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"Permalink Reply by Elijah on December 22, 2017 at 6:44pm
I thought you would have understood that James. I am not sure how baptism is done in your Church but as SDA we do it exactly like Christ told us to. And Pastor says "I baptise you in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit." I am yet to see a baptised person coming out of the watery grave and speak in tounges as you suggest we need to do. I seem to remember you telling us that you needed to take a special course in speaking in tounges anyway. Well the SDA do not run such a course as the Bible does not tell us that you need special training in speaking in tounges. As far as I understand speaking in tounges was the least of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. You here seem to suggest it is the most important. As Raymond seems to suggest Gifts of the flesh is also manifested in your church like Sodomy, that is a thing God has condemned outright in the Bible. So please do not tell us how superior you are to us."

IN CASE YOU MISSED IT; HERE IS SODOMY INFERENCE FROM THE LAST TWO SENTANCES ABOVE:

"As Raymond seems to suggest Gifts of the flesh is also manifested in your church like Sodomy, that is a thing God has condemned outright in the Bible. So please do not tell us how superior you are to us.

YOU AGAIN CLAIM MENTAL ILLNESS, DENY BRINGING SODOMY INFERENCE INTO THE DEBATE;

"I cannot recall saying that, but then again a person who is mentally ill come up with a lot of lies."

YOU ADD INSULT TO INJURY. IF YOU DID THIS IN AMERICA IN EARLY 19TH CENTURY, YOU WOULD BE CHALLENGED TO A DUEL TO THE DEATH WHEN HONOR WAS IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE NO HONOR NOR INTEGRITY.

MULTIPLE TIMES YOU INSULT ME. YOU SHOW YOURSELF TO BE A MOST VILE CREATURE."

THE SODOMY ACCUSATION WAS DIRECTED DIRECTLY TO ME AS IT STATED AT THE TOP:

"I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT JAMES"...YOU HERE SEEM TO SUGGEST(NOTE: REFERENCE TO TONGUES) IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. AS RAYMOND SEEMS TO SUGGEST GIFTS OF THE FLESH IS ALSO MANIFESTED IN YOUR CHURCH LIKE SODOMY, THAT IS A THING GOD HAS CONDEMNED OUTRIGHT IN THE BIBLE. SO PLEASE DO NOT TELL US HOW SUPERIOR YOU ARE TO US."

NOW JOHNB DEFENDS THE SODOMY ACCUSATION BY ATTACKING ME AGAIN TODAY:

Ok, as I see it this is the progression:

22nd December 2017 Raymond refers to, "some denominations which are pro sodomy and or abortion".

On the same day Elijah says, "As Raymond seems to suggest Gifts of the flesh is also manifested in your church like Sodomy, that is a thing God has condemned outright in the Bible."

Five months later James says, "I have been accused of even sodomy!"

When challenged on this, the same day, James changed his mind and stated that Elijah had suggested that he belongs to a church that practices sodomy and as he had attended an SDA Church (not as a member) James then tried to infer that Elijah was saying that the SDA Church practices sodomy.

I believe that is the root of the problem. James refuses to point posts out to me as he believes that it is my "work" to find what he is referring to, so any lack is down to non-cooperation rather than a failing on my part. 

So...

1. Raymond mentions churches being pro-sodomy

2. Elijah spins it to suggest James is a member of a church that practices sodomy

3. James digs it up months later and spins it further as an allegation that he commits sodomy.

4. James then resiles from that position and says it was an inference not an allegation.

5. Everybody gets upset about it all over again.

James and Elijah seem to be the cause of the problem, Elijah for misrepresenting what Raymond said and James for blowing it all out of proportion by exaggerating it to claim an actual allegation of sodomy and digging up a grievance from 5 months ago.

All posters should be clear and concise in their writing and not exaggerate what others say. 

This appears to be a problem with both Elijah and James and I will encourage you both to follow the rules and speak the truth in love.

Hopefully we have some kind of "truce" in effect at the moment so I suggest learning and moving on."

END OF JOHNB DEFENSE OF ACCUSATION OF SODOMY.

I DID NOT EXAGGERATE WHAT ELIJAH SAID;

"GIFTS OF THE FLESH IS ALSO MANIFESTED IN YOUR CHURCH LIKE SODOMY, THAT IS A THING GOD HAS CONDEMNED OUTRIGHT IN THE BIBLE. SO PLEASE DO NOT TELL US HOW SUPERIOR YOU ARE TO US."

JOHNB FURTHER SUBTLELY MISREPRESENTS THE TRUTH AND FACTS BY STATING AS ABOVE TODAY:

When challenged on this, the same day, James changed his mind and stated that Elijah had suggested that he belongs to a church that practices sodomy and as he had attended an SDA Church (not as a member) James then tried to infer that Elijah was saying that the SDA Church practices sodomy."

NO! I POINTED OUT HOW IRONIC IT IS THAT ELIJAH'S EVIL SODOMY ACCUSATION AGAINST ME AND "MY CHRUCH" WAS MADE AGAINST THE LAST CHURCH I HAD ATTENDED 3 YEARS AGO, AND SDA CHURCH!

