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Hi brethren,

I humbly request that you help me understand the book hebrews chapter 4. The rest is it the sabbath or the promised land that is to say where Jesus went to prepare for us.

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Hello to all.

God wants us to live in peace and rest. but since sin entered this world there are no perfect place to rest and re-joy in the lord. This text is speaking of different things. Like a parable it shows the weekly Sabbath is a sing for the true never ending Rest in Haven. How long and good we rest in this world it do just help for hours or a day.  It turns back in a cycles of a week And then it makes us old and sick during the years. But god selves is the guaranty to tell us what big men in the Bible started he will bring into perfectness of a rest never know in quality and quantity. The Sabbath scows us a the way home to the promised land a place where daily joy is like keeping Sabbath in its best form. The peoples of god now suffering and working like slaves will then be rehabilitated to live like a peacefully king. The reward of believing God is to haw this big rest where there is no more desire or something missing.  This written promise can not be bought whit money or friendship. It is only for thous trusting and obeying good in good and bad days! 

Amen

Hebrews 4

King James Version (KJV)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

Actually it is neither.  Isaiah 28 gives us a deep insight into this.  Here God has been talking about his law and the Israelite's approach to it.  Then he says to them

11 Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues
    God will speak to this people,
12 to whom he said,
    “This is the resting place, let the weary rest”;
and, “This is the place of repose”—
    but they would not listen.
13 So then, the word of the Lord to them will become:
    Do and do, do and do,
    rule on rule, rule on rule;
    a little here, a little there—
so that they will go and fall backward,
    be injured and snared and captured.

They were already living in the Promised Land, but simply living there was not enough.  They had to be living in God's way of doing things.  Since the law as given to Moses was carnal (using physical things of the flesh to illustrate the spiritual realities -- Colossians 2:17, Hebrews 10:1), not spiritual as Paul says God's law is (Romans 7:14).  As a result, even if Israel had perfectly kept God's law as given to Moses, they still would not have entered the full rest of God.  

But part of the nature of the law is that if you make an honest attempt to keep it as revealed, the greater realities begin to make themselves known.  Israel never made an honest attempt to keep God's law as revealed.  Thus they could never be described as being after God's heart as David was.  Of course, David was not the only Israelite that could ever be described in this way, but he was one of the few.  

What was wrong with Israel's approach to the law?  As it turns out, God had already identified the problem in the verses just preceding the ones I quoted.  They used a child's approach to the Law and the rest of God's word.  But it is not just a child's approach.  Children must be given things in little bits, but when adults start studying in this way, it is not because they need to learn little by little; it is because they are seeking only those pieces of God's word that support what they want to believe.  You see that on this forum all the time.  It is called cherry-picking.  

A verse that proves my premise wrong is ignored while I go looking for verses that appear to support what I believe.  If someone comes along and refuses to let me ignore the verse that proves me wrong I deny that it even applies, or I have some ready explanation as to why it does not really mean what it very clearly says, and I once again trot out the verses that seem to say what I already believe.

Verses 9 and 10 are always quoted by Christians saying that it is the proper way to study scripture and that it is a great blessing.  Unfortunately they are taking that statement out of context.  Verse 8 tells us that this is the way little children learn and verse 13 makes it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is a curse because it leads us backwards in our spiritual development and it leads us into traps and captivity.

The New Covenant says that God will write his law on our hearts.  When he does this it means we have his heart in us; our heart of stone has been removed, at least in part, and his heart of flesh has been placed in us (Ezekiel 11:19 and 36:26)  Once a statute is engraved on the stone  of your heart by the finger of God that statute is a part of your character and obedience comes naturally.  In fact, Paul says the new man of the spirit cannot disobey.  The obedience then comes naturally, not as an expression of my fleshly efforts at obedience.  It comes from the inside and is not forced on me from the outside.  In that regard I am in full agreement with God.

The law is not written on our hearts all at once.  God works on us a few things at a time, and writes his law on our hearts little by little.  But as he does this we enter his rest, which is his lifestyle as defined by his law.  It is not a place or a time.  It is a way of life, and the place and the time are just types and shadows of the greater reality to come.  But to achieve that greater reality we must approach God's word as a whole interwoven piece of cloth, and stop looking for little threads here and there and call them our covering, the righteousness with which we are clothed.

Thanks for that study the issue has that the rest is of a weekly sabbath then when a certain day is mentioned then it means there is another day of rest. Am grateful for now i understand it fully. Thanks and may God bless you all. 

The spiritual rest in new unknown dimensions. Last Sabbath there was a warning in traffic radio!! It took me away from the things i was trying to remember for the new lesson. How different will it be in Gods kingdom. No crying child no ambulance takes the attentions away. There is a still better of quality and quantity waiting for us up there!! "Her we sing when peace like a river...  But the pastor don't let us go he is old and really do not know for sure if he can talk to this church another time. But wen we arrived home there will be a rest named like (newer more time lack) "Eternity" A unknown part of peace and rest.What ever you always felled missing on your Sabbath programs it is rite there and will nevermore pas away. Let us start dreaming of how fantastic it will be to be in a newer ending Holiday whit even more then "5 stars" service! God told he is making renovations up there and for sure he comes back to let us be sup-riced by his grace!!  

My English is not to good but otherwise i would give you the last smiley . He will even give us the rest or rest from rest... Maybe you can complete it.    This one i learned from my cat.. because of time change she was not in the rite watch or clock so she started up 4:00 Am now i need attentions food and what ever cat wants.. lastly the dog pushed her up to the sleeping area on the cupboard!      Rest forever no hungry cats..!

Amen, in deed life in this world has been just too rough but i thank for daily strength through Jesus.

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