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***  Note from Adventist Online:  The following post contains falsehoods that cannot be proven from scripture.  It contradicts the truth about the Seventh-day Sabbath established at creation, affirmed in the Ten Commandments, and that Christ, all the prophets, and you and I keep Holy.  We have left this discussion intact so you can learn more about the basis of your faith.  Your study will show the following lunar calendar theory to be false and not Biblical as this post claims.  ***


The subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of the disappointment of 1844. It opened to view a complete system of truth, connected and harmonious, showing that God's hand had directed the great advent movement and revealing present duty as it brought to light the position and work of His people. The Great Controversy, p.423.

If the subject of the sanctuary was the key which unlocked the mystery of 1844, would it not be wise to refer constantly to this wonderful, complete, connected and harmonious system of truth to reveal more truth to us in this last period of Earth‟s history? Besides the discovery of the work of our Great High Priest in the Most Holy Place and the commencement of the hour of judgment on October 22, 1844, the Millerites were also given a most important revelation regarding the sanctuary that almost came back to life in 1939.

Following the request of Pastor Wierts in the 1920 era, the General Conference of the SDA Church set up a Committee to re-visit the date of October 22, 1844. At that time, the Rabbinical Jews were questioning our stand on the Great Day of Atonement date in 1844, because according to the Jews it was celebrated on September 23 in 1844. The full collection of the research and data‟s of this Committee is available at Andrews University in Michigan.

It is called: the Grace Amadon Collection. The research is composed of 3000 pages and more on the subject of astronomy and the calculations of the Millerites to arrive at the true date of October 22, 1844. More specifically, the luni-solar calendar and the beginning of the year according to the Barley Harvest Mosaic law were re-discovered by William Miller and his associates. That in-depth study of the luni-solar calendar led them to the Karaites whom in the 8th century AD stood against the Rabbinical Jews who had long compromised the calculation of the calendar of the festivals of the Lord as they do to this day, by using the new moon after the vernal equinox instead of the new moon corresponding to the barley harvest.

Moses commanded that they should not even reap their barley until the first fruits of it had been offered to the Lord at the time of the Passover. Sidersky adds, "The aim of the Mosaic command was to regulate the months according to the course of the moon, and the whole year in accordance with the course of the sun -- by assigning as a starting point the lunar month coinciding with the beginning of a determined solar season." That determined solar season was still the barley harvest in the time of Christ. Later on, as after the dispersion of the Jews, the Sanhedrin did not content itself to observe the maturity of the barley, but added to it the observation and the calculation of the equinox.

The ceremony of the barley was the divine rule by which the position of the month Nisan (or first month Abib) was located... Such a provision as the barley-harvest control of the year thrusts definite certainty into Jewish reckoning in the time of Christ--- which held on until the Jews were scattered after the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70). By this rule, we know that the Nisan paschal moon could not come until the rains were over and the barley ripe. On those two counts, a Passover in Dystrius, the ancient name for March, is out -- for all the reports on agriculture and meteorology in Palestine, ancient and modern, show that March is the month for the latter rain, and that the barley ripens in April.
Grace Amadon Collection Part V Crucifixion Date, page 8.

In 1844, for the first time since the end of the 70 weeks, a problem in luni-solar reckoning directly related to the ministry of Christ, came up for solution. This problem reverted to the original Mosaic types, and therefore the calendar measure had to be a replica of the primitive Mosaic year. The following astronomical details were a necessary foundation for laying out this luni-solar calendar:
1) The appointed Jewish feasts dates;
2) New moon and full moon dates, as found in standard tables;
3) Form and lengths of the Jewish year -- common and embolismic;
4) Position of the moon in the heavens, and her times of setting; and
5) Difference in time between meridians.

The dates of the Jewish festivals, in Jewish time, are found in the Bible. They were given to Moses when he was in the mount with God. The book of Exodus, II Chronicles, II Kings, and the prophecy of Jeremiah contain definite dates for important events. Many such are found also in the prophecies of Ezekiel, Haggai, and Zechariah. They are all lunar time. These chronological references all go to show that the Jewish people, throughout the centuries, had a dependable calendar system, with its related festivals according to which events were reliably recorded. The feasts themselves occupied a period of more than half the Hebrew year, concerning which Moses had received instructions direct from God.

