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It will not be as many think, but those who follow Jesus will be in heaven at this period. The Millennium or the 1000 year reign of Christ with His saints comes about, but the Bible says it is in heaven between the first and second resurrections, not on earth. During this time the wicked dead will be judged and the earth will be utterly desolate, without any living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his evil angels. At the close of the Millennium or the 1000 years in heaven, Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The wicked dead will then be resurrected and face the final judgement, along with Satan and his angels at the Lake of Fire which will consume them and cleanse the earth of sin forever.

As Christians we know that Jesus is preparing a place in heaven for us, all Christians should agree on that, and He will come again at the Second Coming and take the saints to heaven. A few days before His death, Jesus told His disciples what He was going to do before coming back at the Second Coming:
John 14
King James Version (KJV)
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

So how will He come, does the scripture tells us? 40 days after His resurrection, Jesus led His disciples to a clearing and a cloud of angels came and Jesus was raised up into the cloud.
Acts 1
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”Jesus ascended literally, bodily, in full view of His disciples and followers. As they watched Him go up, two angels appeared and said He would come back "in like manner" as He went up. Thus Christ's Second Coming will be literal, bodily, and visible to normal human eyes. Paul told the early believers to keep looking for the visible return of Jesus.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

There will be nothing secret about His return. Jesus told them plainly how it would be, and the Second Coming will be awsome.
Matthew 24:25-27
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

But Jesus also warned that false messiahs bring false hope would try to fool them:
Matthew 24
King James Version (KJV)
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

But Christ Second Coming cannot fool the faithful who read His word as they are told clearly what they will see and there is nothing secret about it and how Christ will come. Christ's return will be loud and visible to the eyes of "all the tribes of the earth." When He comes and the heavenly trumpet sounds and the billions of angels come in a great cloud, no o*ne will wake up the next day wondering what happened.
Revelation 1:7
& #8220;Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.

Matthew 24
King James Version (KJV)
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Scripture tells us that at the Second Coming, Christ comes with his angels and resurrects the saints and they rise up to the cloud of angels and Christ takes His saints to heaven and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. Satan is left to wander the earth alone during the Millennium, as at the coming of Christ the wicked are slain and the earth is left empty and desolate for the 1,000 years and we see it in Revelation 20.

Revelation 20
King James Version (KJV)
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

During the millennium, the thousand-year period of which Revelation 20 shows us, Satan's will be bound or his influence over the earth will be restricted, and Christ will reign with His saints

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.a 1000 years on earth, in fact everyone that follows Christ will be in heaven.

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Gene said, "We have a world population of about 7 billion people, if due to some act of God or man half of this number were depleted the earth would still be desolate, and more so if it was more than half; desolation does not mean annihilation."

Meaning of "desolation":-

Cambridge Dictionary: "Desolate: A desolate place is empty and not attractive, with no people or nothing pleasant in it"

Merriam Webster: "devoid of inhabitants and visitors : deserted "

(According to Meriam Webster, one of the synonyms for annihilation is desolation.)

Oxford English Dictionary: "1. (of a place) uninhabited and giving an impression of bleak emptiness"

ORIGIN late Middle English : from Latin desolatus ‘abandoned’, past participle of desolare, from de- ‘thoroughly’ + solus ‘alone’.

Collins English Dictionary: "A desolate place is empty of people and lacking in comfort."

Synonyms: uninhabited, deserted, bare, waste, wild, ruined, bleak, solitary, barren, dreary, godforsaken, unfrequented

Gene said, "The earth will not become desolate dark planet for a thousand years, it not biblical."

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, vain repetition doesn't make it so.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:" (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." (Revelation 20:5)

The problem with your theory is that for it to work you:

1. Deny what the Bible says;

2. Claim the Bible contradicts itself;

3. Claim that God's word is not plain;

4. Deny what dictionaries say;

5. Contradict yourself;

etc., etc.

Seriously, Gene, with so much against what you claim and when you don't even agree with yourself half the time your theorising is just vanity. Yet you cling to these absurdities, why? Is it more important that you be right than that the Bible, dictionaries, Bible scholars and the plain usage and meaning of words?

You put yourself at variance with everybody else just to claim that universalism is right and that everyone is saved no matter what they have done? 

