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***  Note from Adventist Online:  The following post contains falsehoods that cannot be proven from scripture.  It contradicts the truth about the Seventh-day Sabbath established at creation, affirmed in the Ten Commandments, and that Christ, all the prophets, and you and I keep Holy.  We have left this discussion intact so you can learn more about the basis of your faith.  Your study will show the following lunar calendar theory to be false and not Biblical as this post claims.  ***


The subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of the disappointment of 1844. It opened to view a complete system of truth, connected and harmonious, showing that God's hand had directed the great advent movement and revealing present duty as it brought to light the position and work of His people. The Great Controversy, p.423.

If the subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of 1844, would it not be wise to refer constantly to this wonderful, complete, connected and harmonious system of truth to reveal more truth to us in this last period of Earth‟s history? Besides the discovery of the work of our Great High Priest in the Most Holy Place and the commencement of the hour of judgment on October 22, 1844, the Millerites were also given a most important revelation regarding the sanctuary that almost came back to life in 1939.

Following the request of Pastor Wierts in the 1920 era, the General Conference of the SDA Church set up a Committee to re-visit the date of October 22, 1844. At that time, the Rabbinical Jews were questioning our stand on the Great Day of Atonement date in 1844, because according to the Jews it was celebrated on September 23 in 1844. The full collection of the research and data‟s of this Committee is available at Andrews University in Michigan.

It is called: the Grace Amadon Collection. The research is composed of 3000 pages and more on the subject of astronomy and the calculations of the Millerites to arrive at the true date of October 22, 1844. More specifically, the luni-solar calendar and the beginning of the year according to the Barley Harvest Mosaic law were re-discovered by William Miller and his associates. That in-depth study of the luni-solar calendar led them to the Karaites whom in the 8th century AD stood against the Rabbinical Jews who had long compromised the calculation of the calendar of the festivals of the Lord as they do to this day, by using the new moon after the vernal equinox instead of the new moon corresponding to the barley harvest.

Moses commanded that they should not even reap their barley until the first fruits of it had been offered to the Lord at the time of the Passover. Sidersky adds, "The aim of the Mosaic command was to regulate the months according to the course of the moon, and the whole year in accordance with the course of the sun -- by assigning as a starting point the lunar month coinciding with the beginning of a determined solar season." That determined solar season was still the barley harvest in the time of Christ. Later on, as after the dispersion of the Jews, the Sanhedrin did not content itself to observe the maturity of the barley, but added to it the observation and the calculation of the equinox.

The ceremony of the barley was the divine rule by which the position of the month Nisan (or first month Abib) was located... Such a provision as the barley-harvest control of the year thrusts definite certainty into Jewish reckoning in the time of Christ--- which held on until the Jews were scattered after the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70). By this rule, we know that the Nisan paschal moon could not come until the rains were over and the barley ripe. On those two counts, a Passover in Dystrius, the ancient name for March, is out -- for all the reports on agriculture and meteorology in Palestine, ancient and modern, show that March is the month for the latter rain, and that the barley ripens in April.
Grace Amadon Collection Part V Crucifixion Date, page 8.

In 1844, for the first time since the end of the 70 weeks, a problem in luni-solar reckoning directly related to the ministry of Christ, came up for solution. This problem reverted to the original Mosaic types, and therefore the calendar measure had to be a replica of the primitive Mosaic year. The following astronomical details were a necessary foundation for laying out this luni-solar calendar:
1) The appointed Jewish feasts dates;
2) New moon and full moon dates, as found in standard tables;
3) Form and lengths of the Jewish year -- common and embolismic;
4) Position of the moon in the heavens, and her times of setting; and
5) Difference in time between meridians.

The dates of the Jewish festivals, in Jewish time, are found in the Bible. They were given to Moses when he was in the mount with God. The book of Exodus, II Chronicles, II Kings, and the prophecy of Jeremiah contain definite dates for important events. Many such are found also in the prophecies of Ezekiel, Haggai, and Zechariah. They are all lunar time. These chronological references all go to show that the Jewish people, throughout the centuries, had a dependable calendar system, with its related festivals according to which events were reliably recorded. The feasts themselves occupied a period of more than half the Hebrew year, concerning which Moses had received instructions direct from God.

