This statement from the Spirit of Prophecy is quoted in at least 3 different references on the DVD that I have from the E. G. White Estate.
"We have yet to learn that the whole Jewish economy is a compacted prophecy of the gospel."
The references are from a compilation "Reflecting Christ" 1985 Chapter 98-"Truth Must Be Stamped Upon the Heart", #5 Manuscript Releases Nos. 260-316-1990 - No. 313 "Work Among the Jews", and the reference that you found in Review and Herald, February 21, 1899.
You know these discussions get really revolting when people begin to start mocking and deriding the people who were in sincerity when they posted them.
Alex, I would have thought your post to the shepherds rod was a mashed rehash for at least a month there.
And Ray, it would have been more respectful for a Minister of the Gospel to have spoken in a better manner.
Whomever Odette was, its incredible that her understanding of truth would allow her to get such slurs from those who believe they have the full understanding of truth.
We just finished reading a book called Paula the Waldensian. It would be well for you all to read that, as my 10 year old daughter read me the last chapter, I was wiping away tears and the children came with serviettes (napkins for Americans) and kept wiping them for me, as I thought, this is a true christian. Knowledge never saved anyone, its what we do with our knowledge that saves.
All those hundreds of Revelation seminars just bring in more and more mental assenters to the truth, without 1% of them practicing it. How many people have you seen lately walking from town to town spreading the gospel to dying thirsting sinners, telling them they have the assurance of pardon if they only accept the love of God and his assistance to be free? I haven't.
Alex, it is sad to see you up to your old supercilious attitudes yet again.
It has continued to amaze me that "Admin" leaves the arrogant on here and the humble, are left to the vultures.
If you require further evidence that the luni-solar rotational seventh day Sabbath theory is false, one simply needs to find the correct day and year of the Crucifixion. Did you know that over Nine time specific Prophecies come into perfect alignment on the day of Crucifixion?
I attached my studied to this post for your viewing pleasures. One is in power point and the other is in PDF format. By Validating the correct day of the Crucifixion it can be plain to see that the seventh day sabbath of Jesus day has not changed or broken the seven day cycle even up to this day.
The luni-solar theory is based in ignorance of how the ceremonial laws worked in conjunction with the moon in comparison to a basic 7 day cycle which the gregorian calendar still uses which provides for an easy overlay comparison of the two calendar systems for keeping time. In the end, God will fulfill time specific prophecy in the manner it which God defined time with spoken words. Evening and morning make a day. Seven days in a week... New moon to new moon make a month. You get the picture... Enjoy the studies. They are the most objective study to date on the topic of the crucifixion to resurrection. This study is also the first study to illustrate from the ancient historical record how Jesus fulfilled the 4 day time specific prophecy of the Lamb being chosen by the people on the tenth day and killed on the 14th day. It's a shame our bible misrepresents jesus fulfilling the Law he claimed to fulfill.
It was not till i conducted this study that I found that the bible does not speak according to the Law and testimony (spirit of Prophecy).
Hope we find the true word of God from God soon so that the gospel Jesus taught can goto the world!
For the Law, See Exodus 20. It tells us how to love God above all and our neighbor as our self. For the testimony see God for the spirit of God comes from God and is the testimony of a truth that is greater than what Christian history has ever known or recorded correctly. Take some time to review the attached studies of my other post. They are not in the greatest of shape and are still a work in progress. They illustrate that prophecy is more perfect than christian traditions and doctrine have been probogating through the years.
For the Testimony (Spirit of Prophecy) this can only come to us through the spirit of truth if we Keep God's commandments. The Christian bible as a whole in concert with Christian traditions has taught men to break God's commands keeping them cut off from the testimony.
With the bibile being a mixture of truth mixed with lies and men traditionally referring to it as a perfect inspired written work from God, we tell a lie and break law that we are to keep. For Example lets carefully review a passage which is a confirmed lie concerning Defilement:
"Hear and understand: Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; But what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."
"Hear Me, everyone and understand: There is nothing that enters a man from the outside which can defile him; But the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man."
Not only are these statements, which allegedly quote Jesus, Scientifically incorrect, but also spiritually incorrect or there would not be a health message in Adventism. As humans we are a product of what we put in our mouths as well as the programming we receive. Our very actions in our existance are made by our choices and our choices are influenced by our perceptions of cause and effect based on what we take in from life experience. If this was not true then a muslim would not be a muslim and a Christain would not be a christian. Both are products of what they have taken in and are very different in what they put out because of what they have taken in.
