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I was doing a study to write a outline of the foundational pillars of Adventism. Everyone seems to have a personal view of what they entail but limited support for it. What SOP or writings in church periodicals has everyone on this important issue as I have the following pillars.....

The investigative judgment
The sanctuary service
The perpetuity of the Law of God
The faith of Jesus
The Three Angels' Messages
The seventh-day Sabbath
The state of the dead
The special gift of prophecy (or the Testimony of Jesus).

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Newer the less your post was showing the link to this site and that Quote was put forward as proof that EGW was not for Trinity and that to me is a falsehood. When you use dishonest sites like that your credibility takes a nosedive. Also if you type "Godhead" into the site of EGW writings you will find that she has mentioned that term over 400 times. 

Peace


Brother M.E, how are you? I pray you and your family are well. 

I believe JohnB and Elijah are on point... Your not showing no evidence, your saying things with no proof. What pillars are you talking about that says the GODHEAD is not Three Persons?

 With all due respect, Until you show that, then unfortunately your just making things up.  

That's why I asked you early in this post, what is your definition "trinity "/ "trinitarian "?


Because your not the first person to bring this up, I believe brother Dan & Rush are some people. It's always presented like you did... That it goes against the "pillars " of 7th Day Adventist, and that we can find nowhere the SOP in the writings of EGW teaches that the GODHEAD is ONE, and at the same time Three persons. 

 

Even though trinity is not used in the Bible or SOP, and we shouldn't use the word, however the definition of trinity on the surface is the same as GODHEAD. What is that basic definition? That there are Three persons that is the GODHEAD.

SOP/EGW wrote in regards to this subject, and it seems clear that what she wrote goes against what you believe. 

EGW : "The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, should give Himself an offering for sin."CH p.222

SOP says the GODHEAD gave "Themselves"...

The Holy Spirit is One of Three... Let's check it out,

EGW : "Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world’s Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given His Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress His own character upon His church." DA p. 671

EGW: "The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.—Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897). Ev p.617

SOP says the Holy Spirit is the Thrid Person of the GODHEAD, of course that means The  Father and The Son are the other two. 

EGW: "The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.—Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905). – Ev p.615

It it seems you tried to change the clear understanding with this statement, which I still don't understand, you something about the useage of the word "of".. But it's clear what EGW wrote, she's not speaking symbolically, it's clear, "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit..."

 Brother Dan said this,

Dan wrote: "The chief suggestion of the trinity [GODHEAD] theory is that God is three persons (or its alternate - that God is one person in three). We do note that at its core is the rejection of Christ as the begotten, divine Son of God. "

Strong words indeed... I'm not concerned with the word trinity, nor is the Bible or the writings of EGW, but The GODHEAD according to the SOP "..are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -..".... The Holy Spirit, the SOP calls Him the Thrid person of the GODHEAD, again which implies there are two other persons of the GODHEAD, that is The Father & the Son.

  

 Blessings! 

 

I'm not here to prove anything but only to point people to the Spirit of Prophecy in correlation with what our pioneers wrote. Their writings are widely available now on the internet. If I try to prove anything, you and others will not believe me. The burden of proof lies on those who say that the one God is three persons. 

Seventh-day Adventists have a pillar called the "personality of God," according to Sister White, and our pioneers described in their writings what that pillar means. I want people to look it up and be convinced for themselves. If I tell them they will instead try to win the argument and thus fail at grasping the truth. 

We have proven to you that Ellen White believe that there are three persons in the Godhead. What do you want to bring in other pioneers? 

M. E. You came here to show us that there is no Trinity and we have shown you irrefutable evidence from the Bible as well as writings from EGW that there are 3 persons in the Godhead Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 

What you seem to fail to understand that truth moves forward and therefore is called present truth. If we were to remain with the teachings of James White we would never move forward. We would stay on the same place all the Time just like the people following Martin Luther they now have even lost why they ever protested against the RCC and now wants to get back in the fold of the RCC. 

