I posted this in the video section "Meet Leo Schreven"
what did he die of
he is very young to die
he is was 51
the family wont say
and i can understand why
there is an aweful rumour thAT HE KILLED HIMSELF witha gun
and that is even more upsetting
since suicide is not the unpardonable sin
i have great hope that we will meet him in the air
i hope he didnt commit suicide
God alone understands the matter
my gay christian buddy loved his presentations on 3ABN years ago!
loved his testimony too and was I just sharing that over thanksgiving with some friends!!!
It's evidently not a rumour. Leo's brother is the one saying it on Facebook. Tragic!
Quite obviously, he lost faith, with tragic consequences. However, neither you nor I know anything about what happened to his relationship with God. God does have all power!
Only God knows the truth about what happend in this pitiful man's heart and mind. It's a good example of how we have to leave the judgment to God and simply love people as Jesus did. What happened with Leo should also serve to show us all how important it is to keep a close relationship with Jesus Christ, because every one of us, apart from God, is capable of doing the most shocking, evil things.
Is it not possible he had major depression from stress. Also many times the very inteligent have a breakdown ... If I was bipolar or got schizophrenia and could not reason to control my thoughts an committed suicide - are you saying My relationship with God was for nothing ( in the toilet) I Don't think so...
Yes indeed, Jack... he must have suffered major depression, and lost all hope. A terrible, terrible situation, especially for a man whose work was so public.
I think we all accept that there is no "once saved always saved"... Any of us, having "tasted of the heavenly gift... and [tasted of] the powers of the world to come" can fall away and lose salvation. But is it not true that our previous experience with God counts for nothing in the day that we fall away and yield to despair?
Eze 3:20 "Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity...he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered..."
Very tragic, Very emotive.
How can you or I tell if someone is saved? Only the Lord looks on the heart.
It is noted that the passage states, "I never knew you".
Again, from Ezk. 3:20 it states, "his righteousness".
Point: If one is the Lord's, he is the Lord's, but we can't know at this stage who is and who is not. EGW will say that the Lord God does the "keeping" also.
Notwithstanding that only God knows, the ones we see doing so in the Bible are never spoken highly of thereafter (Judas, Saul). What does EGW say regarding, and what do we want to teach regarding the subject?
Consider also that it is possible that the act of taking one's life is an absolute rejection of the Spirit of the Lord, and a show of anger.
[Why on Sabbath, one may ask?]
I though, find it hard to believe as I knew him as always smiling.
Your comments are so sad and disrespectful. We are humans not GOD. We all have hard times and we can only take so much. Try to stand in somebody else's shoes before you can judge that person.
This is on Bildad J Gallagher post!
"We all have hard times and we can only take so much."
"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." I Corinthians 10:13 NKJV
Will you blame God, Nina, that Leo may be justified?
No I would never blame God for anything, we all make our choices , good or bad. But we cant go around and make bad comments about Leo, for we dont know what happen and what was going in his life. That is all.