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The Health Message is apart of the 3 Angels Messages. It is the "right arm" of the 3 Angels Message, which is the Everlasting Gospel. The Health Message is particularly connected to the 1st Angels Message, which tells us to "GIVE GLORY TO GOD". We give glory to God by reflecting His character and following His ways.

 

*Revelation 14:6,7---"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

 

...We give "GLORY TO GOD" by reflecting His character and following His ways. We also give "GLORY TO GOD" in how we look, dress, eat, and drink. 1 Corinthians 10:31 makes this more clear.

 

*1 Corinthians 10:31---"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."

 

...This is how the Health Message is connected to the 3 Angels Message, through the announcement of the 1st Angel, which is to GIVE GOD GLORY. We give God glory in ALL that we do, including "eating & drinking". This is why God gave His last day church the HEALTH MESSAGE. We are told that meat eating should be done away with and that we (SDA's) should NOT eat cheese or other dairy products. Most of us agree on meat-eating. But many of us have not seen the light on eating dairy products (cheese, eggs, milk, butter, cream).

 

The SOP says,

 

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  • Pure Vegetarianism/Veganism

1868 "Cheese should never be introduced into the stomach." 2T 68

1883 "All the elements of nutrition are contained in the fruits, vegetables, and grains." HL 96

1889 "Years ago I had a testimony of reproof for the managers in our campmeetings bringing upon the ground and selling to our people cheese and other hurtful things." CD 329

1890 "The effect of cheese is deleterious." CH 114

1896 "The simple grains, fruits of the trees, and vegetables have all the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood." HL 98

1898 "In a short time the milk of the cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment-keeping people in a short time it will not be safe to use anything that comes from the animal creation." CD 411

1899 "The light given me is that it will not be very long before we shall have to give up using any animal food. Even milk will have to be discarded." CD 384

1901 "The time may come when it will not be safe to use milk.... The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs.... The time will come when milk cannot be used as freely as it is now used.... But I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this.... We see that cattle are becoming greatly diseased, the earth itself is corrupted, and we know that the time will come when it will not be best to use milk and eggs." CD 357-9

1902 "Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men." 7T135

1903 "Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce of flesh meat should enter our stomachs." CD 380

1905 "Cheese is... objectionable; it is wholly unfit for food." MH 302

1905 "Grains, fruits, nuts, and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator.... The grains, with fruits, nuts, and vegetables, contain ALL the nutritive properties necessary to make good blood.... The diet reform should be progressive. As disease in animals increases, the use of milk and eggs will become more and more unsafe... The people everywhere should be taught how to cook without milk and eggs, so far as possible, and yet have their food wholesome and palatable." MH 296, 316, 320-1

1906 "In grains, fruits, vegetables, and nuts are to be found ALL the food elements that we need." CDF 92, 310, 313

1909 "The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs..." 9T162


 

"Let the diet reform be progressive. Let the people be taught how to prepare food without the use of milk or butter. Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing in proportion to the increase of wickedness among men. The time is near when, because of the iniquity of the fallen race, the whole animal creation will groan under the diseases that curse our earth. God will give His people ability and tact to prepare wholesome food without these things. Let our people discard all unwholesome recipes. Let them learn how to live healthfully, teaching to others what they have learned. Let them impart this knowledge as they would Bible instruction. Let them teach the people to preserve the health and increase the strength by avoiding the large amount of cooking that has filled the world with chronic invalids. By precept and example make it plain that the food which God gave Adam in his sinless state is the best for man's use as he seeks to regain that sinless state{CD 460.5}"

 

 

 

...The last few words in the Counsels of Diet and Foods appendix, are those of James White regarding the counsels on health given to his wife: "...all changes in diet should be made carefully, one at a time. And while she [his wife, Ellen White] would say this to those who are in danger of making changes too rapidly, she would also say to the tardy, Be sure and not forget to change."

*Scripture says that you are to “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).

It is my hope and prayer that you will do just that.

 

QUESTION: Should SDA's Eat/Drink Dairy Products (Cheese, Eggs, Milk, Butter, Cream)???

ANSWER: NO!

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Jason, read Daniel chapter one, in answer to your question where I see in the Bible, eating vegetables does good.

Concerning  the so called "POOR PEOPLE OF THE EARTH WHO CANNOT AFFORD VEGETABLES" there are only very few places on earth where veg is more expensive than meat, however, as I've already explained in earlier posts, that God only expects you to do what you can. I have means to do all, what about you?

Once again you have refused to answer my questions. Why?

Your interpretation of what "doing good" means is an opinion, moulded to suit yourself.

If you wish to continue a dialog, seeking Truth in the matter, please make an honest attempt to answer my questions. I don't even know your take on things, only that you attack and disagree with what I post.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again now, you come across as someone who could start a fight in an empty house.

Scott.

Jason, Are you saying that you cannot afford to eat and only have fish and eggs as choices?

I am very poor Jason, quite poor infact.  Trust me, there are people all over the world in "affluent countries" that are very poor.

It seems you are worried about someone and making sure they are not sinning.

If you are begging for bread and eating dirt then how do you afford to be on the net so often?

