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***  Note from Adventist Online:  The following post contains falsehoods that cannot be proven from scripture.  It contradicts the truth about the Seventh-day Sabbath established at creation, affirmed in the Ten Commandments, and that Christ, all the prophets, and you and I keep Holy.  We have left this discussion intact so you can learn more about the basis of your faith.  Your study will show the following lunar calendar theory to be false and not Biblical as this post claims.  ***

THE LUNI-SOLAR CALENDAR IS BIBLICAL

The subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of the disappointment of 1844. It opened to view a complete system of truth, connected and harmonious, showing that God's hand had directed the great advent movement and revealing present duty as it brought to light the position and work of His people. The Great Controversy, p.423.

If the subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of 1844, would it not be wise to refer constantly to this wonderful, complete, connected and harmonious system of truth to reveal more truth to us in this last period of Earth‟s history? Besides the discovery of the work of our Great High Priest in the Most Holy Place and the commencement of the hour of judgment on October 22, 1844, the Millerites were also given a most important revelation regarding the sanctuary that almost came back to life in 1939.

Following the request of Pastor Wierts in the 1920 era, the General Conference of the SDA Church set up a Committee to re-visit the date of October 22, 1844. At that time, the Rabbinical Jews were questioning our stand on the Great Day of Atonement date in 1844, because according to the Jews it was celebrated on September 23 in 1844. The full collection of the research and data‟s of this Committee is available at Andrews University in Michigan.

It is called: the Grace Amadon Collection. The research is composed of 3000 pages and more on the subject of astronomy and the calculations of the Millerites to arrive at the true date of October 22, 1844. More specifically, the luni-solar calendar and the beginning of the year according to the Barley Harvest Mosaic law were re-discovered by William Miller and his associates. That in-depth study of the luni-solar calendar led them to the Karaites whom in the 8th century AD stood against the Rabbinical Jews who had long compromised the calculation of the calendar of the festivals of the Lord as they do to this day, by using the new moon after the vernal equinox instead of the new moon corresponding to the barley harvest.

Moses commanded that they should not even reap their barley until the first fruits of it had been offered to the Lord at the time of the Passover. Sidersky adds, "The aim of the Mosaic command was to regulate the months according to the course of the moon, and the whole year in accordance with the course of the sun -- by assigning as a starting point the lunar month coinciding with the beginning of a determined solar season." That determined solar season was still the barley harvest in the time of Christ. Later on, as after the dispersion of the Jews, the Sanhedrin did not content itself to observe the maturity of the barley, but added to it the observation and the calculation of the equinox.

The ceremony of the barley was the divine rule by which the position of the month Nisan (or first month Abib) was located... Such a provision as the barley-harvest control of the year thrusts definite certainty into Jewish reckoning in the time of Christ--- which held on until the Jews were scattered after the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70). By this rule, we know that the Nisan paschal moon could not come until the rains were over and the barley ripe. On those two counts, a Passover in Dystrius, the ancient name for March, is out -- for all the reports on agriculture and meteorology in Palestine, ancient and modern, show that March is the month for the latter rain, and that the barley ripens in April.
Grace Amadon Collection Part V Crucifixion Date, page 8.

1844 PROBLEM AND SOLUTION: THE LUNI-SOLAR CALENDAR
In 1844, for the first time since the end of the 70 weeks, a problem in luni-solar reckoning directly related to the ministry of Christ, came up for solution. This problem reverted to the original Mosaic types, and therefore the calendar measure had to be a replica of the primitive Mosaic year. The following astronomical details were a necessary foundation for laying out this luni-solar calendar:
1) The appointed Jewish feasts dates;
2) New moon and full moon dates, as found in standard tables;
3) Form and lengths of the Jewish year -- common and embolismic;
4) Position of the moon in the heavens, and her times of setting; and
5) Difference in time between meridians.

The dates of the Jewish festivals, in Jewish time, are found in the Bible. They were given to Moses when he was in the mount with God. The book of Exodus, II Chronicles, II Kings, and the prophecy of Jeremiah contain definite dates for important events. Many such are found also in the prophecies of Ezekiel, Haggai, and Zechariah. They are all lunar time. These chronological references all go to show that the Jewish people, throughout the centuries, had a dependable calendar system, with its related festivals according to which events were reliably recorded. The feasts themselves occupied a period of more than half the Hebrew year, concerning which Moses had received instructions direct from God.

