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Did christ take our fallen human nature? Or
Did Christ take the nature of adam before the fall.
What's your take? Provide sources.

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The way I understand from Ellen White's writings, and the Bible, Jesus was tempted with things that we could not understand , being only human.. That His temptations were to return, in a manner, to His previous glory, only in earthly form.. WITHOUT going through the cross.. WE could not be tempted with this.. We could never really fathom that.


And that is how it can be said that He cannot be tempted with evil.. And also that He does not tempt.. Cause what tempts us is all worldly stuff..


I like W W Prescott The Divine Human Family.. A booklet made up of 3 lectures from 1895, I think it was.. Anyway, its ALL Bible.. And it supports His AND our Divine connection.. Ours, via Him, of course..

Paul ok I get it now did not think he was just not using his divinity.

But it is a good topic for me to do some further studies.

Leslie, Much Love my sister. I love it when we study something without fighting... Glory to God. I have been personaly busy studying this subject. On I got some pretty sermons. You could also check them out. Guys like Dennis Priebe, Norman McNulty, and Eugene Prewitt. Very informative. I also studied the bible and Sop. I'm still busy now. Actually, this side of earth, we are taught the Ford theology. It does not satisfy though. I long for a closer walk with Jesus the best way possible. Much love my Sister.

Paul amen my brother praise the Lord..I will check out the speakers listed. 

But what is the Ford theology??

The guy denies the Investigative Judgement. He say that EG White is only good for devotional, but not authority on doctrine.
He denies the 1844.
And that we cannot overcome sin this side of heaven.
And many more....
But his credentials were removed as a minister.

The Son of God was assaulted at every step by the powers of darkness. After his baptism he was driven of the Spirit into the wilderness, and suffered temptation for forty days. Letters have been coming in to me, affirming that Christ could not have had the same nature as man, for if he had, he would have fallen under similar temptations. If he did not have man's nature, he could not be our example. If he was not a partaker of our nature, he could not have been tempted as man has been. If it were not possible for him to yield to temptation, he could not be our helper. It was a solemn reality that Christ came to fight the battles as man, in man's behalf. His temptation and victory tell us that humanity must copy the Pattern; man must become a partaker of the divine nature. {RH, February 18, 1890 par. 6}
In Christ, divinity and humanity were combined. Divinity was not degraded to humanity; divinity held its place, but humanity by being united to divinity, withstood the fiercest test of temptation in the wilderness. The prince of this world came to Christ after his long fast, when he was an hungered, and suggested to him to command the stones to become bread. But the plan of God, devised for the salvation of man, provided that Christ should know hunger, and poverty, and every phase of man's experience. He withstood the temptation, through the power that man may command. He laid hold on the throne of God, and there is not a man or woman who may not have access to the same help through faith in God. Man may become a partaker of the divine nature; not a soul lives who may not summon the aid of Heaven in temptation and trial. Christ came to reveal the Source of his power, that man might never rely on his unaided human capabilities. {RH, February 18, 1890 par. 7}

Nice Ezra.
Tell me, what do you think about what Desmond Ford. He disagrees completely. God bless.
Ford is out of his mind.
Lol. I thought as much. But He sounds brilliant.
I don't agree with him too.

WW Prescott.. The Divine-Human Family.. a little booklet made up of 3 lectures he gave on this subject in 1895..

I am actually reading it right now!

"Professor Prescott draws on the rich mine of truth found in Pauls epistles clarifying FROM the Scriptures the subject of the two Adams and 'You in Christ, Christ in you.' "

That is from the inside cover.. I am sure you can find it online, probably..


This man was one who took the true meaning of the capstone of the reformation, the gift of righteousness by faith (as given to the remnant) to be  the end all be all for anyone who TRULY wants to FULLY submit to Christ, and he ran with it!!  These lectures were done in 1895... It is a very helpful booklet for anyone who thinks Ellen White shoulda been heeded instead of sent to another country in order to silence her strong voice in FAVOR of Jones and Waggoners MOST PRECIOUS MESSAGE..( things changed in 1888..)

I am a little skittish to read anything that Prescott wrote.  Why?  Because he led A.G. Daniels in to error in the early 1900's.  They brought in the New View of the Daily, and Mrs. White said their minds were being exercised by angels expelled from Heaven on this subject.  Jones and Waggoner were also off in this area and it is no surprise that they all went out.  So... I am not sure what I could trust that he wrote.

Ellen White, when she talks of thier apostasy, speaks of it differently than any other apostasy.. Almost as if they were not entirely to blame FOR thier apostasy.. As if the message they tried to put out there for us, which she FULLY endorsed, that its denial helped to lead them in to apostasy.


Its all out there for anyone to check out.. Ellen White was sent away, in the spiritual dark, BY the leaders, because they were tired of hearing about this message. They sent her to Austrailia.


The leaders would not accept that there was further Light on the subject of righteousness by faith.. They INSISTED that this message was simply the reformation message of Luther and that, YES, OF COURSE they ALREADY believed that. They wanted her to leave them alone about it..


Prescott has a lot of Light on the subject.. But, it HAS been sullied, this whole issue.. One MUST be lead by the Holy Spirit to understand the TRUE capstone OF righteousness by faith, as presented BY Jones and Waggoner, WELL before they did apostasize..


 God TOLD Ellen HE would be raising up these young men.. And she said they were the guys He told her about..


ALSO, and this IS quite relevant, they both worked on the fight against the Sunday legislation that was in the senate or congress at the SAME TIME as this message was trying to get out and accepted by the leadership.


The PEOPLE meanwhile, were eating it up! THEY could see the NEW Light in this message.. And Ellen traveled all over WITH these guys to PUSH this..


Satan has put up quite a smokescreen against this message, and it IS no wonder why..


But everyone should do thier own research on the matter and BE SURE to ask for and ACCEPT the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this MOST IMPORTANT issue..


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