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***  Note from Adventist Online:  The following post contains falsehoods that cannot be proven from scripture.  It contradicts the truth about the Seventh-day Sabbath established at creation, affirmed in the Ten Commandments, and that Christ, all the prophets, and you and I keep Holy.  We have left this discussion intact so you can learn more about the basis of your faith.  Your study will show the following lunar calendar theory to be false and not Biblical as this post claims.  ***


The subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of the disappointment of 1844. It opened to view a complete system of truth, connected and harmonious, showing that God's hand had directed the great advent movement and revealing present duty as it brought to light the position and work of His people. The Great Controversy, p.423.

If the subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of 1844, would it not be wise to refer constantly to this wonderful, complete, connected and harmonious system of truth to reveal more truth to us in this last period of Earth‟s history? Besides the discovery of the work of our Great High Priest in the Most Holy Place and the commencement of the hour of judgment on October 22, 1844, the Millerites were also given a most important revelation regarding the sanctuary that almost came back to life in 1939.

Following the request of Pastor Wierts in the 1920 era, the General Conference of the SDA Church set up a Committee to re-visit the date of October 22, 1844. At that time, the Rabbinical Jews were questioning our stand on the Great Day of Atonement date in 1844, because according to the Jews it was celebrated on September 23 in 1844. The full collection of the research and data‟s of this Committee is available at Andrews University in Michigan.

It is called: the Grace Amadon Collection. The research is composed of 3000 pages and more on the subject of astronomy and the calculations of the Millerites to arrive at the true date of October 22, 1844. More specifically, the luni-solar calendar and the beginning of the year according to the Barley Harvest Mosaic law were re-discovered by William Miller and his associates. That in-depth study of the luni-solar calendar led them to the Karaites whom in the 8th century AD stood against the Rabbinical Jews who had long compromised the calculation of the calendar of the festivals of the Lord as they do to this day, by using the new moon after the vernal equinox instead of the new moon corresponding to the barley harvest.

Moses commanded that they should not even reap their barley until the first fruits of it had been offered to the Lord at the time of the Passover. Sidersky adds, "The aim of the Mosaic command was to regulate the months according to the course of the moon, and the whole year in accordance with the course of the sun -- by assigning as a starting point the lunar month coinciding with the beginning of a determined solar season." That determined solar season was still the barley harvest in the time of Christ. Later on, as after the dispersion of the Jews, the Sanhedrin did not content itself to observe the maturity of the barley, but added to it the observation and the calculation of the equinox.

The ceremony of the barley was the divine rule by which the position of the month Nisan (or first month Abib) was located... Such a provision as the barley-harvest control of the year thrusts definite certainty into Jewish reckoning in the time of Christ--- which held on until the Jews were scattered after the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70). By this rule, we know that the Nisan paschal moon could not come until the rains were over and the barley ripe. On those two counts, a Passover in Dystrius, the ancient name for March, is out -- for all the reports on agriculture and meteorology in Palestine, ancient and modern, show that March is the month for the latter rain, and that the barley ripens in April.
Grace Amadon Collection Part V Crucifixion Date, page 8.

In 1844, for the first time since the end of the 70 weeks, a problem in luni-solar reckoning directly related to the ministry of Christ, came up for solution. This problem reverted to the original Mosaic types, and therefore the calendar measure had to be a replica of the primitive Mosaic year. The following astronomical details were a necessary foundation for laying out this luni-solar calendar:
1) The appointed Jewish feasts dates;
2) New moon and full moon dates, as found in standard tables;
3) Form and lengths of the Jewish year -- common and embolismic;
4) Position of the moon in the heavens, and her times of setting; and
5) Difference in time between meridians.

The dates of the Jewish festivals, in Jewish time, are found in the Bible. They were given to Moses when he was in the mount with God. The book of Exodus, II Chronicles, II Kings, and the prophecy of Jeremiah contain definite dates for important events. Many such are found also in the prophecies of Ezekiel, Haggai, and Zechariah. They are all lunar time. These chronological references all go to show that the Jewish people, throughout the centuries, had a dependable calendar system, with its related festivals according to which events were reliably recorded. The feasts themselves occupied a period of more than half the Hebrew year, concerning which Moses had received instructions direct from God.