For nearly forty years Moses remained with Israel (and this was before they entered the Promised Land), and was thus responsible for the operation of these institutions which became an integral part of the Jewish polity. These were far-reaching in purpose, for God's original plan provides that all the families of the earth should come up to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles. But a common center of worship in the earth, when, from one new moon to another, by lunar reckoning, and from one Sabbath to another, by solar reckoning, all flesh would come to worship before God, shows that a luni-solar time system can be world-embracing in performance. Two millenniums after the world was created, Moses wrote that both great lights -- the moon as well as the sun -- were for days and years. The lunar year therefore had a part in the great plan of creation and is taken note of in the pages of Holy Writ.
Grace Amadon Collection - Solar Time, page 6.

Following the Biblically and astronomically sound original Karaites reckoning for the true Jewish sacred year, the Adventist leaders fix upon October 22 as the true 10th day of the true 7th month by applying this direct and simple formula: As the true "first month" began with the appearance of the new moon in April 1844, so the true "seventh month" in that year must begin with the appearance of the corresponding new moon after its change on the evening of October 11, the new moon becoming visible on the 13th, as every current calendar informed them. Therefore, they declared, the 10th day of the 7th month would fall upon October 22, New England-time reckoning. The time calculations for the specific day were complicated by the fact that not only does the Jewish sacred year differ from our Gregorian --- running from April to April, instead of from January to January -- but the Jewish or Biblical day is from sunset to sunset, instead of our arbitrary civil reckoning from midnight to midnight. All calculations must therefore accord with Biblical reckoning, and then be translated into our present Gregorian calendar, civil-time reckoning. All becomes clear when the inevitable relationship between Jewish and civil time is grasped... No intricate mathematical or astronomical calculation was necessary, so the Adventist position was easily understood by the common people.

Nevertheless, a scholarly mastery of the astronomical and chronological aspects of the question was a conspicuous characteristic of Millerites leadership and literature. It was because of this that their argument could not be gainsaid by the scholars of the time.

Definite note is taken, in the Midnight Cry of October 3, of the fact that the Rabbinate Jews had already observed September 23 as the 10th day of the 7th month, and that this was doubtless a month too early. In the same journal on October 11, we read; "The day (of Atonement) is observed by the Jews more than any other in the year, though they observe it one month earlier than the true time, as we think it is evident from the fact that barley is not ripe in Judea on the 16th day of the first month, as they reckon time; but the law of Moses required a sheaf to be waved before the Lord on that day." No Adventists looked for the Second Advent on September 23, the Rabbinate date, because for a year and a half they had all been following the Karaites reckoning for the sacred year -- both for the Jewish year 1843, and for 1844 -- which reckoning placed the first Jewish month in April, and in consequence the seventh month in October --- and therefore not in September.

Grace Amadon Collection, Report of Committee on historical basis, involvements and validity of the October 22, 1844 position. Part II. Chronological Development page 24-26 (excerpts).

The sanctuary was not given to Moses after sin as an after-thought in the mind of the Creator. The Bible is clear that the plan of salvation, as so wonderfully pictured in the sanctuary, was before the foundation of the world. The calendar Moses gave to the Israelites can be easily found throughout the sanctuary as it forms the very physiology or functioning of the Jewish economy. All of their festivals including the 7th day Sabbath were represented in the sanctuary through the pieces of furniture, sacrifices and ceremonies. (Numbers 28, Leviticus 23).

This calendar, based on the luni-solar Barley Harvest Mosaic law, was revealed to the Millerites to be restored for the last generation. This is indeed the fulfillment of Daniel 7:25, "He shall think to change times and laws".  

Christ not only kept the Sabbath as it was his custom, but also the Feasts that He himself instituted in order to teach the full and complete plan of salvation. We can follow Him in the sanctuary as the Passover Lamb offered on the cross in the Court, to His ascension and High Priesthood coronation in the Holy Place in heaven, with the sending of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to confirm it, and the Great Day of Atonement in the Most Holy Place entry on October 22, 1844. We only need for Him to stand up and come out of the Most Holy Place after the judgment of the living saints is done, probation to close. And He returns in the cloud of glory to take us Home.