There are varifiable ancient texts which allegedly quote Jesus as making this below illustrated statement for this same point of earth history concerning his ministry: This below sample is taken from the Gospel of holy 12 which can factually be proven to pre-date the 4 bible gospels and is also more scientifically and spiritually sound:
"And there came unto him certain of the Scribes and Pharisees who had seen one of his disciples eat with unwashed hands. and they found fault, for the Jews eat not except they have first washed their hands and many other things observe they, in the washing of Cups and of vessels and of tables. They said, Why walk not all the disciples after the traditions of the elders, for we saw one who did eat with unwashed hands? Jesus said, "well hath Moses commanded you to be clean, and to keep your bodies clean, but ye have added things which often times cannot be observed by everyone at all times and in all places. Hearken unto me therefore, not only unclean things entering into the body of a man defile the man, but much more do evil thoughts and unclean, which pour from the heart of man, defile the inner man and defile others also! Therefore take heed to your thoughts and cleasnse your hearts and let your food be pure."
Which of the 3 ancient historical records presented for this point in earth history is more factually true (Scripture) based on the human condition spiritually and scientifically? The third was not put in your bible by Rome, yet to claim the Matt and Mark recordings are truth from God even though they are factually false would be a huge discredit to God causing men to continue in sin should they claim a lie is truth.
The bible as a whole is capable of causing man to break the Law if not every word in it's pages is perfect truth, yet men promote it as perfect truth by traditional rhetoric. The book contains the law we are to fulfill yet is designed to cause us to break the law we are to fulfill. The testimony of Jesus is a testimony so true that when spoken, it will make the blind to see, cripple to walk, and the dead to overcome death. To truely live one must receive the spirit of God. This does not come from the book, but from God. Fulfill the law and you will have the testimony of Jesus.
If you still don't think your bible contains a lie, Try to determine which day prior to crucifixion Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple. Don't just use one Gospel since there is a claim that all four bible gospels were inspired by God. They should be in one accord on where they place this event since it is said that the holy spirit will bring to rememberance truth and even fortel things to come.
Another event that is misplaced by your bible gospels is the anointing in Bethany prior to crucifixion. If you believe these are not important factors of testimony for salvation, then you have never known truth from God. You have Only read myths and legends about men of the past who did.
If you want to take the gospel of Jesus to the world, you must have the testimony of Jesus. This does not come by possessing a book or quoting from a book. The testimony of Jesus came from His God who is our God if we obey the commandments are of the truth and hear his voice. We should be quoting God, the voice of truth from heaven, Not the book. Jesus quoted God and so did the apostles who received his spirit. Will you?
It's tradition in concert with the bible that has taught men to break God's commandments. In a prior thread i share theses three ancient recordings. Which of the Three are Scripture (accurate written reflection of what Jesus spoke for this single moment in earth history).
All three of the below ancient recording attempt to quote words Jesus said yet all three do not perfectly agree on what was actually stated. Which of the three below is telling truth and which is telling a lie. If a Christian claims a lie is truth from God are they lying?
New International Version (NIV)
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”
Gospel of Holy 12
"Hearken unto me therefore, not only unclean things entering into the body of man defile the man, but much more do evil thoughts and unclean, which pour from the heart of man, defile the inner man and defile others also. Therefore take heed to your thoughts and cleanse your hearts and let your food be pure."
But you can't use the Sunday-Saturday calendar cause it didn't exist until Constantine. You have to use the eight day-week Roman calendar.
I'm so confused!
The seven day weekly cycle was established at creation. It was kept when the world was inhabited by two people. It was kept when the world was inhabited by only hundreds of people. So heathen empires have nothing to do with it. It was also kept before there were any feast days or a calendar to calculate them.
The weekly cycle is simple and Biblical: Day one, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six (preparation day), day seven (Sabbath).
This cycle has been kept by God's people and Christ himself without interruption or insertion of days. It was commanded in the 10 Commandments. It was reaffirmed by Ellen G. White.
To introduce confusion where there is none is a ploy of the devil. Why would anyone give credence to a theory of man when the Biblical directive and example is so clear?
It seems such a simple question: how do you calculate the weekly Sabbaths? Yet it is far from simple. Since the devil is working to divide and conquer among Sabbath-keeping, Torah-following believers, we should come to expect differing doctrines on all important subjects. The teaching of which day is the Seventh-day Sabbath is no exception. In fact, there are two points of view regarding determining which day is the weekly Sabbath:
To begin, let us look at Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11. Here God gives us details and instructions about the weekly Sabbath. To determine which day is the Sabbath, we must submit both concepts (luni-solar Sabbath versus "Saturday" Sabbath) to the microscope of the Word. For, the true weekly Sabbath will adhere to ALL the Biblical teachings about the weekly Sabbath. For the purpose of this study, we will specifically look for Sabbath timing details (which are set apart in bold in the following verse and summarized in a list below).