For nearly forty years Moses remained with Israel (and this was before they entered the Promised Land), and was thus responsible for the operation of these institutions which became an integral part of the Jewish polity. These were far-reaching in purpose, for God's original plan provides that all the families of the earth should come up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. But a common center of worship in the earth, when, from one new moon to another, by lunar reckoning, and from one Sabbath to another, by solar reckoning, all flesh would come to worship before God, shows that a luni-solar time system can be world-embracing in performance. Two millenniums after the world was created, Moses wrote that both great lights -- the moon as well as the sun -- were for days and years. The lunar year therefore had a part in the great plan of creation and is taken note of in the pages of Holy Writ.
Grace Amadon Collection - Solar Time, page 6.

THE LUNI-SOLAR BARLEY HARVEST MOSAIC CALENDAR RESTORED IN 1844
Following the Biblically and astronomically sound original Karaites reckoning for the true Jewish sacred year, the Adventist leaders fix upon October 22 as the true 10th day of the true 7th month by applying this direct and simple formula: As the true "first month" began with the appearance of the new moon in April 1844, so the true "seventh month" in that year must begin with the appearance of the corresponding new moon after its change on the evening of October 11, the new moon becoming visible on the 13th, as every current calendar informed them. Therefore, they declared, the 10th day of the 7th month would fall upon October 22, New England-time reckoning. The time calculations for the specific day were complicated by the fact that not only does the Jewish sacred year differ from our Gregorian --- running from April to April, instead of from January to January -- but the Jewish or Biblical day is from sunset to sunset, instead of our arbitrary civil reckoning from midnight to midnight. All calculations must therefore accord with Biblical reckoning, and then be translated into our present Gregorian calendar, civil-time reckoning. All becomes clear when the inevitable relationship between Jewish and civil time is grasped... No intricate mathematical or astronomical calculation was necessary, so the Adventist position was easily understood by the common people.

Nevertheless, a scholarly mastery of the astronomical and chronological aspects of the question was a conspicuous characteristic of Millerites leadership and literature. It was because of this that their argument could not be gainsaid by the scholars of the time.

Definite note is taken, in the Midnight Cry of October 3, of the fact that the Rabbinate Jews had already observed September 23 as the 10th day of the 7th month, and that this was doubtless a month too early. In the same journal on October 11, we read; "The day (of Atonement) is observed by the Jews more than any other in the year, though they observe it one month earlier than the true time, as we think it is evident from the fact that barley is not ripe in Judea on the 16th day of the first month, as they reckon time; but the law of Moses required a sheaf to be waved before the Lord on that day." No Adventists looked for the Second Advent on September 23, the Rabbinate date, because for a year and a half they had all been following the Karaites reckoning for the sacred year -- both for the Jewish year 1843, and for 1844 -- which reckoning placed the first Jewish month in April, and in consequence the seventh month in October --- and therefore not in September.

Grace Amadon Collection, Report of Committee on historical basis, involvements and validity of the October 22, 1844 position. Part II. Chronological Development page 24-26 (excerpts).

THE CALENDAR IS IN THE SANCTUARY
The sanctuary was not given to Moses after sin as an after-thought in the mind of the Creator. The Bible is clear that the plan of salvation, as so wonderfully pictured in the sanctuary, was before the foundation of the world. The calendar Moses gave to the Israelites can be easily found throughout the sanctuary as it forms the very physiology or functioning of the Jewish economy. All of their festivals including the 7th day Sabbath were represented in the sanctuary through the pieces of furniture, sacrifices and ceremonies. (Numbers 28, Leviticus 23).

This calendar, based on the luni-solar Barley Harvest Mosaic law, was revealed to the Millerites to be restored for the last generation. This is indeed the fulfillment of Daniel 7:25, "He shall think to change times and laws".  

Christ not only kept the Sabbath as it was his custom, but also the Feasts that He himself instituted in order to teach the full and complete plan of salvation. We can follow Him in the sanctuary as the Passover Lamb offered on the cross in the Court, to His ascension and High Priesthood coronation in the Holy Place in heaven, with the sending of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to confirm it, and the Great Day of Atonement in the Most Holy Place entry on October 22, 1844. We only need for Him to stand up and come out of the Most Holy Place after the judgment of the living saints is done, probation to close. And He returns in the cloud of glory to take us Home.

