Now before anyone gets upset, I did not post this for controversy. I came across this in other research and I watched the whole thing. I am looking for answers, for truth. I really enjoy the books I have read by Ellen, however I do not hold her above the bible or follow every word, I feel some statements from her are just her own opinion’s. This video is about 2 SDA’S born and raised. They left the church when they discovered some lies and cover ups from the church on Ellen White. They do bring up some good points and maybe someone can explain them to me. The test of a real prophet does she pass? Some of the things they mentioned do sound cultish, unfortunately. If you want to comment on this thread please watch the video or at least the first part, so we can discuss their accusations in a rational intelligent manner, thanks.
Are you saying questioning some of EGW writings is blasphemy?
Hi Timber ! Looks like you don,t understand Sevent-day adventist Truth or our history or read any of EW books ,to believe any thing ,that any body says about our GOD sent messenger .. Go ahead and read some of her writings ,so that you know very well what a wonderfull guide we have to lead us to CHRIST . There are lot of EX Adventists out there ( For some personel enmity with our Church ) to destroy our well founded Truth . You don't have to bring their betrayel to our platform ,to corupt our young Adventist mind . I don't have any angry with them ( they are there ,that is what the are ) but on you .
Thank you for your thoughts Shadrach.
It is one thing to be faced with a heckler – somebody full of open contempt and abuse.
“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” (Prov 26:4) Sometimes silence is the best answer. (Certainly better than giving 'fire' for 'fire'.)
But Mrs. White does teach that in some situations people should be “allowed to express their objections freely”. (Evangelism p.463) Let’s not ignore them when they bring specific, rational, protests or objections. And let’s remember that “disturbers of the peace” are not necessarily bad.
“The true peace will come among God's people when...the false peace that exists to a large degree is disturbed.” (3Selected Messages p.20)
God is still giving us opportunities to learn and to grow. And as a people, I believe we still need to learn what it is to have "the everlasting gospel".
“The whole gospel is comprised in learning of Christ His meekness and lowliness.” (20MR 117)
Thank you Shadrach.
I have heard this is a informative site for questions, challenges, etc., regarding Sister White. Check out:
I agree with you. I think Ellen White is great woman and I think she has many great insights on how Christians should live their lives. I don't think everything she says comes straight from God and I don't hold her writings anywhere near the Bible. She is great women of God though.
Ya Mike, I agree but I have seen some people take things to a another level and it gets kooky. In this video they talk about people bowing down to Ellen, replacing Jesus. I have seen that.
Are the writings she copied from others inspired?
They may be !
She didn't copy, but admittedly quoted people, as many well versed people do..
She quoted them, because she had a third grade education, and at many points thought that someone else expressed the point she was trying to get accost better than she could.
When you quote someone to express your own sentiment, does that make you a liar, or mean that it was not your thought?
The charge of plagiarism, or literary theft, is made against Ellen White in connection with two books—Sketches From the Life of Paul, and The Great Controversy. It is seldom that any other work or passage is cited, although it is insinuated by critics that large portions of all her writings were the product of the minds and pens of others. Is the insinuation justified? This much is certain: If there were works other than the two specified that would help the critic to build up his case, he would not hesitate or fail to use them. Consequently, the problem of the accusation of plagiarism may be regarded as limited to these books.
Did Ellen White borrow from the writings of others in the preparation of these books? —Yes, she did. Did this borrowing constitute plagiarism? — We think not. Actually, there are two phases to the matter of plagiarism—the moral and the legal. Morally, the major question is: Was there an attempt on the part of the author to deceive her readers into thinking that the material she had borrowed was completely her own? Take Sketches From the Life of Paul, for example:
The first notice of the publication of Sketches to appear in the Review and Herald was in the issue of October 9, 1883. In the advertisement the publishers called particular attention to the book from which critics say Ellen White copied large portions—Conybeare and Howson’s The Life and Epistles of St. Paul. The publishers of the Review and Herald said: "While the well-known work of Conybeare and Howson completely outstrips all its predecessors as a full and reliable history of the life and epistles of Paul, even that excellent book comes altogether short of taking the place of this humble volume." To all intent and purposes they were inviting comparison of the two books. But what about Mrs. White? Was she as free as her publishers to direct attention to the Conybeare and Howson book, or did she try to prevent people from reading it so that they might not discover that she had used some material from it?
Only a few months before the Review and Herald notice of the publication of Mrs. White’s Sketches, there was widespread promotion of the Conybeare and Howson book as a premium with subscriptions to the Review and Herald and the Signs of the Times. Mrs. White did her part in helping the promotion of the book by writing a statement that was included in the Signs of the Times of February 22, 1883. "The Life of St. Paul"by Conybeare and Howson, I regard as a book of great merit, and one of rare usefulness to the earnest student of the New Testament." Certainly none can say justifiably that Mrs. White tried to hide the fact that she had used some material from the other book on the life of Paul. There was no attempt on her part to deceive her readers.
What about the legal phase of the matter? Did she use so much that the value of the older book was diminshed or that she appropriated the labor of its authors to their injury? F. D. Nichol’s thorough investigation of the extent and nature of the matter used reveals that both of these questions must be answered negatively. What was used was not excessive in amount and was background material related only indirectly to the development of the spiritual theme found in Sketches From the Life of Paul.
What has been said of Sketches could also be said of The Great Controversy. The books from which historical material was quoted or paraphrased were books that were in many Seventh-day Adventists’ libraries, some of them books Mrs. White had highly recommended to be read by the members of the church. Again there was no attempt to deceive. And legally, neither the amount of material nor the use made of it justifies any question. Morally or legally there is no problem of Plagiarism. See Ellen White and Her Critics for a fuller discussion and full documentation.
I don't think its bowing down,I think its trying not to make a non-effect of the word of God.