For nearly forty years Moses remained with Israel (and this was before they entered the Promised Land), and was thus responsible for the operation of these institutions which became an integral part of the Jewish polity. These were far-reaching in purpose, for God's original plan provides that all the families of the earth should come up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. But a common center of worship in the earth, when, from one new moon to another, by lunar reckoning, and from one Sabbath to another, by solar reckoning, all flesh would come to worship before God, shows that a luni-solar time system can be world-embracing in performance. Two millenniums after the world was created, Moses wrote that both great lights -- the moon as well as the sun -- were for days and years. The lunar year therefore had a part in the great plan of creation and is taken note of in the pages of Holy Writ.
Grace Amadon Collection - Solar Time, page 6.

Following the Biblically and astronomically sound original Karaites reckoning for the true Jewish sacred year, the Adventist leaders fix upon October 22 as the true 10th day of the true 7th month by applying this direct and simple formula: As the true "first month" began with the appearance of the new moon in April 1844, so the true "seventh month" in that year must begin with the appearance of the corresponding new moon after its change on the evening of October 11, the new moon becoming visible on the 13th, as every current calendar informed them. Therefore, they declared, the 10th day of the 7th month would fall upon October 22, New England-time reckoning. The time calculations for the specific day were complicated by the fact that not only does the Jewish sacred year differ from our Gregorian --- running from April to April, instead of from January to January -- but the Jewish or Biblical day is from sunset to sunset, instead of our arbitrary civil reckoning from midnight to midnight. All calculations must therefore accord with Biblical reckoning, and then be translated into our present Gregorian calendar, civil-time reckoning. All becomes clear when the inevitable relationship between Jewish and civil time is grasped... No intricate mathematical or astronomical calculation was necessary, so the Adventist position was easily understood by the common people.

Nevertheless, a scholarly mastery of the astronomical and chronological aspects of the question was a conspicuous characteristic of Millerites leadership and literature. It was because of this that their argument could not be gainsaid by the scholars of the time.

Definite note is taken, in the Midnight Cry of October 3, of the fact that the Rabbinate Jews had already observed September 23 as the 10th day of the 7th month, and that this was doubtless a month too early. In the same journal on October 11, we read; "The day (of Atonement) is observed by the Jews more than any other in the year, though they observe it one month earlier than the true time, as we think it is evident from the fact that barley is not ripe in Judea on the 16th day of the first month, as they reckon time; but the law of Moses required a sheaf to be waved before the Lord on that day." No Adventists looked for the Second Advent on September 23, the Rabbinate date, because for a year and a half they had all been following the Karaites reckoning for the sacred year -- both for the Jewish year 1843, and for 1844 -- which reckoning placed the first Jewish month in April, and in consequence the seventh month in October --- and therefore not in September.

Grace Amadon Collection, Report of Committee on historical basis, involvements and validity of the October 22, 1844 position. Part II. Chronological Development page 24-26 (excerpts).

The sanctuary was not given to Moses after sin as an after-thought in the mind of the Creator. The Bible is clear that the plan of salvation, as so wonderfully pictured in the sanctuary, was before the foundation of the world. The calendar Moses gave to the Israelites can be easily found throughout the sanctuary as it forms the very physiology or functioning of the Jewish economy. All of their festivals including the 7th day Sabbath were represented in the sanctuary through the pieces of furniture, sacrifices and ceremonies. (Numbers 28, Leviticus 23).

This calendar, based on the luni-solar Barley Harvest Mosaic law, was revealed to the Millerites to be restored for the last generation. This is indeed the fulfillment of Daniel 7:25, "He shall think to change times and laws".  

Christ not only kept the Sabbath as it was his custom, but also the Feasts that He himself instituted in order to teach the full and complete plan of salvation. We can follow Him in the sanctuary as the Passover Lamb offered on the cross in the Court, to His ascension and High Priesthood coronation in the Holy Place in heaven, with the sending of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to confirm it, and the Great Day of Atonement in the Most Holy Place entry on October 22, 1844. We only need for Him to stand up and come out of the Most Holy Place after the judgment of the living saints is done, probation to close. And He returns in the cloud of glory to take us Home.

Christ not only kept the festivals but He is the fulfillment of the Feasts as He:
  • Died on Passover AD 31 Abib 14. As established by the Millerites through the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 and 9:24-27.
  • Rested on Unleavened Bread Abib 15, which is also a 7th day Sabbath by luni-solar calendar reckoning.
  • Resurrected on Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost fifty days after Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Inspired the Millerites from 1834-1844 to give the Trumpets sound, which will be repeated through the Loud Cry under the Sunday Law still to come.
  • Entered the Most Holy Place on the Great Day of Atonement on October 22, 1844, to begin the judgment of the dead, while soon, no one knows how soon, the judgment of the living will start.
  • And is coming again to take us Home at the Feast of Tabernacles.
The Heavenly Father wants to sanctify us on His Sabbaths. (Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12). These are His Sabbaths including the 7th day Sabbath. Numbers chapter 28 indicates clearly the calendar of the sanctuary along with Leviticus 23. The calendar of the Creator can be found:
  • Daily Genesis 1 and 2
  • Weekly Genesis 1 and 2
  • Monthly Genesis 7 and 8; Exodus 9, 12
  • Yearly Exodus 9: 31, 32; Leviticus 23; Numbers 28 Sabbatical Year Leviticus 25
  • Jubilee year Leviticus 25
  • Millennium Revelation 20
The luni-solar week is as such:
New Moon 1st of the month
7th Day Sabbath The 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th respectively

