Some Assistance Please
As many you know that I'm currently attending Southern Adventist University. This semester, I'm taking a Studies in Daniel class and I'm required to do a 12-18 pages paper from a topic that a my professor let me choose. I choose "The validity of the 457BC decree to rebuilt Jerusalem" I need to find at least 10 different sources (3 or 4 internet source, 1 from Ellen White, may use the scriptures but not counted as a source). One more thing, the paper can be a theological, different interpretations to argue that the SDA church are correct.I was wondering if you have had any source suggestions for me so I can get started. Thank you so much in advanced!
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel Rodriguez de Espinoza on -
Thanks for your reply, well the article by John Andrews talks about the 70 weeks prophecy of the Messiah. I am looking for the validity of the 457BC to restore Jerusalem. I do appreciate your response, though. =)
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First, thanks for sharing this with us. That would be handy to know.
What kind of source? History books? Commentaries?
It might take some time but looking through the pioneer's writings should give historical sources...try Uriah Smith's Daniel and Revelation on that chapter.
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The note in the D and R gives, Analysis of Sacred Chronology, by S. Bliss and A Chronological Synopsis of the Four Gospels by Dr. Karl Wieseler p. 183.
By Bliss, and can be found under the pioneer writings of the Ellen White writings beta, https://egwwritings.org/
“‘In the consulate of Tiberius Cæsar Aug. V. and Ælius Sejanus, (U. C. 784, A. D. 31,) our Lord Jesus Christ suffered on the eighth of the Calends of April, (twenty-fifth March,) when there happened such an eclipse of the sun as was never before nor since.’ {ASC 173.1}“In this year, and in this day, agree also the Council of Cæsarea, A. D. 196, or 198; the Alexandrian Chronicle, Maximus Monachus, Nicephorus Constantinus, Cedrenus; and in this year, but on different days, concur Eusebius and Epiphanius, followed by Kepler, Bucher, Patinus, and Petavius, some reckoning it the tenth of the Calends of April, others the thirteenth. Amidst this variety of days, we may look on the twenty-sixth or twenty-seventh of March as the most probable. {ASC 173.2}“And, indeed, that the passover of the crucifixion was an early one, may be collected from the circumstance of ‘the servants and officers having made a fire of coals in the hall of the high priest’s house, for it was cold, at which they and Peter warmed themselves.” John 18:19. Luke 22:55. Mark 14:54. Whereas, the passovers of the two ensuing years, A. D. 32, April 14, and A. D. 33, April 3, were later in the season, and probably milder. {ASC 173.3}“The preternatural darkness at the crucifixion, was accompanied by an earthquake, which altogether struck the spectators, and among them the centurion and Roman guard, with great fear, and a conviction that Jesus was the Son of God. Matthew 27:51-54. {ASC 174.1}“The apostolical father, Ignatius, a disciple of John the Evangelist, and Bishop of Antioch, the second in succession from Peter, who suffered martyrdom in the reign of Trajan, A. D. 107, in his epistle to the Trallians, gives the following curious and valuable testimony; (Cotelerius, Patres Apostol., tom. ii, p. 68):- {ASC 174.2}“‘God the Word-having lived in the world three decads of years,-was baptized by John truly, and not seemingly; and having preached the gospel three years, and wrought signs and wonders, he, the Judge, was judged by the false Jews and Pilate; was scourged, smitten on the cheek, spit upon, wore a crown of thorns and a purple robe, was condemned, was crucified, truly, not seemingly, nor in appearance, nor by deception; he died truly, and was buried, and was raised from the dead,’ etc. {ASC 174.3}“And this is confirmed by the testimony of Eusebius, the learned Bishop of Cæsarea, who flourished about A. D. 300, in his ‘Demonstratio Evangelica,’ page 400. {ASC 174.4}“‘It is recorded in history, that the whole time of our Saviour’s teaching and miracles was three years and a half, which is the half of a week [of years.] This, John the Evangelist will represent to those who critically attend to his gospel. One week of years, then, may be reckoned the whole time of his continuance with his apostles, both before his passion, and after his resurrection from the dead; for it is written, that, until his passion, he showed himself to all, disciples and not disciples; during which time, by his doctrines and extraordinary cures, he showed the powers of his Godhead to all without distinction, both Greeks and Jews; and also after his resurrection from the dead, he was with his disciples and apostles, as it is reasonable to think, an equal number of years; ‘being seen of them forty days, and conversing with them, and telling them the things pertaining to the kingdom of God,’ as contained in the Acts of the Apostles. So that this is the ‘one week of years’ signified by the prophecy, [of the seventy weeks in Daniel,] during which ‘he confirmed the covenant with many;’ namely, by strengthening the new covenant of the gospel-preaching. And who were ‘the many’ with whom he confirmed it? Plainly his disciples and apostles, and all those of the Hebrews that believed on him. Moreover, ‘in the half of this one week,’ in which he confirmed the covenant disclosed to the many, ‘was the sacrifice taken away,’ and the libation, and ‘the abomination of desolation’ began; since, in the midst of this week, after the three years and a half of his teaching, at the time of his passion, ‘the vail of the temple was rent from top to bottom;’ so that, from that time, the libation and the sacrifice were virtually taken away from them, and the abomination of desolation began to take place in the temple, that tutelary power which watched over and guarded the [holy] place from the beginning to that season, leaving them desolate.’ {ASC 175.1}“These two admirable passages, which I have given at length, in order to render justice not only to the piety, but to the critical knowledge of the facts, the mysteries, and the prophecies of Holy Writ, which they display, by their consistency and harmony with each other, not only establish the authenticity of the former, which has been reckoned among the interpolated epistles of the venerable Ignatius, but the latter especially, furnishes the best clue, perhaps, anywhere to be found, to the whole scheme of the gospel dispensation, as being the consummation of ancient prophecy, no less in its precise period of time, than in every other respect. They are, indeed, a host against all the discordant and absurd guesses, ancient or modern, about the longer or shorter duration of our Lord’s ministry, which, to compare together, bring with them their own refutation. I shall not, therefore, waste the reader’s patience, nor trespass on the limits of this apparatus, by retailing them, in order to be rejected afterwards. {ASC 176.1}“Ignatius and Eusebius both assign three years for the duration of our Lord’s public ministry.” {ASC 177.1}“Eusebius dates the first half of the Passion Week of Years as beginning with our Lord’s baptism, and ending with his crucifixion. The same period, precisely, is recorded by Peter, as including our Lord’s personal ministry: ‘All the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of [or by] John, until the day that he was taken up from us,’ at his ascension, which was only forty-three days after the crucifixion. Acts 1:21, 22. And the remaining half of the Passion Week ended with the martyrdom of Stephen, in the seventh, or last year, of the week. For it is remarkable, that the year after, A. D. 35, began a new era in the church, namely, the conversion of Saul, or Paul, the apostle, by the personal appearance of Christ to him on the road to Damascus, when he received his mission to the Gentiles, after the Jewish Sanhedrim had formally rejected Christ by persecuting his disciples. Acts 9:1-18. And the remainder of the Acts principally records the circumstances of his mission to the Gentiles, and the churches he founded among them.” Hales, vol. i., pp. 176-7, 199, 200, 205-6. {ASC 177.2}In the thirteenth century, Roger Bacon found, by computation, that the Paschal full moon, A. D. 33, fell on Friday; and this circumstance led him, and several others, Scaliger, Usher, Pearson, etc., to conclude that this was the year of the crucifixion. The accuracy of the astronomical calculation has been repeatedly verified; and “this circumstance,” says Dr. Hales, “proves that it was not the year of the crucifixion; for the true Paschal moon was the day before, Thursday, when Christ celebrated the Passover with his disciples.” Vol. ii., page 205. {ASC 177.3}The Saviour eat the passover the night previous to his crucifixion, which took place on Friday, for “that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54. On the third day following-on the first day of the week, he rose triumphant from the tomb-the pledge of the resurrection of the dead. {ASC 178.1}Dr. Hales, Usher, and Pearson, place the martyrdom of Stephen, and the commencement of the first persecution, in A. D. 34. {ASC 178.2}With this act Dr. Hales closes the “one week” of Daniel 9:27, during which Christ should “confirm the covenant with many.” The conversion of Saul, Hales, Usher, Pearson, and others, assign to A. D. 35. {ASC 178.3}Caius Caligula succeeded Tiberius, and reigned, according to the Canon of Ptolemy, four years from A. D. 36. {ASC 178.4} etc.Dr. Karl Wieseler's bookAnother group I belong to is one that would certainly know. I started a topic over there and will give you whatever sources they list. Good luck and please do share with us when you have what you need, for our edification. :)
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel Rodriguez de Espinoza on
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That looks very interesting. I need to know the name of the author, publisher, etc so I can add the information in my bibliography, thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel Rodriguez de Espinoza on
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This talks about the prophecy of the Messiah. I'm going to talk to my professor about my paper for clarification but I do appreciate everyone help including yours Teresa. Blessings!
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Permalink Reply by teresa on
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Yes, it does talk about the prophecy of the Messiah, but I'm thinking based on my research so far, that it is easier to prove the dates of Christ's ministry - which are dated from 457 BC - and count backwards, then it is to prove the date itself from contemporary sources of that era.
I haven't been able to find anything, so far, that deals with that date exclusively - with sources - other than the biblical proofs. I don't think I supplied that, but can if you like.
457 BC isn't just the start for the 2300 days, it is also the start for the Messiah's coming, reign and death.
Anyway, don't exlude them...they seem to be your best bet.
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Permalink Reply by teresa on
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Lloyd, William An Exposition of the Prophecy of Seventy Weeks, a very old book with old english spelling is scanned into Heidi Heiks site http://www.thesourcehh.org/daniel.htm scroll down to the very bottom to "Daniel Books". The other books in that category might be of help.
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Permalink Reply by Gabriel Rodriguez de Espinoza on
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Yikes! I can barely see on some of pages but I'll do my best.
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Permalink Reply by teresa on
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Tell me about it, but if you can get through it it could be one of your sources. It's from 16??.
Just in case you didn't already know, in that time what looks like the letter "f" was pronounced as "s". That may help in the reading. And that words were spelled phonetically according to the author's best understanding. There was no uniform spelling til Webster, I believe, centuries later.
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