"Let not him that is deceived trust in vanity: for vanity shall be his recompence." (Job 15:31)

Gene wrote, “The resurrection and the thousand-year are not about those who are resurrected living their own lives; you made that up.”

Well no, Gene, it is you who are making things up and this lack of honesty in your responses is a reflection of the confusion that you present in your answers. It is not a good look when you have to begin your post with dishonesty.

I said, “they reign over their own lives”. However, your rebuttal is essentially a repetition of what I said except that that you deny that they reign over their own lives. But if they don’t reign over their own lives then they are not in the pre-fall state of Adam and they must need an intercessor and cannot be priests. Yet, later on you state that they are priests? You see how confusion and contradiction runs through your responses and logic is very lacking?

Gene then said, “You state that Rev. 5:10 does not mention the 1,000 year period at all; but it does.”

Well, here is that verse, “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” (Revelation 5:10)

There we are, that is the entirety of the verse. Seventeen words in total, none of them are “1,000” or “years”. Read it again if you need to but it is apparent that, as I said, those words are not found in that verse. You know it, I know it, everyone who reads the verse knows it, so, I repeat, Rev.5:10 does not mention the 1,000 years at all.

Now let’s look at your understanding of what it means that the redeemed reign:

Gene said, “Jesus by his own blood has made those who are resurrected first to be a kingdom of priest

So, not kings but a kingdom. Your words. A kingdom of priests, again, your words. Now a kingdom does not reign, it is reigned over and in this case it is reigned over by Christ, the King of Kings. A priest is an intercessor before God. The priests, especially the High Priest were types of Christ – the sanctuary service is very clear about this. The priest brought the sacrifices of the people before God. Now we are shown a kingdom of priests, no ordinary people, all are priests which means they are able to intercede on their own behalf. This can only be so if they have dominion over themselves. So, in what sense can we say that this kingdom reigns? In that they have dominion over themselves, they are no longer subject to satan but they are able to stand before the throne of God without an intervening intercessor.

Now I want to be very clear here, because of your track record of reversing your position with every post, I begin from the position that you have accepted and presented, that a better rendering is that the redeemed are a kingdom and a priesthood (priests).

Here are your words again, “Jesus by his own blood has made those who are resurrected first to be a kingdom of priest”.

Now if they are a kingdom consisting of priests then they can only be reigning over themselves, right? There’s no-one else in the kingdom so they can only be reigning over themselves.

In Romans 5:17 Paul presents a counterpoint to his statement in vs. 14 that, “death reigned” over man to proclaim that, for the redeemed, the righteous, “they shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ”. The very thing that you deny is what Paul states, in fact he affirms this in 1 Cor.4:8 where he says, “Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.” How is it possible that they reign? By the “abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness” (Romans 5:17) What you are denying is the result of the righteousness by faith that Paul wishes for the Corinthians. As Solomon says in Proverbs 16:32 “…he that ruleth his spirit [is better] than he that taketh a city.”

Matthew Henry puts it this way, “Christ has redeemed his people from the bondage of sin, guilt, and Satan. He has not only purchased liberty for them, but the highest honour and preferment; he made them kings and priests; kings, to rule over their own spirits, and to overcome the world, and the evil one; and he makes them priests; giving them access to himself, and liberty to offer up spiritual sacrifices.”

Whilst I do not subscribe to everything Henry teaches, on this point he has it right, it is the overcomers that are clothed in white raiment, the righteousness of Christ (Rev.3:5) and sit on the throne of Christ (Rev.3:21).

In other words this is, as Peter puts it, “a royal priesthood” (1 Peter 2:9), a kingdom of priests, His church is a kingdom of priests. If they do not reign over themselves then who is reigning over them other than Christ as the King of kings? Remember that these, like Adam in his pre-fall state, need no intercessor to stand before the throne of God (Rev.7:15; 14:5).

So, as you say, they are a kingdom of priests and they cannot be on the earth during the millennium because you have stated that the world is desolate, no-one living there. You, Gene, stated, “the words land and earth are interchangeable. He says Blow yea the trumpet in the land, but what land? Then he sees that land i.e. the earth in disarray, desolated due to the nuclear calamity that is going to occur in it.”