All of the Feasts are to be fulfilled in the believers who follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes. It is false to declare that these Feasts were finished at the cross, since the Great Day of Atonement has been proclaimed by the Adventists only since 1844. Except for Passover, Christ still fulfilled them after His death in resting on Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) and resurrecting on Abib 16 (Firstfruits). The type of the Passover Lamb met the antitype at the cross. Passover was fulfilled and replaced by the Lord`s Supper. No longer is there a need for a lamb to be sacrificed. Christ is the Lamb of God. However, the other feasts types met their antitype after the cross and were not nailed to the cross.


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I believe Odette is no longer a member.




This statement from the Spirit of Prophecy is quoted in at least 3 different references on the DVD that I have from the E. G. White Estate.


"We have yet to learn that the whole Jewish economy is a compacted prophecy of the gospel."


The references are from a compilation "Reflecting Christ" 1985 Chapter 98-"Truth Must Be Stamped Upon the Heart", #5 Manuscript Releases Nos. 260-316-1990 - No. 313 "Work Among the Jews", and the reference that you found in   Review and Herald, February 21, 1899.

You know these discussions get really revolting when people begin to start mocking and deriding the people who were in sincerity when they posted them.

Alex, I would have thought your post to the shepherds rod was a mashed rehash for at least a month there.

And Ray, it would have been more respectful for a Minister of the Gospel to have spoken in a better manner.

Whomever Odette was, its incredible that her understanding of truth would allow her to get such slurs from those who believe they have the full understanding of truth.

We just finished reading a book called Paula the Waldensian.  It would be well for you all to read that, as my 10 year old daughter read me the last chapter, I was wiping away tears and the children came with serviettes (napkins for Americans) and kept wiping them for me, as I thought, this is a true christian.  Knowledge never saved anyone, its what we do with our knowledge that saves.

All those hundreds of Revelation seminars just bring in more and more mental assenters to the truth, without 1% of them practicing it.  How many people have you seen lately walking from town to town spreading the gospel to dying thirsting sinners, telling them they have the assurance of pardon if they only accept the love of God and his assistance to be free?  I haven't.

Alex, it is sad to see you up to your old supercilious attitudes yet again.

It has continued to amaze me that "Admin" leaves the arrogant on here and the humble, are left to the vultures.


May I repeat what I said one time regarding the so-called "LUNI=CALENDAR"    The whole universe, in which ALL OF GOD'S CREATION resides, in whiich a majority are UNFALLEN BEINGS, is following a DEFINITE CALENDAR when it comes to the "from one Sabbath to Another" theme in Scriptures.  And what is the basis for the theme of TIME or CALENDAR which is being followed by ALL CREATED BEINGS?  To assert that the UNFALLEN BEINGS, which forms THE MAJORITY of the SABBATH KEEPERS in the universe, is DEFINITELY FOLLOWING A UNIVERSAL RECKONNING OF TIME, which our Creator God has certainly originated for the UNITY OF "UNIVERSE" SABBATH KEEPING.  And for us SINFUL, FAULTY, human beings of the Solar System, to assert that GOD'S UNIVERSAL CALENDAR OF TIME, is bound, or tied, to the movement of the moon around our planet earth?  When we ponder on all the "island universes" composed of galaxies after galaxies which our All Powerful Creator God, He CERTAINLY HAS CREATED A TIME CALENDAR WHICH ALL THE UNFALLEN BEINGS ARE FAITHFULLY KEEPING TRACK OF TIME IN CONNECTION WITH THE SABBATH KEEPING IN THE UNIVERSE.  After the Second Advent, when the redeemed of this planet earth will ultimately UNITE in keeping track of UNIVERSAL CALENDAR OF TIME WHICH THE CREATOR has set up, and which is NOW being faithfully followed by the unfallen beings, it will be just a matter of finding out what that DIVINELY ORDAINED universal CALENDAR OF TIME of which we do not even know what this is all about.  THE REDEEMED FORMER FALLEN HUMANS WILL THEN BE IN HARMONY WITH THE REST OF THE UNFALLEN UNIVERSES.  LET US LOOK FORWARD TO UNITING WITH THE UNFALLEN BEINGS WHEN THAT TIME COMES.  None of this, LUNI-SOLAR CALENDAR which our sin limited minds can conceive.  LET US EXPAND OUR MINDS' CAPACITY TO COMPREHEND GOD'S UNIVERSAL CALENDAR OF TIME.  MARANATHA, AND AMEN FOREVER.