Just a thought, however, I dont see anywhere that eating eggs is a sin, I just see that God has given instructions, yet he does and always will include the poor in his thoughts, as they are mentioned in dietary changes, noting that they may not have choices and they should not have an extra burden placed on them, but, Jason, you have access to the throne of grace, through Jesus Christ our Lord, who is blessed forever more and who helped me so much this week, in a time when things were beyond me, so, ask Him.  He will tell you personally through your conscience and in prayer, what is right for you, for He only can see your situation.

Dee

But before I set a stumbling block before any and allow any space for indulgence, if you are in a position to be able to secure healthy produce free from disease and free from animal flesh or you are parlaying with it, study the cause out with your bible and SOP in hand.

 

Dee

DJ I know that nuts and vegetables are cheap in USA and Australia but they are very expensive in many countries including where i reside. Also many people can't eat nuts etc so they have to find their protein sources elsewhere. 

 

There is real common sense in dietetic reform. The subject should be studied broadly and deeply, and no one should criticize others because their practice is not, in all things, in harmony with his own. It is impossible to make an unvarying rule to regulate everyone’s habits, and no one should think himself a criterion for all. Not all can eat the same things. Foods that are palatable and wholesome to one person may be distasteful, and even harmful, to another. Some cannot use milk, while others thrive on it. Some persons cannot digest peas and beans; others find them wholesome. For some the coarser grain preparations are good food, while others cannot use them. {MH 319.2}

Those who live in new countries or in poverty-stricken districts, where fruits and nuts are scarce, should not be urged to exclude milk and eggs from their dietary. It is true that persons in full flesh and in whom the animal passions are strong need to avoid the use of stimulating foods. Especially in families of children who are given to sensual habits, eggs should not be used. But in the case of persons whose blood-making organs are feeble,—especially if other foods to supply the needed elements cannot be obtained,—milk and eggs should not be wholly discarded. Great care should be taken, however, to obtain milk from healthy cows, and eggs from healthy fowls, that are well fed and well cared for; and the eggs should be so cooked as to be most easily digested. {MH 320.1}

Jason.

Proteins are found in all plant foods, in fact, the proteins found in plant foods are of much better quality than those of flesh foods.

Take your own advice and study.

The fact that you continue to ignore my questions, or even to acknowledge that I am addressing you, does me no harm, in fact, it reveals more about you than your words.

I agree with both passages of SOP that you have quoted, but I don't see where anyone is being criticized for their diet/non diet. As far as I'm concerned I'm merely asking for you to reveal YOUR stand on things, not the masses or the poor, or the third world, or anyone else, just YOURS.

If you'd be so kind....

My stand on things are the same as those of the SDA church

Good, then you would agree with all my posts.

I can then presume you are a vegan (as far as is possible), abstain from unhealthful medications, live in the countryside, growing your own produce (as far as is possible), home educate your children, practice health and dress reform, and encourage and teach others to do the same, loving the Lord Jesus, of course?!!!!!

Amen.

Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists

 

22. Christian Behaviour
We are called to be a godly people who think, feel, and act in harmony with the principles of heaven. For the Spirit to recreate in us the character of our Lord we involve ourselves only in those things which will produce Christlike purity, health, and joy in our lives. This means that our amusement and entertainment should meet the highest standards of Christian taste and beauty. While recognizing cultural differences, our dress is to be simple, modest, and neat, befitting those whose true beauty does not consist of outward adornment but in the imperishable ornament of a gentle and quiet spirit. It also means that because our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit, we are to care for them intelligently. Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures. Since alcoholic beverages, tobacco, and the irresponsible use of drugs and narcotics are harmful to our bodies, we are to abstain from them as well. Instead, we are to engage in whatever brings our thoughts and bodies into the discipline of Christ, who desires our wholesomeness, joy, and goodness. (Rom. 12:1, 2; 1 John 2:6; Eph. 5:1-21; Phil. 4:8; 2 Cor. 10:5; 6:14-7:1; 1 Peter 3:1-4; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; 10:31; Lev. 11:1-47; 3 John 2.)

Jason,

What does your diet consist of and what is available to you?

If you are willing I can give you ideas about where to get your calcium and proteins, Vitamin B's, D's,

A,C,E, from etc,

let me know

Can inbox me if you wish.

Dee

It all about what you feel convicted to do. It is not that easy to stop eating them. It need power from above. Even doctors who know the truth will never tell you to stop unless you go to hospital when already you have be affected by them.

And it is not about Adventist it is about the health of the world. Disease don't chose SDAs and leave the others. IT ALL ABOUT MAN KIND. Just as the message of grace is important so is the health teachings.

We do need to change our food that we eat. We should return to the form of meal God instituted in Eden. Purely vegetables and fruits.

 

I do hope to have a lifetime partner that would compel me of becoming a vegan. : D

 

I do agree not to eat Dairy Products. Thank you.

 

Amen, David Mogita & Elfeujun M. Sampaga

...Thank you for your powerful testimonies.

Let us be living witnesses that the the Lord can & will give us the strength to follow His ways, including His health laws.

 

*Psalms 67:2---"That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations."

 

...The Lord wants His "saving health among all nations". He wants us to spread the Health Message to the world. It is GOOD NEWS! It is apart of the "Everlasting Gospel". It is the "Right Arm of the 3 Angels Message". It is to prepare a people to stand in the Day of the Lord. Jesus gave us this message, and to present this message (which is the entering wedge), is to present JESUS!!!

 

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