So, let’s reiterate:

You, Gene, said that the redeemed are a kingdom of priests and that the earth is left desolate so they cannot be on the earth. Your words. As it is only the redeemed that are in heaven (none of the wicked go to heaven) the only people that they can be reigning over are themselves. As you have been shown many times, this is exactly what the Bible says. It seems to me that the real problem is that you put forward a theory of faith that not only does the Bible not support but that you don’t even agree with. You spend most of the time arguing with yourself because you don’t believe what you are presenting here – and if you don’t believe it why do you think that we would?

I suggest that the Bible truth has been presented to you enough times here and that now you need to go away and argue with yourself until you have worked out exactly what you do believe. Right now you are wasting everyone’s time by claiming things that even you don’t believe, nor are you able to scripturally argue.

I want to add something to the above:

Gene stated that "those resurrected help Jesus accomplish his purpose", which I challenged on the basis that Christ needs no help to accomplish His purpose which was to die for the salvation of those who accept His sacrifice. 

Gene agreed and said, "Jesus was indeed the only one who could die for the sins of the world."

But then says, "The work of salvation will continue through the great white throne judgment. The 1000 years is a judgment period".

This sounds akin to the teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses, that those who are not saved when Christ returns will have a second chance at salvation.

This is gross error. The Bible states that "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Revelation 20:5) so no-one has the opportunity to change their decision made before Christ comes, their is no continuing of the work of salvation, Acts 17:30 tells us that salvation is only available before the judgment (vs.31).

Gene goes on to say, "Those reigning with Christ will rule with him, they will sit on throne judging the world and bringing righteous judgment in the earth, as Paul told the Corinthians.

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?"

The question, then, is who judges and when?

Firstly, who judges?

"Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." (Acts 17:31) This, of course, refers to Jesus Christ and is confirmed in Acts 10:42; Romans 2:16; 2 Tim.4:1,8; Heb.10:30; 12:23; 13:4; James 5:9; 1 Peter 4:5; Rev.6:10; 19:11.

Next, when does the judgement take place, is it after Christ returns or before?

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelation 22:11-12) It is clear from these verses that judgement takes place before Christ returns. It is when He returns that His judgments fall on the earth (2 Peter 3:10)

So, Christ judges before He returns and brings that judgment with Him (cf. Dan.7:9-14).

How do we reconcile that with the saints judging the world?

We should note that judgment is given to the saints, not judging but a completed judgement: "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4)

This is the equivalent to the work of an appeal court in human terms. A judge makes a decision, a judgment, and that judgment is reviewed by a court of appeal. It is in that sense that the saints have a role in the judgment (Psalm 149:9) and the final execution of the penalty does not take place until the end of the 1,000 years (Rev.20:7), after the "appeal court" of the saints have had the opportunity to confirm the righteousness of Christ's judgment. (Rev.20:7-15)

JohnB said,

“This is gross error. The Bible states that "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished”

In Revelation 19 we are shown a scene of Jesus returning to earth and it says this

…And a sharp sword came out of His mouth, with which He would strike down the nations. And He will rule them with an iron staff and will trample on [the grapes of] God Almighty's winepress of anger.

He will strike down the nations or smite the nations which is not a deadly blow, but nations will be trampled upon like grapes. The final result of this is he will rule the nations.

We know that when Jesus returns the resurrection will occur, this is seen in chapter 20.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

(But)...the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The subject is the resurrection of those who are dead. Some of those who are dead, live again and reign with Jesus a thousand years. But The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.

Seeing that we are told that Christ will rule the nations, certainly show that human beings will be on earth during this period.

In Revelation 2 Jesus shares with the church one of the many rewards of overcoming this present evil age.

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

So, they too will rule the nations even as Jesus, with the same authority Jesus received from God the Father.

The word rule means to govern; as Psalm 67:4 says.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah

Peace 

 

 Gene wrote: "But)...the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
The subject is the resurrection of those who are dead. Some of those who are dead, live again and reign with Jesus a thousand years. But The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.
Seeing that we are told that Christ will rule the nations, certainly show that human beings will be on earth during this period."

 

 Sorry, just a couple of quick questions.... What do you believe about the first resurrection? Do you believe the rest of the dead are part of the first or second resurrection? 

 Do you believe righteous saints will be resurrected in the first and second resurrection? 

 As you know, SDA teaching, which is Biblical teaching, despite what you believe... we believe the earth will have no man on the earth during the 1000 years...  Jeremiah shows there is a time this earth won't have any human on it...