Christ not only kept the festivals but He is the fulfillment of the Feasts as He:
  • Died on Passover AD 31 Abib 14. As established by the Millerites through the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 and 9:24-27.
  • Rested on Unleavened Bread Abib 15, which is also a 7th day Sabbath by luni-solar calendar reckoning.
  • Resurrected on Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost fifty days after Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Inspired the Millerites from 1834-1844 to give the Trumpets sound, which will be repeated through the Loud Cry under the Sunday Law still to come.
  • Entered the Most Holy Place on the Great Day of Atonement on October 22, 1844, to begin the judgment of the dead, while soon, no one knows how soon, the judgment of the living will start.
  • And is coming again to take us Home at the Feast of Tabernacles.
The Heavenly Father wants to sanctify us on His Sabbaths. (Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12). These are His Sabbaths including the 7th day Sabbath. Numbers chapter 28 indicates clearly the calendar of the sanctuary along with Leviticus 23. The calendar of the Creator can be found:
  • Daily Genesis 1 and 2
  • Weekly Genesis 1 and 2
  • Monthly Genesis 7 and 8; Exodus 9, 12
  • Yearly Exodus 9: 31, 32; Leviticus 23; Numbers 28 Sabbatical Year Leviticus 25
  • Jubilee year Leviticus 25
  • Millennium Revelation 20
The luni-solar week is as such:
New Moon 1st of the month
7th Day Sabbath The 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th respectively

All of the Feasts are to be fulfilled in the believers who follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes. It is false to declare that these Feasts were finished at the cross, since the Great Day of Atonement has been proclaimed by the Adventists only since 1844. Except for Passover, Christ still fulfilled them after His death in resting on Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) and resurrecting on Abib 16 (Firstfruits). The type of the Passover Lamb met the antitype at the cross. Passover was fulfilled and replaced by the Lord`s Supper. No longer is there a need for a lamb to be sacrificed. Christ is the Lamb of God. However, the other feasts types met their antitype after the cross and were not nailed to the cross.

RESPONSE TO ELDER ANGEL RODRIGUEZ: WHAT ABOUT A LUNAR SABBATH? PREPARED BY: Odette Boily August 2008 (excerpts)

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Ok, so then why did it take from 46BC to sometime the mid AD 300's before the Hebrews to switch to the solar calendar and accept the solar week of seven?

Greetings Connie!

We know exactly how the weekly cycle came into existence.  God made it during creation week.  1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day, 6th day, 7th day = Sabbath.  This seven day continuous cycle has been kept without interruption ever since.  It was reaffirmed and explained on the tablets written by God's own hand - the ten commandments.  Christ kept it.  Ellen G. White kept it and reaffirmed that it was the correct day.

 

So no calendar of any sort is needed to know what day Sabbath falls on.  It's as simple as counting to seven and then repeating.  No sacred calendar is used to calculate this - no heathen calendar is used to calculate this.  No harvest calendar is used.  No feast day calendar is used.  Just count to seven and repeat.

 

The seven day weekly cycle is simple and plainly presented in scripture and SOP.  Any other way of arriving at what day "Sabbath" falls on involves scriptural back-flips (which still don't show a basis for another method).  Any other method of arriving at what day Sabbath falls on involves throwing out the works of Ellen G. White as a messenger from God.

 

I don't want to violate plain commands given in the ten commandments nor throw out the SOP.  Thus the Seventh-day Sabbath truth is a truth that is unimpeachable.

 

God bless!

Connie said, "I can see that you have no idea how the date, calendar, and weekly cycle came into use in our culture."

 

Oh dear, those words will make you feel very embarassed when you try and explain how any calendar affects the progression of the days. You should be very careful who you accuse of ignorance lest your own lack of understanding be exposed.

 

I note that in your reply you weren't able to explain how a calendar affects the progression of the days. This is one of the biggest problems that those who believe in this doctrine have. No-one is actually able to explain how a calendar change makes any difference to the progression of the seven days through the week. Not you, or anyone else who has been promoting this theory.

 

It is the fatal blow that every single "lunar-sabbath" follower cannot explain away: the fact that no calendar ever devised has changed the progression of the days of the week. You begin with a false premise and then heap error upon error.

Alex, I am not allowed to demonstrate that connection  in this forum.

I think Ezra made a very pertinent statement.

Reminds me of the story of the anvil of God's word, no matter how many hammers came against it, it stood the test of time.

God is able to keep what he created.

d

I was told I could not discuss this issue in this forum via an email from the admin.

Greetings Sister Connie,

We did ask that you not promote the lunar sabbath.  We said "So at this point we ask that you do not promote the Lunar Sabbath.  Doing so breaks our rule #12.  Please feel free to ask any questions you want."  (See the full message we wrote to you at bottom of this post.)

 

For reference, our Site Rules and Guidelines #12 says:  "This is a site by Seventh-day Adventists for Seventh-day Adventists.  We welcome all seekers of God's truth here.  We believe that God will continue to reveal His truth to His people as time progresses.  Thus we are constantly seeking a better understanding of God and His word.  We welcome all that are doing the same. That said, if it becomes apparent that your purpose in being a member of this site is to promote a different agenda and/or sow discord among the brethren, your ability to interact with this site may be restricted."