Christ not only kept the festivals but He is the fulfillment of the Feasts as He:
  • Died on Passover AD 31 Abib 14. As established by the Millerites through the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 and 9:24-27.
  • Rested on Unleavened Bread Abib 15, which is also a 7th day Sabbath by luni-solar calendar reckoning.
  • Resurrected on Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost fifty days after Firstfruits Abib 16
  • Inspired the Millerites from 1834-1844 to give the Trumpets sound, which will be repeated through the Loud Cry under the Sunday Law still to come.
  • Entered the Most Holy Place on the Great Day of Atonement on October 22, 1844, to begin the judgment of the dead, while soon, no one knows how soon, the judgment of the living will start.
  • And is coming again to take us Home at the Feast of Tabernacles.
The Heavenly Father wants to sanctify us on His Sabbaths. (Exodus 31:13; Ezekiel 20:12). These are His Sabbaths including the 7th day Sabbath. Numbers chapter 28 indicates clearly the calendar of the sanctuary along with Leviticus 23. The calendar of the Creator can be found:
  • Daily Genesis 1 and 2
  • Weekly Genesis 1 and 2
  • Monthly Genesis 7 and 8; Exodus 9, 12
  • Yearly Exodus 9: 31, 32; Leviticus 23; Numbers 28 Sabbatical Year Leviticus 25
  • Jubilee year Leviticus 25
  • Millennium Revelation 20
The luni-solar week is as such:
New Moon 1st of the month
7th Day Sabbath The 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th respectively

All of the Feasts are to be fulfilled in the believers who follow the Lamb wheresoever He goes. It is false to declare that these Feasts were finished at the cross, since the Great Day of Atonement has been proclaimed by the Adventists only since 1844. Except for Passover, Christ still fulfilled them after His death in resting on Abib 15 (first day of Unleavened Bread) and resurrecting on Abib 16 (Firstfruits). The type of the Passover Lamb met the antitype at the cross. Passover was fulfilled and replaced by the Lord`s Supper. No longer is there a need for a lamb to be sacrificed. Christ is the Lamb of God. However, the other feasts types met their antitype after the cross and were not nailed to the cross.


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Man's body is consumed by worms and the meaning is that these consuming worms will not die until the body is reduced to dust.  Neither will the fire be quenched till "the carcasses" are reduced to ashes.  The reason why the worm and fire are mentioned here is told in the sixteenth verse: "For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh."  The destruction is accomplished by both, and where the sword is used, the worm will do its work.  "The worm shall not die....the fire shall not be quenched", means that the prophecy is sure, and the destruction foretold will be accomplished.

In other words the fire will burn until the wicked are consumed and the earth purified.

"Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, "The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon."  {EW 294.1} 
     Satan and his angels suffered long. Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but 
also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused. Then I saw that Satan and all the wicked host were consumed, and the justice of God was satisfied; and all the angelic host, and all the redeemed saints, with a loud voice said, "Amen!"  {EW 294.2}  
     Said the angel, "Satan is the root, his children are the branches. They are now consumed root and branch. They have died an everlasting death. They are never to have a resurrection, and God will have a clean universe." I then looked and saw the fire which had consumed the wicked, burning up the rubbish and purifying the earth. Again I looked and saw the earth purified. There was not a single sign of the curse. The broken, uneven surface of the earth now looked like a level, extensive plain. God's entire universe was clean, and the great controversy was forever ended. Wherever we looked, everything upon which the eye rested was beautiful and holy. And all the redeemed host, old and young, great and small, cast their glittering crowns at the feet of their Redeemer, and prostrated themselves in adoration before Him, and worshiped Him that liveth forever and ever. The beautiful new earth, with all its glory, was the eternal inheritance of the saints. The kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, was then given to the saints of the Most High, who were to possess it forever, even forever and ever. {EW 295.1}

Just spotted this...


Bill Dixon said, "the New Moon in heaven."




How did the moon get to heaven?

 It is not a question of how the moon will get to heaven but rather just where will we be. If Yahushua said,  "...from one new moon to another and one Sabbath to another..."and there is no moon in heaven then we have to be somewhere,where there is a moon.



In order to know truth, one has to go back to the beginning to establish just what truth is. 

Luke 24:13 (ESV) 
    That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, 

    "And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!  [26] Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?"  [27] And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24:25-27 (ESV)   

Just as Jesus started with Moses in regards to Himself, so we must base all truth on the writtings of Moses.  And at the beginning, not half way through his writtings.