 Jer. 4:25 I beheld [the earth], and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

  

   Trying to use Isa.24 to somehow suggest Jeremiah is not talking about the whole earth, and that when he looked and saw "no man" on earth, that he was looking at certain locations on earth, and that there is actually people in other locations on earth... that my friend just doesn't hold any weight. The clear fact is, Jeremiah sees the whole earth, and he sees no man

  

  Jer.4:27 "... The whole land [earth] shall be desolate,..."


Gene wrote: "...,the planet will not be left desolate for any time." -- "Jeremiah is not speaking of the desolation of the planet earth"
 

  GOD said the whole earth shall be desolate, and you say it will not be desolate. You see the problem here Gene? 

Peace.

Reasoning said,

Do you believe the rest of the dead are part of the first or second resurrection?

Of course, the rest of the dead is of the second resurrection which will occur at the Great White Throne Judgment.

2Cor. 5 says

that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

I believe that this reconciliation will continue in the second resurrection. Why? Because God wants everyone to be saved.

and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:

These people are being judge and are be reconciled by what is written in the books. I imagine that God’s plan of salvation will be opened up for their understanding at this time, they will have to fully know in order to be judged righteously. Right?

…and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Not all are cast into the lake of fire, only those whose name is not found in the book of life.

Speaking of reconciling, how are we to reconcile Jer. 4:25 with the many other text which show that the earth is not left in the state that is said? Do we omit those or do we dismiss them and pretend they don’t exist?

Ps. 96:10 Say among the nations, "Yahweh is king! Yes, [the] world is established [so that] it will not be moved. He will judge [the] peoples fairly." 11 Let the heavens be glad and the earth rejoice. Let the sea with its fullness roar. 12 Let [the] field with all that [is] in it exult. Then all [the] trees of [the] forests will sing for joy 13 before Yahweh, for he is coming; for he is coming to judge the earth. He will judge [the] world with righteousness, and [the] peoples with his faithfulness.

Maybe Jer. 4:25 is not saying what you have come to believe it is saying.

 

Peace


Gene wrote : "Speaking of reconciling, how are we to reconcile Jer. 4:25 with the many other text which show that the earth is not left in the state that is said? Do we omit those or do we dismiss them and pretend they don’t exist?"


Gene wrote: "Maybe Jer. 4:25 is not saying what you have come to believe it is saying."

  Thank you brother Gene, I appreciate your questions and the useage of the word "maybe", however you and I know you don't believe Jer.4:25 is saying what SDA teaches.

 I believe I answered your question on how we reconcile this apparent discrepancy in your view. Did you read my post? 

 To put it in a nutshell, we don't "omit", we harmonize scripture... Jeremiah is seeing the time on earth after the coming or presence of Jesus, and Isaiah is seeing the time before the coming of Jesus when all eyes can see Him , more than likely during the time of the 7 last plagues. 

Isaiah sees people still around after inhabitants of the earth are burned, 

Rev16: 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Jeremiah shows there is a time this earth won't have any human on it...


Jer. 4:25 I beheld [the earth], and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.


 Trying to use Isa.24 to somehow suggest Jeremiah is not talking about the whole earth, and that when he looked and saw "no man" on earth, that he was looking at certain locations on earth, and that there is actually people in other locations on earth... Again, that my friend just doesn't hold any weight. The clear fact is, Jeremiah sees the whole earth, that it's desolate, and he sees no man.



Jer.4:27 "... The whole land [earth] shall be desolate,..."

Gene wrote: "...,the planet will not be left desolate for any time." -- "Jeremiah is not speaking of the desolation of the planet earth"


GOD said the whole earth shall be desolate, and you say it will not be desolate. Again, do you see the problem here Gene?

Peace! 

 

No, I shared Is. 24:23 with you to show the hope that is awaiting the earth when Jesus returns.

Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his elders gloriously.

Here’s how some other bibles convey this verse.

Modern Spelling Tyndale-Coverdale

The Moon and the Sun shall be ashamed, when the LORD of Hosts shall reign in mount Zion and in Jerusalem with worship, and in the sight of such as shall be of his counsel.

NET Bible

The full moon will be covered up, the bright sun will be darkened; for the Lord who commands armies will rule on Mount Zion in Jerusalem in the presence of his assembly, in majestic splendor.