 

Peace 

  

  

M.E wrote: "I'm not here to prove anything but only to point people to the Spirit of Prophecy in correlation with what our pioneers wrote. Their writings are widely available now on the internet. If I try to prove anything, you and others will not believe me. The burden of proof lies on those who say that the one God is three persons."

 With all due respect, it obvious your trying to show us something, and you haven't proved anything.. again, not being disrespectful, it's facts. 

 I say trying "to point" us somewhere is a form of giving proof, Your trying to point us to the SOP in correlation with what our pioneers wrote... should I assume we all agree the SOP ( giving by GOD) in the writings of EGW trumps what the other pioneers wrote? 

 

M.E, your saying I'm not honest in my reasoning? Why wouldn't I believe you, if what you wrote can be proven to be correct? 

 You said, "if I try to prove" and "I'm not here to prove anything..", and the Bible tells us to prove all things (1 Thess. 5:21).

 You say the burden of proof is on us that GOD is ONE, and at the same time Three... Well, if you believe in the SOP in the writings of EGW, that her writings are inspired by the Holy Spirit Himself, then the proof has been given by multiple people here. 

 It's either you agree with what she wrote in regards to this subject, or you reject what she wrote ... Which is it? 

 Just don't try to take her writings and try to make it say something it's clearly not saying.. Similar to what you try to do already. 

M.E wrote: "Seventh-day Adventists have a pillar called the "personality of God," according to Sister White, and our pioneers described in their writings what that pillar means. I want people to look it up and be convinced for themselves. If I tell them they will instead try to win the argument and thus fail at grasping the truth."

I have nothing but Love for you,  this is not an argument M.E., this is us reasoning together, the Bible recommends us to do this, but as you know, if there is a difference in opinions, then us reasoning together in Spirit and Truth should bring forth the correct understanding. So I wouldn't describe it as winning an argument, but more of being pulled towards the Truth. 

 

  EGW: "The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.—Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905). – Ev p.615

 You tried to explain something about the usage of the word "of", and how it changed the clear teaching of what she wrote. My apologies, but I don't know what your talking about. 

M.E wrote: "The burden of proof lies on those who say that the one God is three persons."

Compared to, 

EGW wrote: "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"

EGW wrote: "The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.—Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897). Ev p.617

EGW wrote: "Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power..." DA p.671

EGW wrote: "The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, should give Himself an offering for sin."CH p.222

 Is this proof not good enough for you M.E? Or is it you don't accept what the Holy Spirit inspired EGW to write in regards to this subject? 

 Don't put me in a box M.E, if you present things that holds weight and is proven then I'll be in agreement with you, but in this subject, as you said, you haven't proved anything, nor have you pointed us anywhere.

 If there were other pioneers that believe something different than what EGW wrote, then that's on them.. I'm going with EGW, because she was inspired by GOD to write. 

Blessings!

The topic of this thread is a specific request from the OP for sources from the Spirit of Prophecy or Pioneers writings in regard to the "Pillars of Adventism".

You have answered stating that there is a "Personality of God" doctrine but refuse to give any sources. I have searched the entirety of EGW and the Pioneers and cannot find any list or otherwise.

So, what we have is a request for help which you refuse to give whilst insisting that there is this "missing pillar".

I would have thought that the "burden of proof" lies with you. You claim this "pillar" to be there, we say it doesn't exist and has never existed and on top of that we can find no record of it. Now, as it is impossible to prove a negative, surely the onus is on you, the one making the claim. What is the point of making the claim if you are not prepared to provide any evidence for this "pillar" ever existing? The only backing for this claim is that you say so whilst refusing to provide any evidence.

As for the SDA teaching in regard to the Godhead, well there are statements from: Ellen White, Uriah Smith, R. Hare, O.A. Johnson, A.T. Jones, D. H. Kress, Arthur L. Manous, W. W. Prescott, S. N. Haskell, M. C. Wilcox. G. B. Thompson, G. B. Starr, A. G. Daniells, R. A. Underwood and R. D. Quinn who all attest to three Persons in the Godhead.

