THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PERSONS WITHIN AND WITHOUT THE SDA CHURCH WHO ARE STILL CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER THE HOLY SPIRIT IS:
A PART OF THE GODHEAD
A PERSON OR A FORCE
PLEASE EXPLAIN SO THAT WE CAN HELP OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND.
Leslie Ann has correctly stated, "believing in the trinity is denying that Jesus is truly the Son of God.” This is clearly shown in the bible.
Romans 8:16-17 says,
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
The saints are never joint-heirs with the Holy Spirit, why? Because it is not a God person, only the Elohim is God (God, and Christ) as shown in John 1:1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Claiming the Holy Spirit as a God person, destroys the true Godhead which is the Father and the Son, and it denies us our sonship in the Godhead through Christ.
Galatians 4:7 speaks to this again very clearly saying, “Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”
Roman 8:16 says, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit…”
Job 8:32 explains how this is so, and says
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
The Spirit of God, the Spirit of Holiness is the Power of His Will, the pure consciousness of God self which gives us understanding through our own human spirit which is the image of God we are created in. So, this should clear to anyone. It is not a God person, but God"s power acting upon God’s will.
I’m not sure what she meant by "if jesus is truly the son of god then he cannot be co eternal...." I’m waiting for her to answer, but I do agree with her as I have noted.
The Holy Spirit is referred to “he” but it is also referred to as “it” and as water and oil and as a dove. No, I am not mixed up, the bible describes who God is but people like yourself is afraid to let go of these false teaching. You cannot show a Holy Spirit God in the bible, because there is none. Only the Father and the Son is God and this is why we are heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.
“Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”
The dove came direct from the throne it was the Father himself taking on the form of a dove meaning it was not really a dove but a form
Matthew 28:19 was a text altered go research it...the original text stated to be baptized in the name of Jesus....Jesus is the one who died for us not the Father not a Holy Spirit.
Look through the book of acts and you would see that is only in the name of Jesus the apostles baptized people.
That text was altered by rome its there for people to research and they admit to doing it
Jason nice to see you still have your spunk!!
I do not believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead and yes it is sda teaching but it was not always so...
The holy spirit is used by the Father and Son yes we agree on this but its Jesus himself in another form not another person.
Jesus cannot be the son of God and still be coeternal...He had to have had a beginning
If we believe Father and Son are both co eternal and self existent then we are denying the father and son relationship...
Leslie Ann I see you have a different theory of faith regarding the Holy Spirit...
Perhaps you might like to discuss why this is so....I am kind and gentle...my email address is email@example.com
I grew up reading my paper KJV Bible with a paper concordance just like any normal Christian might. One day while attending a country church I was invited by the elder to some secret meetings. It was about James Stump who came from USA to Australia in 2003 to speak to us in a humble way about the Holy Spirit as a force of the Father, thus there are only two members of the Godhead. I read his large paper book and was struck by how little I knew about Scripture. So I prayed to God for an answer to this question. God impressed me to buy an electronic Bible for $20. And when it arrived I discovered I could read Hebrew and Greek in interlinear ways easily and find the read Hebrew meanings of Scripture. After some hundreds of hours of study and research, I was ready to answer my Elder, but he refused to listen. I sent my child like studies to my scholars in the Church and they threw out my conclusions (this was in 2007)
The question I asked GOD was where are you described as three co-eternal Beings in the oldest book of he Bible, so I can show others there was always three co-eternal Beings since Creation of Earth ever happened, so refute the Restitution Ministries theory of faith?
God gave me this answer:
Job 40:1 ¶ Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Here we see "YHWH" "Eloah" and "Shadday"
http://spiritualsprings.org/ss-931.htm Hebrew study of Shadday
http://spiritualsprings.org/ss-1069.htm What SOP thinks about Shadday
http://spiritualsprings.org/ss-1407.htm A detailed SOP study of the Shadday
These links will get you started on differences between our theories....
God bless your studies
Your welcome to bring any SOP of Scripture quote to AO if your wish...
Thank you for sharing. I praise God that He personally instructs us and will teach us and inform us of things that few others know or understand. It does not matter if we are a janitor or farm laborer God himself will teach us and it is sufficient that only we know what he has taught us, even if no one or very few understand. Later our faith may be strengthened by what we know.