Genesis 2:1-3 - "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the Seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made."
Exodus 20:8-11 - "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."
From these Bible passages, we find the following timing details:
Is the Seventh-day lunar? The Bible teaches that the holy days are to be calculated by the heavens. Consider Genesis 1:14. "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."
The Seventh-day Sabbath must consistently follow a seven-day cycle. But, there isn’t always a seven-day cycle between moon phases. Let us assume that the eighth, fifteenth, twenty-second and twenty-ninth day of the lunar month are Sabbaths as we verify whether or not these days would allow the Sabbath to always be a consistent count of seven days:
In the luni-solar construct, the last week of the lunar cycle is always longer than seven days. This time discrepancy is accounted for with a "gap theory" which accounts these days between the conjunction (dark of the moon) and the new moon sighting as "dead days," or days which don't count. Some of the luni-solar proponents have explained that this is a shadow picture of the jubilee. While this sounds very plausible at the outset, this teaching is not Scripturally sound for the following reasons:
In Leviticus 23:15-16, we find the specific instructions for how Pentecost (also called the Feast of Weeks) is to be calculated. "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days..."
Thus, Pentecost is to be calculated as being BOTH 7 Sabbaths AND 50 days. Now, if the luni-solar belief is Scriptural, that the last Sabbath of the lunar cycle can be a part of a 9-day week, it should be possible to calculate only 7 Sabbaths for Pentecost and still have it come out to 50 days. Let's see whether it is possible to get 7 Sabbaths AND only 50 days with the luni-solar "gap theory," at the end of each month. Remember, Pentecost is in the third Biblical month, and is exactly seven Sabbaths and fifty days from First Fruits, falls during the Week of Unleavened Bread. Additionally, the Bible indicates that Pentecost is always the "morrow after the seventh Sabbath" (Leviticus 23:16)
The only way to get seven Sabbaths and only 50 days in the count to Pentecost is to never break the cycle of consistently counting the Sabbath as the Seventh-day. There can never be a break in the seven-day week count and still get only 50 days.
This lack of a consistent seven-day cycle is not the only issue to consider regarding the lunar Sabbath teaching. Consider the following additional Biblical discrepancies:
If we want to understand weekly Sabbath-keeping today, we must study the original model of Sabbath found in the week of Creation. In so doing, we find that the first day of the first week wasNOT the first day of the first month. How so? Because a month is designated by the phases of the moon; but there wasn't a moon from which to designate, on the first day of the first week. Genesis 1:14-19 says, “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”
If the moon indicated the weekly Sabbath, it could not have been created on the 4th day! The Seventh-day Sabbath would then have to be called the third day!
The general claim of lunar sabbath adherents is that the lunar sabbath understanding was discarded during the Babylonian captivity, and was then replaced by the Sabbath of the day of Saturn (i.e., saturday) at that time. Thus, lunar sabbatarians would have us to believe that the remnant who returned to the Land of Israel were keeping a false sabbath.
This would then continue to be the case in the first century, when Messiah came in the flesh. We find, however, that Yahshua kept the same Sabbath day holy as did His fellow Jews about Him, (Matt 12:1-12/Mark 2:23-28; Mark 1:21; 3:1-4; 6:2; etc.), and we know that He came as one "under the Law," and that He never sinned (i.e., transgressed the Law). Therefore, the Sabbath kept by the Jews in the first century C.E. is the same Sabbath from creation codifed at Sinai.
If luni-solar Sabbath is true, than the 8th, 15th, 22nd,and 29th of the Biblical month will always be Sabbaths. But this is not so. Yahshua made clay to heal a man's eyes on the weekly Sabbath. And on that occasion, the Seventh-day Sabbath fell on the 23rd day of the month (a complete impossibility to the lunar Sabbatarian beliefs):
John records that Yahshua stood up on the last day of the Feast, the Great Day, and cried out to the crowd. This "last day, that great day" is the eighth day of the Feast of the 7th month and occurs on the 22nd day of Tishri (Leviticus 23:34-37). The next day (John 8:2), Jesus came again to the Temple early in the morning. After His discourse with the scribes and Pharisees, He healed a man who was blind from birth. John recorded that "it was the Sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and open his eyes." (John 9:14). This evidence shows that the 23rd day of Tishri was a Sabbath that year.
