Taking Ellen White literally ...

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Permalink Reply by N Him on October 1, 2009 at 1:33pm

Well said. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And yes, there is SO much we can learn by sharing our personal beliefs and testimonies.

Permalink Reply by TLafferty on October 12, 2009 at 4:56pm

Here is a statement .... (NOT directed at any one in particular .... but a solemn warning and needful of our attention !! ... time is short ... how do we get home? we must be on the way home right ? ) from the Testimonies Vol 5 ; Please read!! this statement is from the pen of Ellen G. White .. .(we need to be sober and vigilent for your adversary is going about as a roaring Lion seeking whom he ay devour) ...commenting on the last judgements brought on the people of the last days of this earths history.... The chapter is called the Sealing ...

"The crisis is fast approaching. The rapidly swelling figures show that the time for God's visitation has about come. Although loath to punish, nevertheless He will punish, and that speedily. Those who walk in the light will see signs of the approaching peril; but they are not to sit in quiet, unconcerned expectancy of the ruin, comforting themselves with the belief that God will shelter His people in the day of visitation. Far from it. They should realize that it is their duty to labor diligently to save others, looking with strong faith to God for help. "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." {5T 209.2}
The leaven of godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But more especially will their prayers arise in behalf
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of the church because its members are doing after the manner of the world. {5T 209.3}
The earnest prayers of this faithful few will not be in vain. When the Lord comes forth as an avenger, He will also come as a protector of all those who have preserved the faith in its purity and kept themselves unspotted from the world. It is at this time that God has promised to avenge His own elect which cry day and night unto Him, though He bear long with them. {5T 210.1}
The command is: "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof." These sighing, crying ones had been holding forth the words of life; they had reproved, counseled, and entreated. Some who had been dishonoring God repented and humbled their hearts before Him. But the glory of the Lord had departed from Israel; although many still continued the forms of religion, His power and presence were lacking. {5T 210.2}
In the time when His wrath shall go forth in judgments, these humble, devoted followers of Christ will be distinguished from the rest of the world by their soul anguish, which is expressed in lamentation and weeping, reproofs and warnings. While others try to throw a cloak over the existing evil, and excuse the great wickedness everywhere prevalent, those who have a zeal for God's honor and a love for souls will not hold their peace to obtain favor of any. Their righteous souls are vexed day by day with the unholy works and conversation of the unrighteous. They are powerless to stop the rushing torrent of iniquity, and hence they are filled with grief and alarm. They mourn before God to see religion despised in the very homes of those who have had great light. They lament and afflict their souls because pride, avarice, selfishness, and deception of almost every kind are in the church. The Spirit
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of God, which prompts to reproof, is trampled underfoot, while the servants of Satan triumph. God is dishonored, the truth made of none effect. {5T 210.3}
The class who do not feel grieved over their own spiritual declension, nor mourn over the sins of others, will be left without the seal of God. The Lord commissions His messengers, the men with slaughtering weapons in their hands: "Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." {5T 211.1}
Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together. {5T 211.2}
The abominations for which the faithful ones were sighing and crying were all that could be discerned by finite eyes, but by far the worst sins, those which provoked the jealousy of the pure and holy God, were unrevealed. The great Searcher of hearts knoweth every sin committed in secret by the workers of iniquity. These persons come to feel secure in their deceptions and, because of His long-suffering, say that the Lord
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seeth not, and then act as though He had forsaken the earth. But He will detect their hypocrisy and will open before others those sins which they were so careful to hide. {5T 211.3}
No superiority of rank, dignity, or worldly wisdom, no position in sacred office, will preserve men from sacrificing principle when left to their own deceitful hearts. Those who have been regarded as worthy and righteous prove to be ring-leaders in apostasy and examples in indifference and in the abuse of God's mercies. Their wicked course He will tolerate no longer, and in His wrath He deals with them without mercy. {5T 212.1}
It is with reluctance that the Lord withdraws His presence from those who have been blessed with great light and who have felt the power of the word in ministering to others. They were once His faithful servants, favored with His presence and guidance; but they departed from Him and led others into error, and therefore are brought under the divine displeasure. {5T 212.2}
The day of God's vengeance is just upon us. The seal of God will be placed upon the foreheads of those only who sigh and cry for the abominations done in the land. Those who link in sympathy with the world are eating and drinking with the drunken and will surely be destroyed with the workers of iniquity. "The eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." {5T 212.3}"

May the Lord Help His Children to so prepare themselves and be ready is my prayer !!

Permalink Reply by N Him on October 12, 2009 at 5:07pm

This might be a good topic for you to start a new thread on since I fail to see how it relates to this one at all except for agitation literally.

Permalink Reply by TLafferty on October 12, 2009 at 4:20pm

For some questions there are no answers .... for instance in the Testimonies Iread once a comment regardng the question why Sin and suffering and how can God let this go on ... and the answer was clear and very astute ....
There is no answer ... and when Jesus asks the question.... why have you stollen my subjects ? He ( Satan) will have no answer ,,, cause there isn't one ..... Sin should not Exist ....

Permalink Reply by Kim Shay on October 12, 2009 at 4:32pm

Please, brothers and sisters, think of your intent BEFORE you write.
If it's Love, write on.
If it is anything else, hold still.
In marriage counseling, arguing gets us nowhere. Like a counselor would say, "so, you are right. And
how's that working for you?"
Loving and Glorifying God, and Loving each other, is what we were created for.

Permalink Reply by TLafferty on October 12, 2009 at 4:28pm

N Him ..... I saw invites to these forums ... and was genuinly interested in seing what was being said and communicated... I saw indeed a lot of what seemed to be friction and non unity .... And I ask you how do we come to that ? certainly not by brow beating each other ,,,,argueing and bickerng . **? I would say this depends on wheather the comment needs/deserves to be taken literally .or not ... and I have seen so little of what has been given in these messages that can actually be taken any other way .... unless the Woman was not serious ... the exposure of simbolic things are there revealed ... How else do you take a solmn warning and the opening of truth to the understanding ? I find no phesecious ....(perhaps this spelling is wrong ) or light / silly comments.... so Why should I laugh at anything she wrote ? Personal testimony is geat !! but malicious or unkind statements directed unnesseserily at others in their blogs or forums and questions.if not in genuine love for the seeker of truth ? ... Should I have seen an quallity in sprit toward others as well ? I hope so ,,, for I believe here the goal is to understand what is the Truth for our time ... for the salvation of souls ... God bless here I pray ...

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Permalink Reply by N Him on October 12, 2009 at 5:09pm

Since this thread is being taken over with the purpose of rebuke which is not what I had intended ... I am closing discussions.

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