I DID NOT EXAGGERATE OR DEFEND THESE EVIL ACCUSATIONS. IT WAS ELIJAH PUTTING HIS FOOT IN HIS OWN MOUTH, WHICH JOHNB THEN ATTACKS ME FOR.

IT WAS NOT AN INFERENCE, IT WAS A DIRECT ACCUSATION. THE INFERENCE WAS ABOUT THAT I WAS A SATANIST AS ELIJAH ACCUSED ME OF BEING IN LEAGUE WITH THE DEVIL BY STATING THAT SATAN STARTED THE FIRES (HERE IN COBB, CA) AND THAT SATAN COULD HAVE PUT OUT THE FIRES.

WHY DOES ELIJAH CONSTANTLY MAKE UP LIES AND ACCUSATIONS ABOUT ME WITHOUT FOUNDATION, THEN YOU JOHNB DEFEND HIM. AS STATED IN MY SPIRITUAL INDICTMENT; YOU THREE DEFENDANTS; JOHNB, JASON AND ELIJAH WORK TOGETHER AND DEFEND EACH OTHER ETC.

HOW CAN THERE BE A TRUCE WHEN JASON AND NOW YOU ARE STILL AT IT, MISREPRESENTING WHAT I SAY OR DO OR MAKE UP EVIL AND DEFEND IT?

EVERYTIME YOU ATTACK ME I WILL POST HERE A NEW FORUM SO THE PUBLIC AND OTHER SDA CAN SEE THE EVIL AND SINISTER METHODS USED HERE THAT ARE DEMONIC.

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when will this stop ? we should realize what we are dealing with here  

THE TRUTH, THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE. YOU STARTED THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS, NOW THAT ITS ALL OBVIOUS HOW WICKED YOU AND ELIJAH ARE, AND DEFENDED BY JOHNB WITH HIS ILLUMINATI SIGIL MAGIC, YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT OF THE TRUTH OF HOW YOU LOOK. YOU GUYS DON'T REFUTE MY POSTS OF SCRIPTURES, GREEK WORDS, TESTIMONIES, YOU AND ELIJAH, THE DEFENDANTS JUST CALL ME OF THE DEVIL AND MENTALLY ILL AND SODOMITE AND THEN JOHNB DEFENDS IT. HOW DO YOU LIKE BEING EXPOSED FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE?

IT WILL STOP WHEN YOU STOP ATTACKING ME AND MAKING FALSE AND MALICIOUS POSTS. THATS WHEN IT STOPS. GET IT! IT WILL ALSO STOP WHEN PEOPLE HERE STOP MAKING EVIL STATEMENTS ABOUT OTHERS. ALL MY POSTS HAVE BEEN DEFENSIVE. YOU CANNOT ADDRESS MY RESEARCH ADEQUATELY BECAUSE I USE PAGE OF SCRIPTURES FOR CONTEXT OFTEN AND GREEK WORDS.

MY SPIRITUAL INDICTMENT AND ITS ADDENDUM STILL STAND AS WELL AS ALL THE DEFENDANT'S POSTS AS WITNESS, AS WELL AS MY STATEMENTS. THEY ARE STILL BEFORE THE COURT OF GOD AND BEFORE EVERYONE HERE AND THE PUBLIC, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS WHAT YOU DON'T WANT, THE PUBLIC TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU FEW ZEALOTS ARE LIKE. YOU ARE GIVING THE SDA GREAT PUBLICITY. 

TRUTH IS HARD TO SWALLOW. PERHAPS YOU WILL THINK TWICE BEFORE ONE OF YOU FALSELY ACCUSES ANYBODY OF MENTAL ILLNESS, SODOMY ETC. DID YOU KNOW SUCH THINGS ARE A VIOLATION OF CIVIL LAW, ITS CALLED DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER. BUT YOU YAHOO'S PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TWO SHECKLES TO RUB TOGETHER, SO YOUR NOT WORTH GOING TO MAN'S COURT, BUT IT IS WORTH BRINGING BEFORE GOD'S COURT, AS A PETITION, PRAYER, PLEADING AND INDICTMENT. GOD IS FULLY AWARE OF YOUR HEARTS AS WELL AS MINE. HE SHALL JUDGE, NOT YOU IN THESE MATTERS.

Peace

I will state for the record to brother James, as an eye witness, brother JohnB has been fair to you... Because he doesn't get on Jason and Ian isn't reason to accuse him of attacking you, because he has a profile picture that you don't like isn't reason either. So you are baring false witness James, of course I say that with all due respect my brother. :) 


Bless!

Peace

Jason wrote: "when will this stop ? we should realize what we are dealing with here"

 You really want to know how to stop this brother Jason? No, seriously bro... Just stop responding to him!! I thank brother Ian for agreeing not to respond to him. Can you please do the same? I mean if you really want it to stop. Try it for two months. 

 Humbly, and with all due respect, brother James' claims towards you and Ian are correct. Your subliminal post towards James mental state, Ian with the happy clapper stuff, That is breaking the rules...  no matter what a person believes. That Is why I give much respect to brother Ian, because he acknowledges his faults, lol... Now he just got to work on trying not to respond to James, I know the fingers be itching. But more than anything, we need to be on guard of self, and make sure our post are lead by the fruits of the Spirit. I think it's really easy if we set our minds to it. 

