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The New Covenant Has Not Been Made Yet, But, It Will Be Made With Israelites. What About Gentiles?

Jeremiah 31:31,"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah."

This is one scripture that is surely worth noting, because this scripture, at least the phrase "new covenant" is the center of debate, and is missed by many Christians. Most Christians that I have spoken with believe that they are under the new covenant, and that this new covenant was made with them... without the Torah. They insist on believing that this new covenant was made with them, and that they do not have to follow the Torah of HaShem our Father.

But, the truth is, this new covenant has not even been made yet. Furthermore, when it goes into effect, the parties are HaShem & the Hebrew people. Notice the part of the verse above,"I will make a new covenant with Israel & Judah." The Hebrew people are the ones that HaShem will make the covenant with. The Hebrews have not, to this day, agreed to keeping this new covenant.

What is proof that the Hebrews must agree to keeping the covenant? Well lets look at Exodus 24:7,"Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” So, when the Israelites agree to the new covenant as they did with the Sinai covenant, THEN the new covenant would be in effect. The following are the decrees of the new covenant:

1) I will put my Torah within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people(verse 33). This actually means that your life will be directed, controlled, and governed by the Torah. The "heart" in the Hebraic understanding is the seat of one's moral and ethical decisions, the place where one decides. The phrase "I will be their God, and they my people" is a familiar phrase, which connects with God governing you by his Torah, and that is also in the book of revelation. Revelation 21:3,"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God." How do man become HaShem's people? It is by being under the new covenant WITH its three decrees, and that truly includes obedience to the Torah.

2) And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord(verse 34). To "know the Lord" makes use of the word "know" (yadah in Hebrew) in a technical sense relative to covenant making. To "know the Lord" does not mean to "know about the Lord," but to "know" Him in a covenant sense(i.e., to be loyal to Him in regard to the covenant decrees). In other words, no one will be teaching his fellow man about HaShem and His word. ALL will know the father! Amen? In short, to "know the Lord" means to be obedient to Him by keeping the commandments of the covenant He has made.

3) For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more(verse 34). This will be done when Israel & Judah come together to agree to keep this new covenant under the Lordship of Yashah the Messiah, who is the high priest of the new covenant.

The above three decrees are included in this new covenant, and will only be made with Israel & Judah. But what about Gentiles, you may ask? Well, Gentiles who convert to the Jewish faith will be under the three decrees of the new covenant when Israel & Judah agrees with HaShem to keep it. HaShem will write the Torah on the Gentiles hearts and minds, they will know the Lord in the covenant sense, and He will forgive them of their sins.

I want those who believe that Gentiles are to keep a different Torah than what HaShem gave to Hebrews, to consider the following verse:

Exodus 12:49,"There shall be one Torah for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you."There is one Torah for the Hebrew & Gentile. Two Torahs do not exist. Christians love to hold to the belief that they do not have to keep the Torah, but that means they are not being faithful to the word of HaShem, which says all must be obedient to Him.

Christians cannot expect to come into the covenant of HaShem, and change the Torah and times. The only spirit that does this is the spirit of the anti-Christ. Daniel 7:25,"He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the Torah." When the covenant will be made, the three decrees will be here to stay, and no one will change them.. not even Christians.

Where does a Christian fit into this covenant, you may ask again? Let us look at what Paul said in Romans 11:19-20,"Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in', That is true."Christians, here the words of HaShem. If Yashah upheld Torah, then why not you? Do you think Paul agrees with you in not keeping Torah, thus disobeying Yashah?

If you do not want to keep his Torah, then you are none of His. Christians believe that Paul himself taught against the Torah. Guess what? That would make him an anti-Messiah, and a hypocrite, for Paul himself said that he was a Pharisee!(Acts 23:3-6). We know its not true that Paul did not keep Torah, because the Apostles of the Lord would not have accepted him into the Apostolic community. Furthermore, Paul would not have proved his Torah keeping in Acts 21. He would have confessed to the rumors that he was indeed lawless.

Paul says something in Hebrews 10:26-28,"For if we go on breaking the Torah deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Torah of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses." This scripture truly speaks for itself.

But, is sin missing the mark, according to Christians, or breaking the Torah? 1 John 3:4,"Everyone who makes a practice of breaking the Torah also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness." If you love HaShem, then you would keep the 10 commandments, including the Sabbath, Kosher laws, clothing laws, facial, feast days, wear the tzitzit, menstural, sexual, etc etc. The only person that can make these things a burden is yourself. Do not make the Torah a burden, but live it out with joy, as HaShem intends for you to do. He wants you to enjoy loving, and obeying him.

Paul says another thing, Eph 2:12,"remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." This was the state of Gentiles before they came to Jesus. They were aliens from Israel, and strangers to the covenant. Those who believe that you do not have to keep the Torah are still strangers to to the covenant, obviously, lost. Do not be deceived by the enemy who does not want you to obey the Father.