For nearly forty years Moses remained with Israel (and this was before they entered the Promised Land), and was thus responsible for the operation of these institutions which became an integral part of the Jewish polity. These were far-reaching in purpose, for God's original plan provides that all the families of the earth should come up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. But a common center of worship in the earth, when, from one new moon to another, by lunar reckoning, and from one Sabbath to another, by solar reckoning, all flesh would come to worship before God, shows that a luni-solar time system can be world-embracing in performance. Two millenniums after the world was created, Moses wrote that both great lights -- the moon as well as the sun -- were for days and years. The lunar year therefore had a part in the great plan of creation and is taken note of in the pages of Holy Writ.
Grace Amadon Collection - Solar Time, page 6.

Following the Biblically and astronomically sound original Karaites reckoning for the true Jewish sacred year, the Adventist leaders fix upon October 22 as the true 10th day of the true 7th month by applying this direct and simple formula: As the true "first month" began with the appearance of the new moon in April 1844, so the true "seventh month" in that year must begin with the appearance of the corresponding new moon after its change on the evening of October 11, the new moon becoming visible on the 13th, as every current calendar informed them. Therefore, they declared, the 10th day of the 7th month would fall upon October 22, New England-time reckoning. The time calculations for the specific day were complicated by the fact that not only does the Jewish sacred year differ from our Gregorian --- running from April to April, instead of from January to January -- but the Jewish or Biblical day is from sunset to sunset, instead of our arbitrary civil reckoning from midnight to midnight. All calculations must therefore accord with Biblical reckoning, and then be translated into our present Gregorian calendar, civil-time reckoning. All becomes clear when the inevitable relationship between Jewish and civil time is grasped... No intricate mathematical or astronomical calculation was necessary, so the Adventist position was easily understood by the common people.

Nevertheless, a scholarly mastery of the astronomical and chronological aspects of the question was a conspicuous characteristic of Millerites leadership and literature. It was because of this that their argument could not be gainsaid by the scholars of the time.

Definite note is taken, in the Midnight Cry of October 3, of the fact that the Rabbinate Jews had already observed September 23 as the 10th day of the 7th month, and that this was doubtless a month too early. In the same journal on October 11, we read; "The day (of Atonement) is observed by the Jews more than any other in the year, though they observe it one month earlier than the true time, as we think it is evident from the fact that barley is not ripe in Judea on the 16th day of the first month, as they reckon time; but the law of Moses required a sheaf to be waved before the Lord on that day." No Adventists looked for the Second Advent on September 23, the Rabbinate date, because for a year and a half they had all been following the Karaites reckoning for the sacred year -- both for the Jewish year 1843, and for 1844 -- which reckoning placed the first Jewish month in April, and in consequence the seventh month in October --- and therefore not in September.

Grace Amadon Collection, Report of Committee on historical basis, involvements and validity of the October 22, 1844 position. Part II. Chronological Development page 24-26 (excerpts).

The sanctuary was not given to Moses after sin as an after-thought in the mind of the Creator. The Bible is clear that the plan of salvation, as so wonderfully pictured in the sanctuary, was before the foundation of the world. The calendar Moses gave to the Israelites can be easily found throughout the sanctuary as it forms the very physiology or functioning of the Jewish economy. All of their festivals including the 7th day Sabbath were represented in the sanctuary through the pieces of furniture, sacrifices and ceremonies. (Numbers 28, Leviticus 23).

This calendar, based on the luni-solar Barley Harvest Mosaic law, was revealed to the Millerites to be restored for the last generation. This is indeed the fulfillment of Daniel 7:25, "He shall think to change times and laws".  

Christ not only kept the Sabbath as it was his custom, but also the Feasts that He himself instituted in order to teach the full and complete plan of salvation. We can follow Him in the sanctuary as the Passover Lamb offered on the cross in the Court, to His ascension and High Priesthood coronation in the Holy Place in heaven, with the sending of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to confirm it, and the Great Day of Atonement in the Most Holy Place entry on October 22, 1844. We only need for Him to stand up and come out of the Most Holy Place after the judgment of the living saints is done, probation to close. And He returns in the cloud of glory to take us Home.

