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"The papacy was in it. That was what the Lord was trying to tell us and get us to understand." AT Jones

Here's a quote by JN Andrews:
"The cause of the fall of Babylon is thus stated: "she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.".... The wine of this, is that with which the church has intoxicated the nations of the earth. There is but one thing that this can refer to, viz., false doctrine. This harlot, in consequence of her unlawful union with the powers of earth, has corrupted the pure truths of the Bible, and with the wine of her false doctrine, has intoxicated the nations. A few instances of her corruption of the truths of the Bible must suffice: {1855 JNA, TAR 54.1}
1. The doctrine of the natural immortality of the soul. .............
2. The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, a. d. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous measures by which it was forced upon the church, which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush." {1855 JNA, TAR 54.3}
His concerns were:
1. It comes from the Papacy.
2. It destroys the personality of God and Jesus.
3. It was forced upon the church.
There is no argument about the personality of the Holy Spirit. But, unfortunately this has become the main argument from anti-trinitarians these days. I appreciate their contribution, but I'm sticking with the old arguments.
God allows errors to come in, not so we can exalt ourselves over our leadership, but for this reason:
1 Cor. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
This is part of the shaking, to humble us, and to make us all equal. To cripple us, like how Jacob was crippled, and was forced to go painfully limping to his brother Esua, bowing and sending gifts. That's how we will have to go to our brethren who are in Babylon. Were are our gifts? Has our bigotry shut them
"To show that they cannot have their creeds and the gifts too, that creeds shut out the gifts, we will suppose that God, through chosen instruments taken from each sect, begins to show up the errors in the creeds of these different denominations. If they received the testimony as from Heaven, it would spoil their creeds. But would they throw them away and come out on the platform of unity taught by Christ, Paul, and Peter? Never! They would a thousand times sooner reject the humble instruments of God's choice. It is evident that if the gifts were received, they would destroy human creeds; and that if creeds be received, they shut out the gifts." {1880 JW, LIFSK 345.1}
"Now what is faith according to that? "The faith of the creed." They simply draw up a statement of stuff that they call the doctrine of God and then you believe that and do your best and that passes for justification by faith. Whether the creed is drawn up in actual writing or whether it is somebody's idea that they want to pass off by a vote in a General Conference, it makes no difference in principle, the creed is there and subscription to it is just that kind of faith. And there are people here who remember a time--four years ago--and a place--Minneapolis--when three direct efforts were made to get just such a thing as that fastened upon the third angel's message, by a vote in a General Conference. What somebody believed--set that up as the landmarks and then vote to stand by the landmarks, whether you know what the landmarks are or not, and then go ahead and agree to keep the commandments of God and a lot of other things that you are going to do, and that was to be passed off as justification by faith. {February 14, 1893 ATJ, GCDB 265.3}
"......The papacy was in it. That was what the Lord was trying to tell us and get us to understand. The papacy was in it. It was like it has been in every other church that has come out from the papacy; they would run a little while by faith in God and then fix up some man's idea of doctrine and vote to stand by that and vote that that is the doctrine of this church and then that is "the faith of the creed," and then follow it up with their own doing. {February 14, 1893 ATJ, GCDB 265.4}
"Then, brethren, is it not time to cut loose, if it takes the very life out of us? It will take the very life out of us; it will crucify us with Jesus Christ. It will cause such a death to sin as we never dreamed of in our lives before. It will take all that papal mind out of us, all that iron spirit out of us, and it will put there the divine, tender, loving mind of Jesus Christ, that wants no creed, because it has Christ Himself." {February 14, 1893 ATJ, GCDB 265.5}
"I want you to see what the Roman Catholic idea of justification by faith is, because I have had to meet it among professed Seventh-day Adventists the past four years right straight through. These very things, these very expressions that are in this Catholic book, as to what justification by faith is and how to obtain it, are just such expressions as professed Seventh-day Adventists have made to me as to what justification by faith is. {February 14, 1893 ATJ, GCDB 261.10}
I want to know how you and I carry a message to this world, warning them against the worship of the beast, when we hold in our very profession the doctrines of the beast. Can it be done? [Congregation: "No."] {February 14, 1893 ATJ, GCDB 262.1}
They voted a creed and called that "Justification by faith", and he says "The papacy was in it. That was what the Lord was trying to tell us and get us to understand."
"warning them against the worship of the beast, when we hold in our very profession the doctrines of the beast"
Do we hold in our profession the very doctrines of the beast?
The Bible says:
"Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ", 1 Cor. 1:3, Eph. 1:3, 1 Peter 1:3.
Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1 Cor. 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
Who is God? The Father of Jesus Christ. But the Catechism says:
".. there is only one God, the almighty Father, his only Son and the Holy Spirit: the Most Holy Trinity.",Catechism, p. 42.
The Catholic definition of "The one God" is the Trinity, not the Father. The Trinity is called "he" and "it", instead of "they"
"I have not even begun to think of unity when the Trinity bathes me in its splendor. I have not even begun to think of the Trinity when unity grasps me..." p. 46
"O blessed light, O Trinity and first Unity!" p. 46
"O my God, Trinity whom I adore..." p. 47
2. The Trinity
There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal
Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever
present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known
through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and
service by the whole creation. (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14;
Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Tim. 1:17; Rev. 14:7.)
"He" and "His" refers to "The Trinity", who is called "The One God" in this creed. Same language as the Catechism.
Pray for our leaders, who have been led into this error. This has happened to fulfill God's purpose. Let us not accuse them anymore and let us repent of exalting ourselves over them. We are all natural born Pharisees and prone to error.
"There is to be in the churches a wonderful manifestation of the power of God, but it will not move upon those who have not humbled themselves before the Lord, and opened the door of the heart by confession and repentance. In the manifestation of that power which lightens the earth with the glory of God, they will see only something which in their blindness they think dangerous, something which will arouse their fears, and they will brace themselves to resist it. Because the Lord does not work according to their ideas and expectations, they will oppose the work. "Why," they say, "should not we know the Spirit of God, when we have been in the work so many years?"--Because they did not respond to the warnings, the entreaties of the messages of God, but persistently said, "I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing." Talent, long experience, will not make men channels of light, unless they place themselves under the bright beams of the Sun of Righteousness, and are called, and chosen, and prepared by the endowment of the Holy Spirit. When men who handle sacred things will humble themselves under the mighty hand of God, the Lord will lift them up. He will make them men of discernment--men rich in the grace of his Spirit. Their strong, selfish traits of character, their stubbornness, will be seen in the light shining from the Light of the world. "I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." If you seek the Lord with all your heart, he will be found of you. {RH, December 23, 1890 par. 18}

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Indeed Rush. The papacy was in it. The death of reformation on Oct 31, 2017 orchestrated by the papacy and applauded by nominal/apostate protestants has passed with hardly any notice by Adventists. I daresay it was the greatest prophetic event of our time. The time of trouble is about to break upon us. May God keep us faithful. The trinity falsehood is central in the protestant declaration signed with the papacy on Oct 31. Can't post the links now but see the 'Explanation'. God bless you for sharing.


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