It is possible to have a full moon on the 12th day rather than the 15th. In such a case, the seven-day cycle is lost between the 8th lunar day and the 15th lunar day. An example of a possible 12th day Full Moon:
It is also possible for the full moon to fall on the 16th day of the lunar month. An example of a possible 16th day Full Moon:
One of the biggest reasons luni-solar proponents often give for believing weekly Sabbaths are determined by the moon phases is that the Gregorian calendar was created by Pope Gregory. The papal doctrines are the polluted "wine" of Babylon - no question. And there is no question that Pope Gregory DID indeed remove 10 dates from the calendar in 1582. But, does that mean that Pope Gregory somehow affected the Sabbath itself? NO! The order of the week days didn't change one iota by simply re-dating the days. The first day (which the pagans have named "Sunday") is still followed by the second day (Monday), and the third day (Tuesday), which was followed by the fourth day (Wednesday), followed by the fifth day (Thursday), followed by the sixth day (Friday), which was still followed by the same Seventh-day. See the calendar below for clarification of what Pope Gregory did to the calendar and why this change did not affect the weekly Sabbath count.
The Seventh-day was the Sabbath before Pope Gregory removed ten dates, and it was still the Sabbath after he removed them. It is not following a papal calendar to honor the seven-day count which started at Creation, simply because a calendar change took place in 1582... which didn't even affect the Seventh-day Sabbath count. So, it isn't pagan to keep the Seventh-day of the week. It really has nothing to do with Gregory! The Sabbath was before his changes, throughout and continued after in an unbroken cycle of seven.
But, lunar phase worship IS rooted in an ancient pagan practice. Worship on the lunar phases was anciently associated with worship of the “moon god” “Allah was the proper name of the moon-deity of the Arabs before Muhammad brought his brand of religion to them. They worshipped hundreds of idols in a big black cube, the Ka'aba, in Mecca. Today, they believe "Allah" resides inside this same black box, calling the Kaaba the "house of Allah". This term, Allah, was adopted because of its "name recognition" among the common population. Because the previously Pagan Arabs worshipped the moon diety they called Allah, you will often notice that the primary Islamic symbol is the crescent moon, placed above their places of worship in a similar way Christians use the cross.” Lew White, www.fossilizedcustoms.com/moon.html
The idol of the moon "god," pictured below, shows the moon in its new sliver phase on the chest (facing front). This is because in ancient middle eastern pagan practices the moon phase dates were considered to be the sacred day of Sin, called "Allah" later.
In order for the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of the lunar cycle to be weekly Sabbaths, it must be provable that they are Sabbaths EVERY time, without exceptions. Yet, there are two significant exceptions on which these days are clearly NOT Sabbaths:
The fifteenth day of the month Abib is also referred to as the first day of Unleavened Bread. (Abib is the first month of the Biblical year, which begins sometime in April on a calendar.) Now, according to the luni-solar Sabbath theory, the 15th day of the lunar month is always a Seventh-day Sabbath. But, in the month Abib, the Bible makes it plain that the 15th is NOT a Sabbath. How so? Consider the statute stipulations for food preparation on the Seventh-day Sabbath compared with that of the statutes for food preparation on the fifteenth of Abib.
The statutes are very clear about prohibiting all food preparation on the weekly Sabbaths. It was even against the Torah (Hebrew for "instructions," also known as the "Law" of YHWH) to kindle a cooking fire on the Sabbath day. All food preparation for the weekly Sabbath was to be completed on the sixth day, also known as the "Preparation Day" for the Sabbath. This is stated in the following Scriptures:
Exodus 16:22-23 - "And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man... And he (Moses) said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake today (on the sixth day), and seethe that ye will seethe and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning."
Exodus 35:2-3 - "Six days shall work be done, but on the Seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the Sabbath day.
But, while it was plainly prohibited to cook upon the Seventh-day Sabbath, it was Biblically acceptable to prepare food on the 15th of Abib, which is the first day of Unleavened Bread - also known as an "annual Sabbath." This is stated in Exodus 12:15-16 - "Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you."
The Seventh-day Sabbath is calculated differently than the annual Sabbaths. This distinction is given in Leviticus 23. Leviticus 23:1-4 - "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My Feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the Seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings..."
After listing the Seventh-day Sabbath as the first of YHWH's "Feasts," there is a break in the thought before the annual Sabbaths are listed. The Bible continues to say, These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons."
Then, when we turn to the Psalm, we find that the "moon" was "appointed for seasons," (Psalm 104:19). Thus, the Seventh-day Sabbath is not among the "Feasts" of YHWH, which are determined by the moon. Just as was established at Creation, when the moon was made on the fourth day while Seventh-day Sabbath had come 3 days later, having started before the existence of any heavenly body, the Sabbath is a simple count of seven. It has continued unbroken from Creation. And it is still the weekly Sabbath today.