Christ not only kept the festivals but He is the fulfillment of the Feasts as He:
  • Died on Passover AD 31 Abib 14. As established by the Millerites through the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 and 9:24-27.
  • Rested on Unleavened Bread Abib 15, which is also a 7th day Sabbath by luni-solar calendar reckoning.
  • Resurrected on Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost fifty days after Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Inspired the Millerites from 1834-1844 to give the Trumpets sound, which will be repeated through the Loud Cry under the Sunday Law still to come.
  • Entered the Most Holy Place on the Great Day of Atonement on October 22, 1844, to begin the judgment of the dead, while soon, no one knows how soon, the judgment of the living will start.
  • And is coming again to take us Home at the Feast of Tabernacles.
The Heavenly Father wants to sanctify us on His Sabbaths. (Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12). These are His Sabbaths including the 7th day Sabbath. Numbers chapter 28 indicates clearly the calendar of the sanctuary along with Leviticus 23. The calendar of the Creator can be found:
  • Daily Genesis 1 and 2
  • Weekly Genesis 1 and 2
  • Monthly Genesis 7 and 8; Exodus 9, 12
  • Yearly Exodus 9: 31, 32; Leviticus 23; Numbers 28 Sabbatical Year Leviticus 25
  • Jubilee year Leviticus 25
  • Millennium Revelation 20
The luni-solar week is as such:
New Moon 1st of the month
7th Day Sabbath The 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th respectively

All of the Feasts are to be fulfilled in the believers who follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes. It is false to declare that these Feasts were finished at the cross, since the Great Day of Atonement has been proclaimed by the Adventists only since 1844. Except for Passover, Christ still fulfilled them after His death in resting on Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) and resurrecting on Abib 16 (Firstfruits). The type of the Passover Lamb met the antitype at the cross. Passover was fulfilled and replaced by the Lord`s Supper. No longer is there a need for a lamb to be sacrificed. Christ is the Lamb of God. However, the other feasts types met their antitype after the cross and were not nailed to the cross.


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Well for one:

      "And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars." Genesis 1:16 (ESV)

Is there any question that the greater is the sun and the lesser one is the moon?  If so, read the next exhibit.

    " . . . to him who made the great lights,
        for his steadfast love endures forever; 
    [8] the sun to rule over the day,
        for his steadfast love endures forever; 
    [9] the moon and stars to rule over the night,
        for his steadfast love endures forever;'? Psalm 136:7-9 (ESV) 

I suppose that in fact, the burden lies in showing that the sun is not the heavenly element that rules over the day and that the moon is not what rules the night.  Right?


Happy Sabbath!


Maranatha :)



Ray, one has to understand what sun you are referring to.  The sun of our solar system, which is the main discussion on this tread, is not a major sun by any means.  Our sun is one of the smallest suns of the entire universe.  Think of the size of our sun in contrast to some of the bright stars of the universe.  In one of the discussions regarding sizes of the various suns of the universe, one of the stars is S DORADO star, which is equivalent to 800,000 sun of our solar system in size.  So, definitely, our sun of our solar system, sinks to a very insignificant object of the universe.  OUR SUN, of our solar system, IS DEFINITELY NOT the SUN of the universe.  As i have stated earlier, our Creator God has established a CALENDAR which is not tied to the movement of any star in the universe.  It is GOD'S CALENDAR, which all the sinless inhabitants of the countless inhabited planets are keeping time on.  The real CENTER of the universe is the THRONE of our Creator God.  Our God has established a UNIVERSE CALENDAR which ALL the sinless inhabitants of the many sinless planets are governed in time.  God's universe is government by God's TIME, which is being followed by the inhabitants of the entire universe.  "From one Sabbath to another...." the celestial beings keep track of DIVINE TIME, which is not tied to any SUN in the universe.  God's LAW is eternal, and His Sabbath is eternal too.  Let us live a life totally under the control of the Holy Spirit, and live a Christlike life, so that after the sin problem of our planet earth is ultimately done away with, ALL the holy inhabitants of the entire universe will be keeping track of gathering "from one Sabbath to another...." in God's eternally established weekly cycle of the Universe.  MARANATHA, and God bless us all.