When we do that, in regard to the role of the sun and moon, we find: 

"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, [15] and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. [16] And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. [17] And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, [18] to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. [19] And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day."    Genesis 1:14-19 (ESV) 

Let's carefully read it to see what it is telling us.  The Sun and Moon were given:

  1. "to separate the day from the night."
  2. "be for signs and for seasons,"
  3. "for days and years,"
  4. "to give light upon the earth."
  5. "the greater light to rule the day"
  6. "the lesser light to rule the night"

These are the respective functions of the sun and moon.  The Sun is to rule/determine the days, the Moon, is to rule, i.e., be the primary light of the night.  Nothing at all is said about the moon determining the day or marking the days.  It is the ruler of darkness, both literally and figuratively.


The psalmist underscores this when he wrote:

    "He made the moon to mark the seasons;
        the sun knows its time for setting." Psalm 104:19 (ESV) 

The sun determines the daily cycles, the moon marks off the seasons of the year.  Few things are stated much clearer in the Bible.  Those who do not carefully read, attempt to use one or a small group of texts to support an idea totally contrary to the Bible.  This is Satan's plan to confuse the unlearned, i.e. those who do not accuratly handle the word of truth. 


It is true that in the earth made new, that this pattern will be restored, just like all else God created in Eden.   The sun will again rule/determine the days and the moon will determine the seasons.  This will continue from one Sabbath to another, i.e. forever. 


Of course, if someone is determined to win the argument or to prove a pet theory, none of these facts will make any senses to them, nor will they accept them. 


The most common warning to the end time church is about false christs and false prophets, i.e. against being decieved.  The special point of attack is on the Sabbath day.  So, if Satan can get us to attempt to gain salvation by our own works, i.e. keeping the feast days and have a "sabbath" that wanders around the week, he make a mockery of God's orderly plan. 


There  is a mentality that the more one is "persecuted" for their unsupportable beliefs, that it is a proof of the validity of those beleifs.  Again, nowhere is it so stated in the Bible.  However, Peter does warn us about this.

    "If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.  [15] But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler.  [16] Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name."   1 Peter 4:14-16 (ESV)  

Since "evil" includes all that is against "it is written," this also includes holding to false teachings, those that have no legitimate basis in the Bible. 

Paul had the same problem with those in his day who wanted to cling to the feast days and the new moons, etc.  He wrote:

      "You observe days and months and seasons and years!  [11] I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain." Galatians 4:10-11 (ESV)

Then just a few texts later he wrote:

    "It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ."  Galatians 6:12 (ESV) 

The same thing could also be said for following the sanctuary system, any part of it.  When Jesus died on the cross, type met antitype. 

    "But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.  [14] For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility  
    [15] by abolishing the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,  [16] and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility." Ephes. 2:13-16 (ESV)  

That which was valid up to the cross was no longer valid.  For all of the symbols of the sanctuary system that pointed forward to the cross were no longer needed.  We do not need a flashlight when the sun is shinning. 

     "Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us.  [18] For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ.  [19] Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things."  Philip. 3:17-19 (ESV) 

    "Therefore, my brothers, whom I love and long for, my joy and crown, stand firm thus in the Lord, my beloved. "Philip. 4:1 (ESV)  

So, I plead with you and anyone else who has been caught up in this heresy.  Please, get away from it as soon as you can, for it is a denial of the cross and our only escape from sin. 


There is no heresy today that is more deadly than this one of lunar sabbaths and following the feast days.  For they all are "Old Covenant" efforts, i.e. attempts to work ones way into heaven.  Even God, back then, declared that the Old Covenant arrangement would not work.  See Deuteronomy 5:28, 29.  However, God gave them an opportunity to help them learn that fact.  Why would anyone want to go back into a failed system to find salvation?


Only those who are "New Covenant" believers can be saved.  These are those who choose to have God make them good, not attempting to follow rules and rituals in order to be saved.  That is leagalism of the highest sort.

This is written in agape love.  No personal jabs or insinuations are made.  I am only addressing issues, not personalities.  But, none-the-less, it is a vital issue and a heartfelt plea to escape the trap Satan is laying for our feet.  Flea to Jesus and trust in Him, not in sabbaths, feasts, new moons, or efforts to make yourself good.  The angel of  mercy will not continue to plead forever.  Also, all who influenced to this heresy by one's influence, their blood will be on the head of the one who leads them astray.  This is not something that any real Christian will want to be responsible for. 


Maranatha :)






Amen -- I second that. 

Keep the same Sabbath as Ellen White, and one shall be all right.

Remember, God rest, bless, sanctify, and SEAL His people on the Sabbath, and Ellen White will be with the 144,000 for keeping the 7th Day Sabbath.  And God is not a respecter of person.  So if one want such blessing keeping the same Sabbath as EGW.