 

We made the request to you because based on your behavior it appeared that your purpose in being in this community was to promote different beliefs than what this Seventh-day Adventist community holds to be true.  The only posts you have made are posts promoting the Lunar Sabbath and posts promoting Sacred Names theology.  Neither of these theological positions are supported by scripture, SOP, or the SDA Church.  Both beliefs are keystones of an offshoot group that has left the Adventist Church but continues to proselytize it's members.

 

When you joined Adventist Online, you answered "Yes" to this statement:  "Do you agree to uphold the principles and beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church in your conduct on this site AND follow all site rules?"  We don't feel that only promoting beliefs counter to the beliefs of the SDA church is upholding this pledge you made.  That is why we wrote to you.

 

We DO welcome all seekers of truth!  And we are open to new light.  But we have been told by SOP that any new light will not contradict the pillars of our faith.  "In every age there is a new development of truth, a message of God to the people of that generation. The old truths are essential; new truth is not independent of the old, but an unfolding of it. It is only as the old truths are understood that we can comprehend the new." (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, June 20, 1902)  “In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories...” (Ellen White, Review & Herald, May 25, 1905)

 

So if you are a seeker of truth we welcome you.  But your current behavior of only promoting two beliefs counter to scripture and counter to the SDA church is against our rules and goes against the pledge you made.

 

Blessings and prayers to you and your family.

Adventist Online

 

Here is the entire message written to you on this subject:

"Dearest sister,
We welcome you to Adventist Online with open arms and much love.  We want you to be a valued member here.  Your art is absolutely beautiful!

We do welcome all seekers of truth here.  A seeker of truth asks questions and is open to where they lead.  They are open to seeing the simple truth of the Bible.

The Seventh-day Sabbath is one such simple truth.  The seven day week is the only period of time that has no basis in the universe.  It is not based on the moon or the sun.  It is only the the length it is because God made it so at creation.  He plainly and simply began the continuous seven day cycle that we are still on today.

The ten commandments reaffirmed and further clarified this seven day cycle so that there would be no confusion.  Every prophet of God throughout history has worshiped on the seventh day and kept it holy.  Christ Himself also worshiped on the seventh-day.

Secular, Christian, and Jewish scholars alike confirm that the seven day cycle has not been altered throughout history.  There have been no days added or subtracted.

The Sabbath truth is clear to Adventists.  We have found that all evidence in scripture and the SOP points to the seventh day as being the Holy Day that God commanded us to keep.

No amount of feast day calculations will change the simple seven day cycle that God put in place at creation.

So at this point we ask that you do not promote the Lunar Sabbath.  Doing so breaks our rule #12.  Please feel free to ask any questions you want.  If we follow His Spirit, we will all be guided to the truth.

Blessings and prayers,

Adventist Online"

I don't believe that I was discussing the lunar Sabbath, I was discussing how our calendar came into being. Two different issues.

 

The Sanctuary calendar can be  demonstrated. We all know that.

The 7 day cycle can be demonstrated.

How that 7 day cycle fits in the Sanctuary calendar can be demonstrated.

the Idea of two calendars being used today is a fact. one for the Sanctuary

and one we use in our daily lives. 

 

The use of two calendars in use in the bible is a study im doing, please help.

Your first post here was supporting the Lunar Sabbath.  Every subsequent post has been supporting Sacred Names theology, the non-existence of the Holy Spirit as the third member of the Godhead, or the Lunar Calendar with the direct implication that this calendar affects the day we worship on.  All of these positions are against scripture, SOP, and the Adventist Church beliefs.

 

Since that is your only activity here, it is apparent that your pledge "to uphold the principles and beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church in your conduct on this site AND follow all site rules" was not genuine.

 

All you need to do now is get your picture up on the offshoot website with your testimonial and you will have followed exactly the path of many others who came to Adventist Online proselytizing Adventists with false beliefs that have no basis in scripture.  It's as if there was a script.  ;-)

 

This is a community to study with.  A community to be supported by and be supportive of.  Not a mislead audience to be proselytized.  It sounds simple, but if you want to be a part of this community, be a part of this community.

Clark P

I have never  supporting Sacred Names theology.

I have never suggested there was no Holy Spirit . 

I do want to understand all about the Sanctuary and  all its ramifications.

The health message within it.

The calendar it functioned with in. 

sanctification, justification, 

I am a Seventh Day Adventist.

I do with all my heart want to Know the Bible and its teaching concerning my every day life.

I want to be led .I have never  been the leader type. 

 

the frog 

I see him often on our top step and it always calls from me praises to a amazing Creater.   

Bill,

My reply was to Connie.  When I started writing the response, you had not posted yet.  You must have posted while I was still writing so it then appeared like I was talking to you.  I was not.  I'm sorry for the confusion.

God bless!

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