Shall I ignore that post? G 


Not too long ago I purchased a thermometer.  It has an element that you hang outside with another one that you hang inside.  The outside one radios the inside one with the temperature and the time, yes the time. 


All I had to do was hang up the one outside and within hours, it had picked up the national atomic clock signal, from whereever it is: 'Washington?" or "Colorado?" or "?????"  I am not sure, but it broadcasts a signal as to what time it is and that is the time displayed on my inside element of my thermometer.


Now, if humans can devise such a system (I also have a clock in my bedroom that also picks up that same signal) so that clocks all over the nation can pick up this signal as to what time it is.  Dare we even suggest that God has a lessor system? 


I for one beleive that all of the suns, no matter what their size or location, are all timed the same.  Yes, our sun is one of the smallest suns that we have leaned about, I agree. However, how unreasonable is it to beleive that all the planets that rotate around those suns are not all timed the same?  Just how hard is that to believe?  It would not be that hard to have it be the Sabbath in Heaven at the same time as it is the Sabbath on earth.  I am for sure that God has a much more sophisticated plan for time keeping than man has ever even dreamed of, far superior to the atomic clock that broadcasts a signal that my clock and thermometer can detect and by which they can set themselves from the information being sent out. 


So, one thing we do know is that the sun is designed to rule the day, to determine the day, to set the boundries of the day.  The moon has no part at all in determining the day.  As to how God has synchronized all of the suns in the Universe, I do not know, but I am sure that God has at least as good of a way of synchronizing things as humans have come up with.


Maranatha :)


Mo'ed means "appointed place of meeting." . . . The word mo'ed keeps its basic meaning of "appointed," but varies as to what is agreed upon or appointed according to the context: the time, the place or the meeting itself . . . The meaning of mo'ed is fixed within the context of Israel's religion (The New Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words.)

Mo'ed often designates a determined time or place without any regard for the purpose.Since the Jewish festivals occurred at regular intervals, this word becomes closely identified with them . . . Mo'ed is used in a broad sense for all religious assemblies.It was closely associated with the tabernacle itself. God met Israel there at specific times for the purpose of revealing His will.It is a common term for the worshiping assembly of God's people (Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible, "Lexical Aids to the Old Testament," 1626, emphasis supplied.)

Satan is saying, in Isaiah 14, that he will be like the Most High because he will sit on the mount of the congregation - the mountain of mo'ed.He will establish when to worship, and by virtue of exercising that power, usurp the right to be worshiped.

The first time that mo'ed appears in the Bible is in Genesis 1:14: "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."

The word translated "seasons" is mo'ed.Right in the middle of Creation week, Holy Scripture records that one of the purposes of the lights in the heavens was for determining mo'ed - when the appointed time for worship should be. This is affirmed in Psalm 104:19 - "He appointed the moon for seasons."Again, the word "seasons" is mo'ed while the word "appointed" means to do, make or create.God created the moon for the express purpose of establishing the times of worship.



You have done a masterful job in mixing up the facts.  Instead of just a "fruit salad," You have made a "smoothie."  I'll not take the time and space to point out the problems in your post.  Just let the record show that your line of reasoning is lacking much in accuracy.


Maranatha :)

Go ahead and make the corrections,

in my post . Im hear to learn.



There is another way.  Just stop posting to it.  Right?


We, as a people trust so much to Ministers and Admin of Adventist Sites. 


I have to agree with these people in some points, being, God is a God of order and timeliness.  Order is the very first law of heaven.

Christ was sent on time, was born on time, died on time, and rose on time.  God does everything according to a  divinely appointed schedule. The universe runs according to His Great Wisdom, and everything is done according to his timeframe.  See Ecclesiastes. "There is a time to every purpose...."




Only if you keep posting. ROFL



Ray, dont you think that would have been hurtful to the person who posted this.  No matter what we believe we owe others the respect and love God has for them.




No hurt was intended.  The question on the table was regarding ending this discussion.  If no one posts to it, it ends, right? 


If anyone was offended by that bit of logic, I am sorry, no hurt was intended.  However, often it is facts that hurt the worst.  So, do we stop presenting facts just because they might hurt someone?




i do have a question for you.  email me:      [email address removed]


sir james


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