If you require further evidence that the luni-solar rotational seventh day Sabbath theory is false, one simply needs to find the correct day and year of the Crucifixion.  Did you know that over Nine time specific Prophecies come into perfect alignment on the day of Crucifixion?


I attached my studied to this post for your viewing pleasures.  One is in power point and the other is in PDF format.  By Validating the correct day of the Crucifixion it can be plain to see that the seventh day sabbath of Jesus day has not changed or broken the seven day cycle even up to this day. 


The luni-solar theory is based in ignorance of how the ceremonial laws worked in conjunction with the moon in comparison to a basic 7 day cycle which the gregorian calendar still uses which provides for an easy overlay comparison of the two calendar systems for keeping time.  In the end, God will fulfill time specific prophecy in the manner it which God defined time with spoken words.  Evening and morning make a day.   Seven days in a week... New moon to new moon make a month.  You get the picture... Enjoy the studies.  They are the most objective study to date on the topic of the crucifixion to resurrection.  This study is also the first study to illustrate from the ancient historical record how Jesus fulfilled the 4 day time specific prophecy of the Lamb being chosen by the people on the tenth day and killed on the 14th day.  It's a shame our bible misrepresents jesus fulfilling the Law he claimed to fulfill.


It was not till i conducted this study that I found that the bible does not speak according to the Law and testimony (spirit of Prophecy). 


Hope we find the true word of God from God soon so that the gospel Jesus taught can goto the world! 


God Bless


For the Law, See Exodus 20.  It tells us how to love God above all and our neighbor as our self.  For the testimony see God for the spirit of God comes from God and is the testimony of a truth that is greater than what Christian history has ever known or recorded correctly. Take some time to review the attached studies of my other post.  They are not in the greatest of shape and are still a work in progress. They illustrate that prophecy is more perfect than christian traditions and doctrine have been probogating through the years. 


For the Testimony (Spirit of Prophecy) this can only come to us through the spirit of truth if we Keep God's commandments.  The Christian bible as a whole in concert with Christian traditions has taught men to break God's commands keeping them cut off from the testimony.



It is tradition that has taught men to break God's commandments, not the bible.

With the bibile being a mixture of truth mixed with lies and men traditionally referring to it as a perfect inspired written work from God, we tell a lie and break law that we are to keep.  For Example lets carefully review a passage which is a confirmed lie concerning Defilement:


From Matthew:

"Hear and understand: Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; But what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."

From Mark:

"Hear Me, everyone and understand: There is nothing that enters a man from the outside which can defile him; But the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man."


Not only are these statements, which allegedly quote Jesus, Scientifically incorrect, but also spiritually incorrect or there would not be a health message in Adventism.  As humans we are a product of what we put in our mouths as well as the programming we receive.  Our very actions in our existance are made by our choices and our choices are influenced by our perceptions of cause and effect based on what we take in from life experience.  If this was not true then a muslim would not be a muslim and a Christain would not be a christian.  Both are products of what they have taken in and are very different in what they put out because of what they have taken in. 


There are varifiable ancient texts which allegedly quote Jesus as making this below illustrated statement for this same point of earth history concerning his ministry:  This below sample is taken from the Gospel of holy 12 which can factually be proven to pre-date the 4 bible gospels and is also more scientifically and spiritually sound:

"And there came unto him certain of the Scribes and Pharisees who had seen one of his disciples eat with unwashed hands.  and they found fault, for the Jews eat not except they have first washed their hands and many other things observe they, in the washing of Cups and of vessels and of tables.  They said, Why walk not all the disciples after the traditions of the elders, for we saw one who did eat with unwashed hands?  Jesus said, "well hath Moses commanded you to be clean, and to keep your bodies clean, but ye have added things which often times cannot be observed by everyone at all times and in all places.  Hearken unto me therefore, not only unclean things entering into the body of a man defile the man, but much more do evil thoughts and unclean, which pour from the heart of man, defile the inner man and defile others also! Therefore take heed to your thoughts and cleasnse your hearts and let your food be pure."


