We know exactly how the weekly cycle came into existence. God made it during creation week. 1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day, 6th day, 7th day = Sabbath. This seven day continuous cycle has been kept without interruption ever since. It was reaffirmed and explained on the tablets written by God's own hand - the ten commandments. Christ kept it. Ellen G. White kept it and reaffirmed that it was the correct day.
So no calendar of any sort is needed to know what day Sabbath falls on. It's as simple as counting to seven and then repeating. No sacred calendar is used to calculate this - no heathen calendar is used to calculate this. No harvest calendar is used. No feast day calendar is used. Just count to seven and repeat.
The seven day weekly cycle is simple and plainly presented in scripture and SOP. Any other way of arriving at what day "Sabbath" falls on involves scriptural back-flips (which still don't show a basis for another method). Any other method of arriving at what day Sabbath falls on involves throwing out the works of Ellen G. White as a messenger from God.
I don't want to violate plain commands given in the ten commandments nor throw out the SOP. Thus the Seventh-day Sabbath truth is a truth that is unimpeachable.
Connie said, "I can see that you have no idea how the date, calendar, and weekly cycle came into use in our culture."
Oh dear, those words will make you feel very embarassed when you try and explain how any calendar affects the progression of the days. You should be very careful who you accuse of ignorance lest your own lack of understanding be exposed.
I note that in your reply you weren't able to explain how a calendar affects the progression of the days. This is one of the biggest problems that those who believe in this doctrine have. No-one is actually able to explain how a calendar change makes any difference to the progression of the seven days through the week. Not you, or anyone else who has been promoting this theory.
It is the fatal blow that every single "lunar-sabbath" follower cannot explain away: the fact that no calendar ever devised has changed the progression of the days of the week. You begin with a false premise and then heap error upon error.
I think Ezra made a very pertinent statement.
Reminds me of the story of the anvil of God's word, no matter how many hammers came against it, it stood the test of time.
God is able to keep what he created.
Greetings Sister Connie,
We did ask that you not promote the lunar sabbath. We said "So at this point we ask that you do not promote the Lunar Sabbath. Doing so breaks our rule #12. Please feel free to ask any questions you want." (See the full message we wrote to you at bottom of this post.)
For reference, our Site Rules and Guidelines #12 says: "This is a site by Seventh-day Adventists for Seventh-day Adventists. We welcome all seekers of God's truth here. We believe that God will continue to reveal His truth to His people as time progresses. Thus we are constantly seeking a better understanding of God and His word. We welcome all that are doing the same. That said, if it becomes apparent that your purpose in being a member of this site is to promote a different agenda and/or sow discord among the brethren, your ability to interact with this site may be restricted."
We made the request to you because based on your behavior it appeared that your purpose in being in this community was to promote different beliefs than what this Seventh-day Adventist community holds to be true. The only posts you have made are posts promoting the Lunar Sabbath and posts promoting Sacred Names theology. Neither of these theological positions are supported by scripture, SOP, or the SDA Church. Both beliefs are keystones of an offshoot group that has left the Adventist Church but continues to proselytize it's members.
When you joined Adventist Online, you answered "Yes" to this statement: "Do you agree to uphold the principles and beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church in your conduct on this site AND follow all site rules?" We don't feel that only promoting beliefs counter to the beliefs of the SDA church is upholding this pledge you made. That is why we wrote to you.
We DO welcome all seekers of truth! And we are open to new light. But we have been told by SOP that any new light will not contradict the pillars of our faith. "In every age there is a new development of truth, a message of God to the people of that generation. The old truths are essential; new truth is not independent of the old, but an unfolding of it. It is only as the old truths are understood that we can comprehend the new." (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, June 20, 1902) “In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories...” (Ellen White, Review & Herald, May 25, 1905)
So if you are a seeker of truth we welcome you. But your current behavior of only promoting two beliefs counter to scripture and counter to the SDA church is against our rules and goes against the pledge you made.
Blessings and prayers to you and your family.
Here is the entire message written to you on this subject:
We welcome you to Adventist Online with open arms and much love. We want you to be a valued member here. Your art is absolutely beautiful!
We do welcome all seekers of truth here. A seeker of truth asks questions and is open to where they lead. They are open to seeing the simple truth of the Bible.
The Seventh-day Sabbath is one such simple truth. The seven day week is the only period of time that has no basis in the universe. It is not based on the moon or the sun. It is only the the length it is because God made it so at creation. He plainly and simply began the continuous seven day cycle that we are still on today.
The ten commandments reaffirmed and further clarified this seven day cycle so that there would be no confusion. Every prophet of God throughout history has worshiped on the seventh day and kept it holy. Christ Himself also worshiped on the seventh-day.
Secular, Christian, and Jewish scholars alike confirm that the seven day cycle has not been altered throughout history. There have been no days added or subtracted.
The Sabbath truth is clear to Adventists. We have found that all evidence in scripture and the SOP points to the seventh day as being the Holy Day that God commanded us to keep.
No amount of feast day calculations will change the simple seven day cycle that God put in place at creation.
So at this point we ask that you do not promote the Lunar Sabbath. Doing so breaks our rule #12. Please feel free to ask any questions you want. If we follow His Spirit, we will all be guided to the truth.
Blessings and prayers,
I don't believe that I was discussing the lunar Sabbath, I was discussing how our calendar came into being. Two different issues.
The Sanctuary calendar can be demonstrated. We all know that.
The 7 day cycle can be demonstrated.
How that 7 day cycle fits in the Sanctuary calendar can be demonstrated.
the Idea of two calendars being used today is a fact. one for the Sanctuary
and one we use in our daily lives.
The use of two calendars in use in the bible is a study im doing, please help.
Your first post here was supporting the Lunar Sabbath. Every subsequent post has been supporting Sacred Names theology, the non-existence of the Holy Spirit as the third member of the Godhead, or the Lunar Calendar with the direct implication that this calendar affects the day we worship on. All of these positions are against scripture, SOP, and the Adventist Church beliefs.
Since that is your only activity here, it is apparent that your pledge "to uphold the principles and beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church in your conduct on this site AND follow all site rules" was not genuine.
All you need to do now is get your picture up on the offshoot website with your testimonial and you will have followed exactly the path of many others who came to Adventist Online proselytizing Adventists with false beliefs that have no basis in scripture. It's as if there was a script. ;-)
This is a community to study with. A community to be supported by and be supportive of. Not a mislead audience to be proselytized. It sounds simple, but if you want to be a part of this community, be a part of this community.
I have never supporting Sacred Names theology.
I have never suggested there was no Holy Spirit .
I do want to understand all about the Sanctuary and all its ramifications.
The health message within it.
The calendar it functioned with in.
I am a Seventh Day Adventist.
I do with all my heart want to Know the Bible and its teaching concerning my every day life.
I want to be led .I have never been the leader type.
I see him often on our top step and it always calls from me praises to a amazing Creater.
My reply was to Connie. When I started writing the response, you had not posted yet. You must have posted while I was still writing so it then appeared like I was talking to you. I was not. I'm sorry for the confusion.