Bible in Basic English

Then the moon will be veiled, and the sun put to shame; for the Lord of armies will be ruling in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before his judges he will let his glory be seen.

The moon and the sun are in our earthy sphere. Mount Zion and Jerusalem are on earth.

So, if Jesus is to reign in mount Zion and Jerusalem as other scriptures tells us, for example;

…Is. 2:3 He will teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

How can the earth be the way you believe Jer. Is saying?

Peace 

Gene wrote: "No, I shared Is. 24:23 with you to show the hope that is awaiting the earth when Jesus returns."

 No, this discussion within our overall discussion, you are trying to show with Isaiah 24 that Jeremiah is not seeing the whole planet earth and its desolation. It's right here, 

Gene wrote: "...,the planet will not be left desolate for any time." -- "Jeremiah is not speaking of the desolation of the planet earth"

Gene wrote: "Isaiah 24 speaks of some these terrible events that are to occur. JohnB has accused me of ignoring it, but he’s the one who has.

  

Gene wrote: " I know that Jeremiah is the pinnacle view of what is believed, a desolated earth is necessary for your view. But in all of the horrific events that are pointed out by those who uphold this view they fail to understand that what they see is the end of this present evil age and the beginning of a new age, one in which the will of God will be done in the earth as it is in heaven."

  Your debating the Bible on weather or not Jeremiah actually sees the whole planet earth,  its desolation and having no man on it... This debate your having with the Bible and what GOD showed Jeremiah has you saying this,

Gene wrote : "Speaking of reconciling, how are we to reconcile Jer. 4:25 with the many other text which show that the earth is not left in the state that is said? Do we omit those or do we dismiss them and pretend they don’t exist?"

--- "Maybe Jer. 4:25 is not saying what you have come to believe it is saying."

 Unfortunately, because your so stuck on your belief, and unwilling to move from that belief, it actually has you asking whether we should omit, dismiss scripture.  With all due respect, Any honest Bible student would never think of dismissing any part of scripture.

 

One more time , to put it in a nutshell, we don't "omit", we harmonize scripture...

 Jeremiah is seeing the time on earth after the coming or presence of Jesus, and Isaiah is seeing the time before the coming of Jesus when all eyes can see Him , more than likely during the time of the 7 last plagues.


Isaiah sees people still around after inhabitants of the earth are burned, there is Biblical example for people being burned and people still being on earth.


Rev16: 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

 Jeremiah shows there is a time this earth won't have any human on it...

Jer. 4:25 I beheld [the earth], and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

  

Jer.4:27 "... The whole land [earth] shall be desolate,..."


Gene wrote: "...,the planet will not be left desolate for any time." -- "Jeremiah is not speaking of the desolation of the planet earth"

GOD said the whole earth shall be desolate, and you say it will not be desolate. once again, do you see the problem here Gene? Do you see your debating scripture? 

 

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JohnB said,

So, Christ judges before He returns and brings that judgment with Him (cf. Dan.7:9-14)

Let’s look at Daniel 7 for a moment. In here we see a judgment or a ruling passed down from God the Father, the Ancient of Days (vs.9).

First, we should consider what Jesus has said about the judgment in John 5:22.

“For the Father passes judgment on no one, but he has committed the judgment entirely to the Son…”

But in this scene, it is the Ancient of Days making the judgment. So, this tell me that this judgment is not upon any man; it is a ruling (judgment) upon the powers of the world.

The Ruling or Judgment:

  1. The beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
  2. The rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away.

A third ruling was also rendered during this proceeding (vs.11)

one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

There is also another significant ruling that will be made during this session.

…judgment was given to the saints (found in favor of) of the most High;

  • saints possessed the kingdom.

The Ancient of days came, ruled in their favor, that they will possess the kingdom.  The beast tried to get the verdict thrown, kicked out of court and overruled.

(vs.26) But the judgment shall sit:

  • they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

In addition to taking away his dominion, the court ruled again for the saints:

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

If you’re reading Daniel 7, it’s clear that this not about the people of the world, but is against the world powers whose kingdom will be taken and given to the saints.

What kingdom is Daniel speaking of? The kingdom of this world! This is confirmed in Rev. chapter 7.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So Dan.7 is not a judgment scene in regards to the people of the world, but one concerning the future of the world.