Which of the 3 ancient historical records presented for this point in earth history is more factually true (Scripture) based on the human condition spiritually and scientifically?  The third was not put in your bible by Rome, yet to claim the Matt and Mark recordings are truth from God even though they are factually false would be a huge discredit to God causing men to continue in sin should they claim a lie is truth.


The bible as a whole is capable of causing man to break the Law if not every word in it's pages is perfect truth, yet men promote it as perfect truth by traditional rhetoric.  The book contains the law we are to fulfill yet is designed to cause us to break the law we are to fulfill.  The testimony of Jesus is a testimony so true that when spoken, it will make the blind to see, cripple to walk, and the dead to overcome death.  To truely live one must receive the spirit of God. This does not come from the book, but from God.  Fulfill the law and you will have the testimony of Jesus. 


If you still don't think your bible contains a lie, Try to determine which day prior to crucifixion Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple.  Don't just use one Gospel since there is a claim that all four bible gospels were inspired by God.  They should be in one accord on where they place this event since it is said that the holy spirit will bring to rememberance truth and even fortel things to come.


Another event that is misplaced by your bible gospels is the anointing in Bethany prior to crucifixion.  If you believe these are not important factors of testimony for salvation, then you have never known truth from God. You have Only read myths and legends about men of the past who did.


If you want to take the gospel of Jesus to the world, you must have the testimony of Jesus. This does not come by possessing a book or quoting from a book.  The testimony of Jesus came from His God who is our God if we obey the commandments are of the truth and hear his voice.  We should be quoting God, the voice of truth from heaven, Not the book.  Jesus quoted God and so did the apostles who received his spirit.  Will you?


God Bless


It's tradition in concert with the bible that has taught men to break God's commandments.  In a prior thread i share theses three ancient recordings.  Which of the Three are Scripture (accurate written reflection of what Jesus spoke for this single moment in earth history). 

All three of the below ancient recording attempt to quote words Jesus said yet all three do not perfectly agree on what was actually stated.  Which of the three below is telling truth and which is telling a lie.  If a Christian claims a lie is truth from God are they lying? 

Matthew 15:10-12

New International Version (NIV)

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”


14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

Gospel of Holy 12

"Hearken unto me therefore, not only unclean things entering into the body of man defile the man, but much more do evil thoughts and unclean, which pour from the heart of man, defile the inner man and defile others also. Therefore take heed to your thoughts and cleanse your hearts and let your food be pure."

But you can't use the Sunday-Saturday calendar cause it didn't exist until Constantine. You have to use the eight day-week Roman calendar.

I'm so confused!


The seven day weekly cycle was established at creation.  It was kept when the world was inhabited by two people.  It was kept when the world was inhabited by only hundreds of people.  So heathen empires have nothing to do with it.  It was also kept before there were any feast days or a calendar to calculate them.  

The weekly cycle is simple and Biblical: Day one, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six (preparation day), day seven (Sabbath).

This cycle has been kept by God's people and Christ himself without interruption or insertion of days.  It was commanded in the 10 Commandments.  It was reaffirmed by Ellen G. White.

To introduce confusion where there is none is a ploy of the devil.  Why would anyone give credence to a theory of man when the Biblical directive and example is so clear?

The Sabbath More Fully Lesson 8: Timing and Calculating the Holy Days
Calculating the Weekly Sabbath: Luni-Solar or Seventh Day of the Week?

It seems such a simple question: how do you calculate the weekly Sabbaths? Yet it is far from simple. Since the devil is working to divide and conquer among Sabbath-keeping, Torah-following believers, we should come to expect differing doctrines on all important subjects. The teaching of which day is the Seventh-day Sabbath is no exception. In fact, there are two points of view regarding determining which day is the weekly Sabbath:

  • Viewpoint #1 - The weekly Sabbath is calculated from counting a seven-day cycle through the weekdays – Sabbath is the Seventh-day of the Week or “Saturday” (as it is currently called)
  • Viewpoint #2 - The weekly Sabbath is calculated from the lunar phases – Sabbath is "luni-solar" (calculated by the phases of the moon) – not “Saturday”. In this view, counting from the sighting of the new moon, the eighth, fifteenth, twenty-second and twenty-ninth day of the lunar phases are the weekly Sabbaths

To begin, let us look at Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11. Here God gives us details and instructions about the weekly Sabbath. To determine which day is the Sabbath, we must submit both concepts (luni-solar Sabbath versus "Saturday" Sabbath) to the microscope of the Word. For, the true weekly Sabbath will adhere to ALL the Biblical teachings about the weekly Sabbath. For the purpose of this study, we will specifically look for Sabbath timing details (which are set apart in bold in the following verse and summarized in a list below).