Don't go for that New Light, because it is from the disguised angel of light, the Light Bearer (Lucifer), who deceived the countless billions of angels in heaven, who were cast down.  Don't say that we did not warn you when there will be gnashing of teeth.  

Is this forum NOT YET A CLOSED FORUM?  We see no light it it.  The Bible, the Spirit of Prophecy, and the experiences of the majority of the membership of the SDA churches worldwide show that GOD IS LEADING A MOVEMENT, who keep the Biblical, Ten Commandments identified, and other Bible references indicating that the Sabbath is a "SIGN" between God's people, or His denominated church, absolutely LEAVES NO ROOM for the so-called Luni-Sabbath.

      Christ has declared that He is the "LORD OF THE SABBATH."  No adjectives indicating "LUNI-SABBATH".  This is His declaration, and We FALL IN LINE, and FOLLOW HIM, in the worship of the BIBLE CREATION SABBATH. 

    Let's all steer together under the banner of Prince Emmanuel, who has always led His people to the TRUE WORSHIP of God's original Sabbath established in Eden.  TO HIM BE THE GLORY, HONOR, AND WORSHIP.  Amen.

Alex, it is  not our job to make people "see the light".  That job belongs to the Comforter. It is not our job to dictate to people what they should believe and what they shouldn't, that's called the Papal Syndrome.  For a good share of my life, I just believed what my Sunday school teachers and preachers told me. Little did I know,  unbeknownst to them,  they were lying to me.  That is why I still do a lot of studying on my own, I don't like being lied to. 

Most Adventist have no idea what it is like to come out of a Sunday church.  You lose all your friends, because they think you are nuts. My X-husband of 25 some years still makes Adventist jabs whenever he can and also makes fun of the children if they exhibit any Advent-ness. My mother tells me I'm going to Hell every time I talk to her and she calls me every week and yes, sometimes I just don't answer the phone. Caller ID is wonderful.   I hate going to family reunions because everyone is pointing out what has pork or sea creatures in it and someone has to make some smart remark about eating meat. Never mind the fact that I am not a vegetarian. My dad thinks I am lazy because I won't work a job  on Sabbath.  My grandmother went to her grave raking me over the coals over the Adventist issue.  This is only the tip of the iceberg and has gone on for 25 years. However, if anyone needs any help, I am the first person they call.  I think  this is all working out.

What I believe is between my Maker and I, if I learn something from the Scriptures, my only job is to throw it out there and if it is a good seed it will grow, if not, it dies.  If something I learn is truth and I keep it to my self I will be held accountable. 

Blessing in the name of Yahushua





If we prayerfully read these statements from God's prophet, Ellen White, we are told that ALL the ceremonies of the old covenant were prophetic, typical of mysteries in God's plan of salvation.



All the ceremonies of the Jewish law were prophetic, typical of mysteries in the plan of  redemption.” 6BC 1095



The glory of the gospel reflects light upon the Jewish age, giving significance to the whole Jewish economy of types and shadows.” Evangelism 231



The Lord Jesus was the foundation of the whole Jewish economy. Its imposing services were of divine appointment. They were designed to teach the people that at the time appointed One would come to whom those ceremonies pointed. But the Jews had exalted the forms and ceremonies and had lost sight of their object.” Christ's Object Lessons, 34



The lunar "shadow" Sabbaths were part of the old covenant, part of the system given to Moses. 

The lunar Sabbatarian theory has the same effect, it makes one lose sight of the object of these lunar Sabbaths, as they were prophetic.




Our only safety is in following the Messiah in everything. He was the “true Interpreter” of the whole old covenant system.



The true Interpreter must come. The One whom all these types prefigured must explain their significance.” DA 33



He is the only one who gives us the true interpretation of the feast days and the lunar Sabbaths, or “shadowy Sabbaths” as they are called in Colossians 2:16, 17... “shadows of things to come.”

God's annual lunar (shadow or ceremonial) Sabbaths were prophecies. Eight of these were observed and used for calculating from the 16th day of the first month, the day that the Wave Sheaf offering was brought, to the day before the Day of Pentecost in the old covenant system. These eight lunar “shadow” Sabbaths were dispersed among the 52 days of the spring feasts. There were four lunar Sabbaths dispersed among the 22 days of the fall feast days, making a total of 12 annual lunar or “shadow” Sabbaths during the entire year.