Gene said in relation to Dan.7:9-14, “in this scene, it is the Ancient of Days making the judgment.”

No, it is not. Nowhere in that passage does it say that the Father, the Ancient of Days, is making the judgement. In fact, it says the opposite and thereby harmonises not just with John 5:22 but also with Acts 10:42; 17:31; Romans 2:16; 2 Tim.4:1,8; Heb.10:30; 12:23; 13:4; James 5:9; 1 Peter 4:5; Rev.6:10; 19:11.

Gene also said, “this tell me that this judgment is not upon any man; it is a ruling (judgment) upon the powers of the world.”

The “powers of the world” and the "kingdoms of this world" are made up of men. In the same way that we are told that the church is not the bricks and mortar but is made up of believers so the antichristian powers are also made up of men. The beasts are not fabulous beings that emerge from black holes in space but are the man-made powers of this world made up by fallen men who are subject to the same one judgement – the judgement that Christ makes and brings with Him at His second coming.

The Earth Desolated

My attention was again directed to the earth. The wicked had been destroyed, and their dead bodies were lying upon its surface. The wrath of God in the seven last plagues had been visited upon the inhabitants of the earth, causing them to gnaw their tongues from pain and to curse God. The false shepherds had been the signal objects of Jehovah’s wrath. Their eyes had consumed away in their holes, and their tongues in their mouths, while they stood upon their feet. After the saints had been delivered by the voice of God, the wicked multitude turned their rage upon one another. The earth seemed to be deluged with blood, and dead bodies were from one end of it to the other. {EW 289.3}

The earth looked like a desolate wilderness. Cities and villages, shaken down by the earthquake, lay in heaps. Mountains had been moved out of their places, leaving large caverns. Ragged rocks, thrown out by the sea, or torn out of the earth itself, were scattered all over its surface. Large trees had been uprooted and were strewn over the land. Here is to be the home of Satan with his evil angels for a thousand years. Here he will be confined, to wander up and down over the broken surface of the earth and see the effects of his rebellion against God’s law. For a thousand years he can enjoy the fruit of the curse which he has caused. Limited alone to the earth, he will not have the privilege of ranging to other planets, to tempt and annoy those who have not fallen. During this time, Satan suffers extremely. Since his fall his evil traits have been in constant exercise. But he is then to be deprived of his power, and left to reflect upon the part which he has acted since his fall, and to look forward with trembling and terror to the dreadful future, when he must suffer for all the evil that he has done and be punished for all the sins that he has caused to be committed. {EW 290.1}

I heard shouts of triumph from the angels and from the redeemed saints, which sounded like ten thousand musical instruments, because they were to be no more annoyed and tempted by Satan and because the inhabitants of other worlds were delivered from his presence and his temptations. {EW 290.2}
Then I saw thrones, and Jesus and the redeemed saints sat upon them; and the saints reigned as kings and priests unto God. Christ, in union with His people, judged the wicked dead, comparing their acts with the statute book, the Word of God, and deciding every case according to the deeds done in the body. Then they meted out to the wicked the portion which they must suffer, according to their works; and it was written against their names in the book of death. Satan also and his angels were judged by Jesus and the saints. Satan’s punishment was to be far greater than that of those whom he had deceived. His suffering would so far exceed theirs as to bear no comparison with it. After all those whom he had deceived had perished, Satan was still to live and suffer on much longer. {EW 290.3}

After the judgment of the wicked dead had been finished, at the end of the one thousand years, Jesus left the city, and the saints and a train of the angelic host followed Him. Jesus descended upon a great mountain, which as soon as His feet touched it, parted asunder and became a mighty plain. Then we looked up and saw the great and beautiful city, with twelve foundations, and twelve gates, three on each side, and an angel at each gate. We cried out, “The city! the great city! it is coming down from God out of heaven!” And it came down in all its splendor and dazzling glory and settled in the mighty plain which Jesus had prepared for it. {EW 291.1}