Genesis 2:1-3 - "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the Seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made."

Exodus 20:8-11 - "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."

From these Bible passages, we find the following timing details:

  • God created the first Sabbath on earth as a commemoration of the day He rested from His 6-day work of creating the world.
  • The first weekly Sabbath fell on the Seventh-day of the Earth's first week.
  • The weekly Sabbath follows six days of labor
  • The weekly Sabbath is also called "the Seventh-day" Sabbath because it consistently falls on the Seventh-day of a repeating cycle.

Is the Seventh-day lunar? The Bible teaches that the holy days are to be calculated by the heavens. Consider Genesis 1:14. "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."

The Seventh-day Sabbath must consistently follow a seven-day cycle. But, there isn’t always a seven-day cycle between moon phases. Let us assume that the eighth, fifteenth, twenty-second and twenty-ninth day of the lunar month are Sabbaths as we verify whether or not these days would allow the Sabbath to always be a consistent count of seven days:

  • SABBATH: first quarter moon (eighth day no matter which weekday this day falls on) - 9th day (1st day of the week) - 10th day - 11th day - 12th day - 13th day - 14th day (6th day of the week)
  • SABBATH: full moon (fifteenth day of the lunar month) - 16th day (1st day of the week) - 17th day - 18th day - 19th day - 20th day - 21st day (6th day of the week)
  • SABBATH: waning quarter moon (twenty-second day of the lunar month) - 23rd day (1st day of the week) - 24th day - 25th day - 26th day - 27th day - 28th day (6th day of the week)
  • SABBATH: conjunction (dark moon) (twenty-ninth day of the lunar month) - this week will not be seven days, because we must wait for the new moon sighting (first visible sliver as the Hebrew term for New Moon is Rosh Hodesh - translated best as "renewed moon")... and then count out the days to the first quarter moon, or eighth day of the new lunar cycle. This final week of the lunar month is 9 days in length, as we will demonstrate on the following calendar (for clarity):

In the luni-solar construct, the last week of the lunar cycle is always longer than seven days. This time discrepancy is accounted for with a "gap theory" which accounts these days between the conjunction (dark of the moon) and the new moon sighting as "dead days," or days which don't count. Some of the luni-solar proponents have explained that this is a shadow picture of the jubilee. While this sounds very plausible at the outset, this teaching is not Scripturally sound for the following reasons:

  • The Bible makes a point to call the Sabbath the "Seventh-day" time and again. Never once does it suggest that a Sabbath can have followed a 9-day week cycle.
  • The clear Scriptural injunction for how to calculate Pentecost proves that the Seventh-day Sabbath must always be a consistent count of seven-days.

In Leviticus 23:15-16, we find the specific instructions for how Pentecost (also called the Feast of Weeks) is to be calculated. "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days..."

Thus, Pentecost is to be calculated as being BOTH 7 Sabbaths AND 50 days. Now, if the luni-solar belief is Scriptural, that the last Sabbath of the lunar cycle can be a part of a 9-day week, it should be possible to calculate only 7 Sabbaths for Pentecost and still have it come out to 50 days. Let's see whether it is possible to get 7 Sabbaths AND only 50 days with the luni-solar "gap theory," at the end of each month. Remember, Pentecost is in the third Biblical month, and is exactly seven Sabbaths and fifty days from First Fruits, falls during the Week of Unleavened Bread. Additionally, the Bible indicates that Pentecost is always the "morrow after the seventh Sabbath" (Leviticus 23:16)

  • First lunar week = seven days - total days = 7 - SABBATH 1
  • Second lunar week = seven days - total days = 14SABBATH 2
  • Third lunar week = seven days - total days = 21SABBATH 3
  • Fourth lunar week = nine days - total days = 30SABBATH 4
  • Fifth lunar week = seven days - total days = 37SABBATH 5
  • Sixth lunar week = seven days - total days = 44SABBATH 6
  • Seventh lunar week = seven days - total days = 51SABBATH 7
  • Day after the seventh Sabbath - total days = 52THAT'S 52 DAYS TO PENTECOST - NOT 50!

The only way to get seven Sabbaths and only 50 days in the count to Pentecost is to never break the cycle of consistently counting the Sabbath as the Seventh-day. There can never be a break in the seven-day week count and still get only 50 days.