In closing, Yashah said something very great & and very scary. Matthew 7:21-23,"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of Torahlessness." Basically, those who keep not the Torah, and practice breaking the Torah, will be told to depart from He who kept Torah, Jesus. Them that does not keep Torah will not inherit eternal life, or the kingdomf Of God.

Now, let me make this clear, no one is saved by keeping Torah, but, upon trusting in Yashah for our salvation, we are to be obedient to him.

Those who claim that the law is abolished, done away, and do not need to be practiced under the "new covenant", needs to take a look back at Jeremiah 31:31-34 & Hebrews 8:8-12, and the decrees, and repent of their Torah breaking, or else they will be told to depart from the Lord. Repent(turn to Yashah via his Torah), place your faith in Yashah for salvation, and live a holy life by keeping the Torah. LIVE!!!!!!


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I kinda wondered about James Trimm myself. Mathi told me to read Hebrews 9, and so I will read that in relation to the new covenant. I may be a Nazarene, but I am always open for reasonable debate. But, whats very true is that the Torah is a decree in the new covenant for which we all must obey. We cant do any temple duties, but we must keep all others. Moral, ceremonial, rituals, are separations of man. Whats obvious is that the temple is not here. All other laws that does not require the temple, we are to keep.
James, can you please give me an example of a ceremonial law we are to keep and why? I would also like to ask you, why do you think there is no more temple?

Again, there's no such thing as "ceremonial, ritual, moral." Man did that to separate which laws he "wants" to keep and is relevant to "him." Let me give you an example with what we should keep.

1) Not to spoil the appearance of your beard.
2) The wearing of the tzitzit
3) Respecting your elders

etc, etc. Why are we to keep them? Because HaShem commanded them. I can give you more reasons why, but the main thing is HaShem commanded them. We are to keep even the least of the commandments Yeshua said in Matt 5:17-19. These are some of the instructions within the Torah that we are to keep. Why do I think there's no temple? Do you see any temples built in Israel now?
I agree, Torah is a decree we must follow in the New Covenant. The issue then becomes which Torah? And which of those commands in Torah were tied to the Temple?

I believe, after having studied it and prayed about it, that they are not only the sacrifices, but the ritual cleanliness laws, the Festivals and circumcision. I have an essay on my blog on here which you are free to read and comment on it if you want. If you think I'm wrong, point out relevant Scripture.


The circumcision is the everlasting covenant HaShem made with Abraham that is commanded to be practiced throughout generations. If Christians claim to be of the true seed of Abraham, then they would be circumcised, and circumcise their sons on the 8th day.

Circumcision & Uncircumcision in 1 Cor 7:19 is referring to the Gentile & Judean party. Loo at Eph 2:11,"Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands." Do you see that?

1) you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision”
2) what is called the circumcision(Judeans)

Paul was saying here that it does not matter if you are Judean or Gentile.. WHAT MATTERS is keeping the commandments of HaShem. There was lots of tension and hostility between the Gentiles & Judeans, as you will see if you read down through verse 15.

The Torah commands each person under the covenant to be circumcised. The act has never ceased, for its an everlasting covenant that HaShem made with Abraham. The part,"you have become as though you had not been circumcised", has only to do with becoming a Gentiles, which in context, is a pagan.

Because the Mosaic law is a decree of the new covenant as you read in Hebrews 8:8-12.
James, what church do you belong to?
No, its not. Its an "olam" covenant. Its unfortunate our Bible translations won't translate it correctly.

Read my essay, James, before I go back to not speaking to you about this. :P

Im very familar with "olam." It has several meanings. My septuagint translates it well in some areas as "perpetual." I am not sure of how you use it. I hope you do not use it in reference to us not having the Torah, because that would be wrong.

As I stated before, I looked over your article, and I see that you have numbers of problems. You and I can discuss each one of those problems.. Deal?

Do you know the origins of baptism? It comes from the Torah. When a man has a discharge... what does he do? Immerse himself in water so that he can be ritually clean again. When a woman is on her monthly period... what does she do? She immerse herself in water to become ritually clean. So, if the ritual laws are done away, then that would include baptism. Circumcision is everlasting, for it was made with Abraham as in everlasting throughout the generations of his people.

What it comes down to is this? I would like for you to list the commandments that we under the new covenant are no longer commanded to keep, and we will examine those.
I wouldn't compare baptism to mikveh. I do think that's where the symbol comes from, but I also think God chose that symbol to symbolize washing from (moral) impurities in Jesus.

Just like He used the symbols of the Jewish seder to represent the New Covenant (the bread and wine). I just see that as God adapting symbols, not that baptism is the same ceremonial washing as mikveh. But I could be wrong.

Read my blog entry and comment then we can talk about the particulars.


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