The Second Resurrection

Then Jesus and all the retinue of holy angels, and all the redeemed saints, left the city. The angels surrounded their Commander and escorted Him on His way, and the train of redeemed saints followed. Then, in terrible, fearful majesty, Jesus called forth the wicked dead; and they came up with the same feeble, sickly bodies that went into the grave. What a spectacle! what a scene! At the first resurrection all came forth in immortal bloom; but at the second the marks of the curse are visible on all. The kings and noblemen of the earth, the mean and low, the learned and unlearned, come forth together. All behold the Son of man; and those very men who despised and mocked Him, who put the crown of thorns upon His sacred brow, and smote Him with the reed, behold Him in all His kingly majesty. Those who spit upon Him in the hour of His trial now turn from His piercing gaze and from the glory of His countenance. Those who drove the nails through His hands and feet now look upon the marks of His crucifixion. Those who thrust the spear into His side behold the marks of their cruelty on His body. And they know that He is the very one whom they crucified and derided in His expiring agony. And then there arises one long protracted wail of agony, as they flee to hide from the presence of the King of kings and Lord of lords. {EW 292.1}

All are seeking to hide in the rocks, to shield themselves from the terrible glory of Him whom they once despised. And, overwhelmed and pained with His majesty and exceeding glory, they with one accord raise their voices, and with terrible distinctness exclaim, “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord!” {EW 292.2}
Then Jesus and the holy angels, accompanied by all the saints, again go to the city, and the bitter lamentations and wailings of the doomed wicked fill the air. Then I saw that Satan again commenced his work. He passed around among his subjects, and made the weak and feeble strong, and told them that he and his angels were powerful. He pointed to the countless millions who had been raised. There were mighty warriors and kings who were well skilled in battle and who had conquered kingdoms. And there were mighty giants and valiant men who had never lost a battle. There was the proud, ambitious Napoleon, whose approach had caused kingdoms to tremble. There stood men of lofty stature and dignified bearing, who had fallen in battle while thirsting to conquer. As they come forth from their graves, they resume the current of their thoughts where it ceased in death. They possess the same desire to conquer which ruled when they fell. Satan consults with his angels, and then with those kings and conquerors and mighty men. Then he looks over the vast army, and tells them that the company in the city is small and feeble, and that they can go up and take it, and cast out its inhabitants, and possess its riches and glory themselves. {EW 293.1}

Satan succeeds in deceiving them, and all immediately begin to prepare themselves for battle. There are many skillful men in that vast army, and they construct all kinds of implements of war. Then with Satan at their head, the multitude move on. Kings and warriors follow close after Satan, and the multitude follow after in companies. Each company has its leader, and order is observed as they march over the broken surface of the earth to the Holy City. Jesus closes the gates of the city, and this vast army surround it, and place themselves in battle array, expecting a fierce conflict. Jesus and all the angelic host and all the saints, with the glittering crowns upon their heads, ascend to the top of the wall of the city. Jesus speaks with majesty, saying, “Behold, ye sinners, the reward of the just! And behold, My redeemed, the reward of the wicked!” The vast multitude behold the glorious company on the walls of the city. And as they witness the splendor of their glittering crowns and see their faces radiant with glory, reflecting the image of Jesus, and then behold the unsurpassed glory and majesty of the King of kings and Lord of lords, their courage fails. A sense of the treasure and glory which they have lost rushes upon them, and they realize that the wages of sin is death. They see the holy, happy company whom they have despised, clothed with glory, honor, immortality, and eternal life, while they are outside the city with every mean and abominable thing. {EW 293.2}

The Second Death

Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, “The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon.” {EW 294.1}

Satan and his angels suffered long. Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused. Then I saw that Satan and all the wicked host were consumed, and the justice of God was satisfied; and all the angelic host, and all the redeemed saints, with a loud voice said, “Amen!” {EW 294.2}

Said the angel, “Satan is the root, his children are the branches. They are now consumed root and branch. They have died an everlasting death. They are never to have a resurrection, and God will have a clean universe.” I then looked and saw the fire which had consumed the wicked, burning up the rubbish and purifying the earth. Again I looked and saw the earth purified. There was not a single sign of the curse. The broken, uneven surface of the earth now looked like a level, extensive plain. God’s entire universe was clean, and the great controversy was forever ended. Wherever we looked, everything upon which the eye rested was beautiful and holy. And all the redeemed host, old and young, great and small, cast their glittering crowns at the feet of their Redeemer, and prostrated themselves in adoration before Him, and worshiped Him that liveth forever and ever. The beautiful new earth, with all its glory, was the eternal inheritance of the saints. The kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, was then given to the saints of the Most High, who were to possess it forever, even forever and ever. {EW 295.1}

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