  • First calendar week = seven days - total days = 7 - SABBATH 1
  • Second calendar week = seven days - total days = 14SABBATH 2
  • Third calendar week = seven days - total days = 21SABBATH 3
  • Fourth calendar week = seven days - total days = 28SABBATH 4
  • Fifth calendar week = seven days - total days = 35SABBATH 5
  • Sixth calendar week = seven days - total days = 42SABBATH 6
  • Seventh calendar week = seven days - total days = 49SABBATH 7
  • Day after the seventh Sabbath - total days = 50THAT'S 50 DAYS TO PENTECOST - Exactly as it says in Leviticus 23:15-16!

This lack of a consistent seven-day cycle is not the only issue to consider regarding the lunar Sabbath teaching. Consider the following additional Biblical discrepancies:

Discrepancy #1: The Moon was created on the 4th day of the week of Creation

If we want to understand weekly Sabbath-keeping today, we must study the original model of Sabbath found in the week of Creation. In so doing, we find that the first day of the first week wasNOT the first day of the first month. How so? Because a month is designated by the phases of the moon; but there wasn't a moon from which to designate, on the first day of the first week. Genesis 1:14-19 says, “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”

If the moon indicated the weekly Sabbath, it could not have been created on the 4th day! The Seventh-day Sabbath would then have to be called the third day!

Discrepancy #2: Christ did not keep the Sabbath by the lunar phases

The general claim of lunar sabbath adherents is that the lunar sabbath understanding was discarded during the Babylonian captivity, and was then replaced by the Sabbath of the day of Saturn (i.e., saturday) at that time. Thus, lunar sabbatarians would have us to believe that the remnant who returned to the Land of Israel were keeping a false sabbath.

This would then continue to be the case in the first century, when Messiah came in the flesh. We find, however, that Yahshua kept the same Sabbath day holy as did His fellow Jews about Him, (Matt 12:1-12/Mark 2:23-28; Mark 1:21; 3:1-4; 6:2; etc.), and we know that He came as one "under the Law," and that He never sinned (i.e., transgressed the Law). Therefore, the Sabbath kept by the Jews in the first century C.E. is the same Sabbath from creation codifed at Sinai.

If luni-solar Sabbath is true, than the 8th, 15th, 22nd,and 29th of the Biblical month will always be Sabbaths. But this is not so. Yahshua made clay to heal a man's eyes on the weekly Sabbath. And on that occasion, the Seventh-day Sabbath fell on the 23rd day of the month (a complete impossibility to the lunar Sabbatarian beliefs):

John records that Yahshua stood up on the last day of the Feast, the Great Day, and cried out to the crowd. This "last day, that great day" is the eighth day of the Feast of the 7th month and occurs on the 22nd day of Tishri (Leviticus 23:34-37). The next day (John 8:2), Jesus came again to the Temple early in the morning. After His discourse with the scribes and Pharisees, He healed a man who was blind from birth. John recorded that "it was the Sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and open his eyes." (John 9:14). This evidence shows that the 23rd day of Tishri was a Sabbath that year.

Discrepancy #3: The Moon itself does not consistently adhere to the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th!

It is possible to have a full moon on the 12th day rather than the 15th. In such a case, the seven-day cycle is lost between the 8th lunar day and the 15th lunar day. An example of a possible 12th day Full Moon:

  • If... the 28th Dark moon conjunction occurs at 2 a.m. (i.e., approximately 8 hours into the 28th day)
  • And... the 29th is a continued dark moon
  • And... the 30th is a continued dark moon
  • Then... the 1st fresh crescent seen at 7:30 p.m. (65.5 hours after dark moon conjunction)
  • And... the 12th Full moon proper occurs at approximately 8 p.m. [being 13.73 days (approx. 330 hours) from conjunction--2 hours into the 12th day from the fresh crescent]

It is also possible for the full moon to fall on the 16th day of the lunar month. An example of a possible 16th day Full Moon:

  • If... the 30th Dark moon conjunction occurs at 5:30 a.m.
  • Then... the 1st fresh crescent seen at 7:30 p.m. (14 hours after dark moon conjunction)
  • Then... the 16th Full moon proper occurs at approximately 11:30 p.m. [15.8 days (approx. 378 hours) from conjunction--5.5 hours into the 16th day from the fresh crescent]

Discrepancy #4: Worship on the Lunar Phases is actually an ancient PAGAN practice!