  

Bless! 

I am glad you can see that not everyone is capable of self-governance that's where moderators come in. 

Peace

Jason wrote: " I am glad you can see that not everyone is capable of self-governance that's where moderators come in. "

  I'm not sure what you mean, maybe you care to elaborate... What I know is, we all need to let the Holy Spirit guide self, let the example of Jesus moderate us. Also, as brother JohnB has posted a number of times, there are rules that must be adhered to, the foundation of the rules are the fruits of the Spirit. 

EGW : "Let the Word of God do the cutting, the rebuking; let finite men hide and abide in Jesus Christ. Let the Spirit of Christ appear. Let all be guarded in their words, lest they place those not of our faith in deadly opposition against us, and give Satan an opportunity to use the unadvised words to hedge up our way.... – {Ev 304.4}

EGW : Treat Opponents With Respect—We must expect to meet unbelief and opposition. The truth has always had to contend with these elements. But though you should meet the bitterest opposition, do not denounce your opponents. They may think, as did Paul, that they are doing God service; and to such we must manifest patience, meekness, and long-suffering.... – {Ev 305.2}
The Lord wants His people to follow other methods than that of condemning wrong, even though the condemnation is just. He wants us to do something more than to hurl at our adversaries charges that only drive them farther from the truth. The work which Christ came to do in our world was not to erect barriers, and constantly thrust upon the people the fact that they were wrong. He who expects to enlighten a deceived people must come near to them and labor for them in love." 

If you you can't do this, then please, please stop responding to James. 

Blessings! 

James have been here a long time. Go back and see how we have tried to guide him and also exposed his many errors, but this method didn't work for many reasons which I won't go into. We should continue to deal with the issues raised because new believers  can be easily deceived. As you know people are very gullible. We may think that no one would believe  his errors but, as can be seen, he is getting the sympathy he is looking for, and persons are concluding that his beliefs are not that bad after all. We don't hate James but are trying to help him. 

I could provide numerous quotes on how to deal with such cases. Self-deception is a very deadly sin. See how difficult it is to convince others of their errors. There are many beliefs that as a church we don't believe, but some members here hold dearly. We are fighting tooth and nail to eradicate from our Churches these false  beleifs. It's better to remove the bad apple than allow it to spoiled the bunch.

As you said you can ignore his threads if this is the way you believe he should be dealt with. Whichever way other choose to handle it is just as valid but the best way is based on the principle of the Bible. An emotional response is never safe or effective. Let the Spirit guides us and let's use our brains. We should be wise as a serpent and harmless as a done. 

Peace

EGW wrote: ".... we must manifest patience, meekness, and long-suffering.... – {Ev 305.2}

  No matter how long, the point is, you must maintain a Christ discourse.

Blessings!    

Yes, and that's what I have been doing? 

Peace

 Jason wrote: "... that's what I have been doing?"

Really, you believe that huh? Very interesting. Let's see if that's true. 

 Jason wrote: "James would not go away just like that unless he is removed. I wish members here could understand what's going on here. Read between the lines of what he writes: the repetitions; the grandiosity; exaggerated sense of his own abilities and achievements; the constant need for attention, affirmation, and praise; the sense of entitlement and expectation of special treatment (even claiming that demons [or satanists] don't tread him the way he is treated here; etc . I could list more manifestations ... "

 Jason posted: "The hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding.They may also concentrate on grandiose fantasies (e.g. their own success, beauty, brilliance) and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.
People with narcissistic personality disorder believe they are superior or special, and often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way. This association enhances their self-esteem, which is typically quite fragile underneath the surface. Individuals with NPD seek excessive admiration and attention in order to know that others think highly of them. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat, and may be left feeling humiliated or empty when they experience an "injury" in the form of criticism or rejection."

 You've been breaking the rules, why are you subliminally trying to convince us that James has a Mental problem? That is a personal attack. Whether your right or wrong! No one here should be trying to diagnose a person mental faculties. You wouldn't want anyone to do it to you. 

 Hey brother JohnB, am I off base here? Is saying a person has a mental disorder acceptable here on AO, or is that breaking the rules (personal attack)? 

Blessings! 

 

Reasoning asked, "Hey brother JohnB, am I off base here? Is saying a person has a mental disorder acceptable here on AO, or is that breaking the rules (personal attack)?"

Hi Reasoning,

My first response would be that it depends on whether that person does have a mental disorder and whether it would be appropriate to mention it in a discussion. We have had members on AO who have openly stated that they have or had mental health problems and mention of those conditions has come up appropriately in discussions.

If it is not done in an appropriate, sensitive way, or is not a reasonable comment to make, then it shouldn't have any place in the conversation.

It would potentially fall foul of the first six rules, the eighth and the fourteenth.

That means breaking more than half the site rules in one statement.

so you are saying I said James is mentally ill or as you say it has a mental illness?  is this a fact? open your eyes brother Reasoning ...

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