When one tries to increase his knowledge by doing mental gymnastics over books without waiting upon God and looking to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, his soul is plainly in full swing. This will deplete his spiritual life. Because the fall of man was occasioned by seeking knowledge, God uses the foolishness of the cross to "destroy the wisdom of the wise.”
― Watchman Nee
How many SDA's have fallen into the trap of Knowledge vs True Spiritual growth and development. Instead of seeking a relationship with Christ they seek a relationship with the rules. This is an unfulfilled Christian experience which leads to anger and frustration. It also paves the way for a judgemental nature. It is imperative for us all to wait patiently for the Guidance of the Holy Spirit both in action and wisdom. It is this path that leads to true fulfillment. Many in this world are seeking a Spiritual Connection but have are confused about method. As Christians we can follow the example of Pastor Nee, and seek the true knowledge of the cross.
Correct Leon, excellent understanding. The written Word and the holy spirit confirm each other, not contradictory. Regarding Bart's comments above and other matters:
operate; ", operated,operating.
you are clearly wrong here you do not "Operate" God in any way or form. The closest you can get God to ascend to your wishes is prayer, and then only if they are in keeping with God's Own will. I fully agree with Bart your approach to God is the same as the Pentecostals.
Did you read the definition of "operate?"
You obviously know nothing about the manifestations of holy spirit nor the word on this subject. On the Day of Pentecost, Acts 2:4 " 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
They began to speak, they did the speaking, but the utterance (the words spoken) is from the holy spirit as inspired. Associated with speaking in tongues is the Greek word laleo, which means to speak without reference to the words spoken. That is how speaking in tongues, speaking in tongues with interpretation and prophesy is done. God gives the words but the believer moves his lips, tongue, breathes etc. as the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. The believer has complete control over everything except what words are spoken, otherwise it would not be God's inspired Word, as the holy spirit by passes the part of the brain that thinks of words before spoken, that you speak in tongues is your business, but what is spoken is God's business, except the believers are to make sure what is spoken after the fact flows with scripture, the prophets are supposed to judge what is spoken goes along with scripture.
The Word of God proves that you are mistaken, you have wrong instruction (or no instruction?) on this subject, you do not know what you are talking about. Tell us oh wise one, have you ever manifested any of the 9 listed manifestations of holy spirit, and if so, tell us about it? Like a lot of the gainsayers here, you have no accurate knowledge or experience in the holy spirit field, nor on the field of spiritual battle, nor have you cast out demons or ministered healing for then you would know something.
You need a good dose of meekness and willingness to learn, and to get off your high horse of ignorance and disinformation.
James said: You need a good dose of meekness
Yes James seems to be something of rare commodity around here. As we see you bragging about your abilities, manifesting what you think is the spirit.
James said: The Word of God proves that you are mistaken, you have wrong instruction (or no instruction?) on this subject, you do not know what you are talking about. Tell us oh wise one, have you ever manifested any of the 9 listed manifestations of holy spirit, and if so, tell us about it?
Sorry James I am not a Braggart like you why should I tell you about my experiences with The Holy Spirit. What you fail to understand is that anyone can prove just about anything from the Bible. As we know you are obsessed with the “mysterion” that you claim to be the only one who know anything about “operating” the spirit. And this idiotic idea that you can have a 9 gifts from God is a very rare thing I have never heard about anyone having all nine. Compare with Jesus Parable about the talents. Matt Ch. 25
James Of cause the other thing with the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit are that they are Gifts or talents that God gives to us as He think is fitting and right. As we know Gods gifts are wonderful as long as they are from God because there is also false manifestations of gifts and talents, as you so ably have demonstrated here.
But you seem to speak very little or as far as I have noticed not at all about the Fruits of the Spirit. Those fruits can not be falsified because Paul lists the Fruits of God separate to the fruits of satan as we have seen you are good at manifesting those fruits of satan.
I wonder if James and Leon operate their spouses. I think if they said they did their wives would be angry, and correctly so. If it is offensive to operate a person then how much more so with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not equipment. The Bible is clear that the Holy Spirit can be grieved and is a Person, part of the God head.
Leon and James need to take care of not sounding like a medium who is channeling a spirit or learning how to manage a spirit.
We are the servants and subjects of God, we don't order God about like you hear many Pentecostal Preachers do.
Bart that is quite right, but i guess that sort of thinking is endemic with pentecostals. Our relationship with God is based on respect, as God shows respect to our free will. The other way around is not God but Satan.
James May I ask what you are trying to achieve with that load of rubbish. It seems to be filled with the spiritual fruits of Satan.
How would one know if they have grieved the Holy Spirit if they lack a relationship with the Spirit. You make assumptions from your dislike and to prove a point. The Holy Spirit is an entity which serves to guide one life, not a Spiritual force that yields to ones bidding. It is also not a collection of books. It is easy to see the flaw in ones neighbor, but it is the ones at home that are most deadly.
I am not certain you have followed the statements in this thread. I used the example of the grieving the Holy Spirit to show that the Holy Spirit has personal feelings and is not as you say a "spiritual force". There are other scriptures that show the Holy Spirit to be a person and not a force but I am not able to look that up now but if you want I can later. James French was talking about "operating the Holy Spirit" as you would a car, so maybe you should speak to him about the Holy Spirit being just a force.
It is clear from your statements you have something against EGW and her writings, thus your statements about a "collection of books". So why do you mention this obscure Watchmen Nee, and why should we consider his writings or beliefs? What is it that SDA have to learn from you Leon?