One of the biggest reasons luni-solar proponents often give for believing weekly Sabbaths are determined by the moon phases is that the Gregorian calendar was created by Pope Gregory. The papal doctrines are the polluted "wine" of Babylon - no question. And there is no question that Pope Gregory DID indeed remove 10 dates from the calendar in 1582. But, does that mean that Pope Gregory somehow affected the Sabbath itself? NO! The order of the week days didn't change one iota by simply re-dating the days. The first day (which the pagans have named "Sunday") is still followed by the second day (Monday), and the third day (Tuesday), which was followed by the fourth day (Wednesday), followed by the fifth day (Thursday), followed by the sixth day (Friday), which was still followed by the same Seventh-day. See the calendar below for clarification of what Pope Gregory did to the calendar and why this change did not affect the weekly Sabbath count.

The Seventh-day was the Sabbath before Pope Gregory removed ten dates, and it was still the Sabbath after he removed them. It is not following a papal calendar to honor the seven-day count which started at Creation, simply because a calendar change took place in 1582... which didn't even affect the Seventh-day Sabbath count. So, it isn't pagan to keep the Seventh-day of the week. It really has nothing to do with Gregory! The Sabbath was before his changes, throughout and continued after in an unbroken cycle of seven.

But, lunar phase worship IS rooted in an ancient pagan practice. Worship on the lunar phases was anciently associated with worship of the “moon god” “Allah was the proper name of the moon-deity of the Arabs before Muhammad brought his brand of religion to them. They worshipped hundreds of idols in a big black cube, the Ka'aba, in Mecca. Today, they believe "Allah" resides inside this same black box, calling the Kaaba the "house of Allah". This term, Allah, was adopted because of its "name recognition" among the common population. Because the previously Pagan Arabs worshipped the moon diety they called Allah, you will often notice that the primary Islamic symbol is the crescent moon, placed above their places of worship in a similar way Christians use the cross.” Lew White,

The idol of the moon "god," pictured below, shows the moon in its new sliver phase on the chest (facing front). This is because in ancient middle eastern pagan practices the moon phase dates were considered to be the sacred day of Sin, called "Allah" later.

Discrepancy #5: There are Biblical Exceptions Proving That Specific Lunar Phase Dates Aren't Sabbaths!

In order for the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of the lunar cycle to be weekly Sabbaths, it must be provable that they are Sabbaths EVERY time, without exceptions. Yet, there are two significant exceptions on which these days are clearly NOT Sabbaths:

  • As was demonstrated above, the 23rd of Tishri (the seventh Biblical month) was the Seventh-day Sabbath when Yahshua healed the blind man's eyes, not the 22nd as is proposed by luni-solar adherents.
  • Also, the 15th of Abib is NEVER a Seventh-day Sabbath, according to the Scripture, as we will demonstrate below.

The fifteenth day of the month Abib is also referred to as the first day of Unleavened Bread. (Abib is the first month of the Biblical year, which begins sometime in April on a calendar.) Now, according to the luni-solar Sabbath theory, the 15th day of the lunar month is always a Seventh-day Sabbath. But, in the month Abib, the Bible makes it plain that the 15th is NOT a Sabbath. How so? Consider the statute stipulations for food preparation on the Seventh-day Sabbath compared with that of the statutes for food preparation on the fifteenth of Abib.

The statutes are very clear about prohibiting all food preparation on the weekly Sabbaths. It was even against the Torah (Hebrew for "instructions," also known as the "Law" of YHWH) to kindle a cooking fire on the Sabbath day. All food preparation for the weekly Sabbath was to be completed on the sixth day, also known as the "Preparation Day" for the Sabbath. This is stated in the following Scriptures:

Exodus 16:22-23 - "And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man... And he (Moses) said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake today (on the sixth day), and seethe that ye will seethe and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning."

Exodus 35:2-3 - "Six days shall work be done, but on the Seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the Sabbath day.

But, while it was plainly prohibited to cook upon the Seventh-day Sabbath, it was Biblically acceptable to prepare food on the 15th of Abib, which is the first day of Unleavened Bread - also known as an "annual Sabbath." This is stated in Exodus 12:15-16 - "Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you."

The Seventh-day Sabbath is calculated differently than the annual Sabbaths. This distinction is given in Leviticus 23. Leviticus 23:1-4 - "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My Feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the Seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings..."

After listing the Seventh-day Sabbath as the first of YHWH's "Feasts," there is a break in the thought before the annual Sabbaths are listed. The Bible continues to say, These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons."

Then, when we turn to the Psalm, we find that the "moon" was "appointed for seasons," (Psalm 104:19). Thus, the Seventh-day Sabbath is not among the "Feasts" of YHWH, which are determined by the moon. Just as was established at Creation, when the moon was made on the fourth day while Seventh-day Sabbath had come 3 days later, having started before the existence of any heavenly body, the Sabbath is a simple count of seven. It has continued unbroken from Creation. And it is still the weekly Sabbath today.

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