The term "trinity" was used in relation to the Godhead in Review and Herald, Signs of the Times, Union Conference Record, The Bible Instructor, The Youth Instructor, The Oriental Watchman, The Caribbean Instructor and in many other denominational publications.

All of this was done during the lifetime of Ellen White and the shift towards trinitarian thinking was initiated and supported by her.

I am suspicious that the reason you don't know this is because you have not looked for yourself but have read something on the internet and believed it to be true without checking and are just parroting what you have read. Otherwise, I can't understand why, having taken the time to post in the first place, you cannot simply answer the question and post a proper source for your claim.

I echo my brother Reasoning here. We are asking for information. We have given the sources for our argument but you consistently refuse to give any proper sources other than "somebody wrote it sometime". If you have something to offer, please share it. Do you really think that we will change our faith on nothing more than your say-so?

Perhaps it is difficult because there are so many different compilations to sort through.

8T 255 to 335 is the place that Sister White directed people to in addition to our pioneers. There are also Review and Herald articles from 1903 to 1906. Also this article: { SpTB02 51.1 } and this reference point:  { MR760 9.5 } .  That paragraph has both "personality of God" and "pillars." 

Sister White also directs to to the writings of our pioneers. Since it is a pillar, they would have known and taught what it was. Therefore, we should study everything they published on the "personality of God." How did James White and D.M. Canright define this doctrine in their articles titled with that name? Specifically, search for "personality of God" and "Trinity" together in their writings. 

If you can't see it after all that, I don't know what else I can do to help you online, because this is something that should really be studied out in person with much prayer. It is up to you to pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you so that you don't let your preconceived ideas shape your views. 

Just remember one thing: Do not confound "God" with "Christ" and the "Holy Spirit." The Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy continually distinguish the three, far more than Christ is ever called "God." Christ is "God" in a certain sense, but not in personality. "God" is a distinct personality, not a trio. The three persons are OF the Godhead (Godhood/Divinity). The three great powers are all manifestations of the Godhead because God is the source according to 1 Cor. 8:6 and everything else is OF Him; thus the Son and the Spirit are OF God and His Godhead; they come from Him. God is continually in Scripture called a "Him," not a "Them." The only reason we do not see it is because it has been drilled into us that God is three persons, not one person or personality. "The personality of God" is "everything to us as a people" (look up that latter phrase in SOP). God is a personal being in heaven. Christ is His Son. And the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God (who is the source, or "OF whom are all things) and the Spirit of Christ (who is the channel, or "THROUGH whom are all things").

I pray you will all see this simplicity as it is in the Scriptures, but I hesitate to write these things, because we are not together praying together; the tendency is to try to win an argument, something we are all tempted with. I pray my labors will not be in vain, at least planting a seed if you still don't believe what I'm saying. The reason I'm giving references and not actual quotes is so that you can go to your Bibles and SOP material in prayer, seeing it for yourselves. I want to be out of the picture. Let the precious pearls of God's Word teach you the truth. 

You said: 

"Just remember one thing: Do not confound "God" with "Christ" and the "Holy Spirit." The Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy continually distinguish the three

"The three persons are OF the Godhead (Godhood/Divinity). "

"the only reason we do not see it is because it has been drilled into us that God is three persons, not one person or personality" 

You said that there are three persons of the godhead but then you said there are not three but one ? 

No, I said there are three. 

The last statement you quoted of me is referring to who God is, which is plain from John 17:3 and 1 Cor. 8:6. The three persons do not identify who God is but they identify the three powers that are of His Godhead/divinity, including Himself. 

Peace 

M.E wrote: "The three persons do not identify who God is but they identify the three powers that are of His Godhead/divinity, including Himself. "

 

 The Three "powers" of the GODHEAD you mention, do you believe these powers are The Father, Son and Holy Spirit? 

EGW wrote: "The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.—Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p.

When SOP says the Holy Spirit is the Thrid person of the GODHEAD, do you disagree with that statement? 

Blessings! 

If we can show you from SOP that each Person of the Godhead has their own personality, would you then believe in the Trinity?

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