we can't be saved unless we follow your pet diet. That is what you are suggesting when you say this is a point of Salvation.

 

This is NOT a point of salvation. Neither is all the other legalistic bull you write in other threads about rings, etc. None of these are points of salvation and you have not been able to show that they are.

Praise the Lord! I am glad that you follow the health message and yes I did read that in your previous post.

 

However, we must take the Health Message to others who do not know about it or who do not practice it. The Health Message is the RIGHT ARM OF THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. Therefore it IS apart of the gospel.

 

Sir, it is not my pet diet, but it IS God's pet diet because He authorized this diet and gave it to us. You are not going against me, you are going against God.

 

I have proven to you over & over again on what the Holy Spirit has to say through the writings of the spirit of prophecy that this issue is a salvation issue. Meat-eating MUST be done away with by God's people in order for US to be saved.

 

SOP says,

 

"Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them.--{RH May 27, 1902.}"

 

...This previous statement sounds like a salvation issue to me! "Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them"!!! How much more simpler can it get??? Those that are still eating meat and not following the counsel of the Health Message WILL BE SHAKEN OUT!!! THEY WILL BE LOST!!! This is most definitely A SALVATION ISSUE!!!

Mark,

You are trying to clarify MY position for others? That's rich. My position is clear. This is NOT a point of salvation.  Your "clarification" of my position is a either a complete misrepresentation or it does not apply to what I have said. It's against the rules to do that.

 

And yes, if you think that all people have to follow a specific diet to be saved, I would call you a legalist.  What's your definition?  I would again suggest you don't understand Christ as sinners Savior nor His robe of righteousness.

  "Has God, in showing mercy to the sinner, ceased to be just? Has He dishonored His holy law, and will He henceforth pass over the violation of it? God is true. He changes not. The conditions of salvation are ever the same. Life, eternal life, is for all who will obey God's law. Perfect obedience, revealed in thought, word, and deed, is as essential now as when the lawyer asked Christ, "What shall I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? how readest thou? . . . . this do, and thou shalt live" (Luke 10:25-28). Under the new covenant the conditions by which eternal life may be gained are the same as under the old--perfect obedience. {TMK 300}" 

 

 

"Let no one take up with the delusion so pleasant to the natural heart, that God will accept of sincerity, no matter what may be the faith, no matter how imperfect may be the life. God requires of His child perfect obedience. {1SM 373.1}"

No not ALL people, just those who have the light of health shining upon them.

Mark said:

"You are throwing out accusations against others calling people legalistic for following God's council."

 

Once again, you misrepresent me. I have never said that. Why must you purposefully misrepresent me?

 

I have only and always stated that DMJ is incorrect when he says that following his suggested diet (or any diet) is a point of salvation. He is saying (unless he doesn't know what a 'point of salvation' is) that unless we follow that diet we are not saved. This is false. No one has been able to give a basis to support that claim. Until someone does, it remains false.  And since it is false, the whole premise of his post falls apart as falsehood.

It is not my diet.

 

It is God's diet.

 

Obedience is the key.

 

Vincenzo, can we enter into heaven without obedience???

dear Vincenzo, grace and peace.

Mark said  "Can I clarify your position, that people wishing to obey God and advocating others to follow in a likewise council are legalistic??"

You said "You are trying to clarify MY position for others? That's rich."

May I just point out the Two question marks at the end of Marks post, implying that this is a question and not a statement and therefore no misrepresentation of what you said and therefore not against the rules.

No-one has to follow a diet to be saved. However not to follow a diet has implications that would affect your ability to hear and follow Christ, and could therefore affect your salvation.

IN THE ABOVE SAID CONTEXT DIET IS A SALVATIONAL ISSUE. YOU VINCENCO ARE 100% WRONG.

Blessings, Scott.

Vincenzo

Seems to me brother that it is you who don't understand the plan of salvation.

Which part of John 3: 16 and 17 do you not understand?

 

Since the legalistic views here are drawn almost entirely from quotes from the Spirit of Prophecy, I will give some treasured SOP quotes of my own:

 

"Christ's character stands in place of your character, and you are accepted before God just as if you had not sinned." SC 62

"So I will be your representative in heaven. The Father beholds not your faulty character, but He sees you as clothed in My perfection. I am the medium through which Heaven's blessings shall come to you. And everyone who confesses Me by sharing My sacrifice for the lost shall be confessed as a sharer in the glory and joy of the redeemed." DA 357

"We are not to be anxious about what Christ and God think of us, but about what God thinks of Christ, our Substitute. Ye are accepted in the Beloved." 2SM 33

Dear Brother Vincenzo, grace and peace.

In the three quotes you used from SOP, in order to belong to the group quoted as "your", "you", and "we", we must accept God's conditions: i.e. Repentance and Obedience. Christ's robe of righteousness is CONDITIONAL.

Blessings, Scott.

Vincenzo, grace and peace.

Which part of John 3: 18 do you not understand? 

Faith without works is dead.

Name = character.

Salvation is not to presumptuously believe in Christ, even the demons do that.

Salvation is to have the character of Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

If we do not act (works by grace, not in your power but by God helping you) upon the Light we have, we shall receive no further Light and we shall receive darkness.

If we are being told by inspiration that flesh and flesh products are not good for us, and scientific evidence agree's, WHATS YOUR POINT??

 

If we defile our Temple (body), God says He will destroy us. IS THAT SALVATIONAL????

WAKE UP CHURCH. 

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