When the Passover was fulfilled, the lunar “shadow” Sabbath (the type) which was the next day, after the Passover, occurred on the 7th day Sabbath, which was the antitype, making the “high day” mentioned in John 19:31. The 7 remaining lunar Sabbaths that were counted in a 7-day sequence, (“from the morrow after this Sabbath” Lev.23:15, 16), also, fell on 7th day Sabbaths THAT YEAR, and reached to the day before the Day of Pentecost. Thus, one can see that God's lunar Sabbaths were to be counted in an exact 7-day sequence.

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days;” Leviticus 23:15, 16.

Incidentally, the Day of Pentecost was also called, “the feast of weeks” "...thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest," Exodus 34:22 Deuteronomy 16:16---seven weeks had been completed—49 days. Pentecost was the 50th day from the day God instructed them to count as number 1--”the morrow after the Sabbath”.

These weeks were “prophetic weeks”, in that they were prophetic of the literal 7-day week in the year of fulfillment when the Passover was fulfilled at the Messiah's death, along with the Wave Sheaf offering and the Day of Pentecost, etc.

One more point about God's lunar Sabbaths, is that they were calculated ONLY from the new moon of the first month (in the spring) and from the new moon of the seventh month (in the fall). They were NOT CALCULATED from the second and third new moons of the year, even though the seven-Sabbath count reached to the day before the Day of Pentecost in the third month.

And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: ON THE MORROW AFTER THE SABBATH THE PRIEST SHALL WAVE IT” Leviticus 23:11.

And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:” Leviticus 23:15

Now, the Lunar Sabbatarian theory, of which there are several variations, three that I am aware of, all attempt to destroy the Holy 7th-day Sabbath. None of them follow a perfect 7-day sequence for their Sabbaths. They all reset their Sabbath by the new moon of EVERY month, with some of them counting the new moon as a Sabbath, and some counting the next day after the new moon as the first day of their week. This, of course, makes the 8th day and the 15th day and the 29th day of EVERY month as their Sabbaths. Those variations that count the new moon as a Sabbath, then could have two Sabbaths within two or three days of each other. These Sabbaths are observed in place of the God's Holy 7th day Sabbath, abandoning completely the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and destroying the whole prophetic purpose of God's lunar “shadow” Sabbaths of the old covenant.

Moses' teaching in Leviticus completely refutes all these lunar Sabbatarian theories, specifically by the 8 lunar “shadow” Sabbaths in the spring feasts in their specified 7-Sabbath count in the 49 days to the day before the Day of Pentecost, with the perfect 7-day sequence of the lunar “shadow” Sabbaths.

Again, God's prophet, Ellen G. White, assures us of the correct 7th-day Sabbath of creation.

We are now keeping the seventh day,--the very day God has told us to keep,--and are here assembled on it for religious worship. The papacy has brought in another day, a common working day, and established it in opposition to the Sabbath of the Lord. This he has done so that men shall not see or understand what are the sacred claims of God resting upon them.” Review and Herald, December 18, 1888


So, you are telling me that Caesar after having done away with the lunar calendars Rome was using which they  borrowed from the Greeks and Etruscans, created a solar calendar along with his Egyptian friends that knew how to track the week from creation? Smarts dudes.

Connie, you don't need a calendar to know what day of the week it is. A calendar's purpose is to provide the date not to track the days.

Calendars' do not and cannot affect the progression of the days of the week.

John B,

I can see that you have no idea how the date, calendar, and weekly cycle came into use in our culture. Rome at one time used the lunar calendar, however it looks a though all changed as they rubbed elbows with Egypt and their solar calendar.  Rome also once had an eight day week that somehow was changed to  a seven day week with Saturn's Day beginning the first day of the week.  Then Saturn's Day was moved to the seventh day  of the week. We have been tracking time using the Julian and Gregorian calendars since they were created. And since this is the case, Caesar by a spark of Divine Genius must have known that when he place Saturn's Day on his calendar in the seventh day position that he was doing the will of God and reinstating the Seventh-Day Sabbath.  Do you think he may have also been discussing his making of the calendar with his Hebrew subjects?  Is this how he was able to do this?

Just wondering


Did you ever stop and consider that God defeats the council of the wicked? Caesar may have wanted to do something his way but the Most High made sure that the Sabbath was kept on the seventh day where it belonged. It is the same with the bible, through out time man has tried to obliterate Gods word bur He has preserved it.


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