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It is time for the Law of Moses to be restored as Malachi prophesies (4:4). Sin abounds across the earth. Therefore, the Law must abound so that grace much more abounds (Rom. 5:20). The narrower view of the Law we have, the less grace we can receive. But when God's appointed times and His tithes and offerings are restored among us, grace will be poured out and the whole earth will be lightened with His glory! Christ has been left out of the Law, but as the Fourth Commandment is proclaimed more fully, Christ will be restored in the Law through the other appointed times and what they stand for in the plan of redemption. So please stand by God's Word and not the Sabbath School guide, which yesterday said that the annual Sabbaths were nailed to the Cross. But one thing was nailed to the cross: Our Sin-Bearing Saviour who defeated death!

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what are the annual Sabbaths.  Where are they found in the bible and how can you tell that they were not nailed to the cross?

Leviticus 23 and Numbers 28 and 29 list them all. 

We need to realize that wherever we see animal sacrifices, it is really Jesus. So do we abolish Jesus at the Cross? No! None of God's Law was nailed to the Cross. Our sins were nailed to the Cross, which Christ bore and died to. And that is the precious Glad Tidings! For more information, read and listen to "Straight Testimony to the Laodiceans" when it comes out.

Appointed times, tithes, sin and trespass offerings along with the others--these are still a requirement of the Law. The earthly sanctuary system passed away when Christ became the Sacrifice and began the heavenly sanctuary system, but the cycles of time continue, and so does the need to make offerings to God via monetary donations.

This is all part of the Elijah Message (Mal. 4:4). Every divine institution will be restored.

The sabbath days were done away with because they all pointed to something greater. The bible is clear about this. Seventh day Adventists DON'T celebrate these feast days. We have camp meetings etc. but the feast days we don't celebrate. Those who celebrate these feast days are not SDA, they belong to some other denomination...

So what shall i do?

Get a goat from my "flock", sacrifice it and make a meat- and drink-offering?

Celebrating and remembering the "Exodus" or the wandering in the desert, even if i - as descendant of some germanic tribe - have no connection at all to the history of the Israelites?

Jesus installed a new covenant and a new feast-day to celebrate and to remember. The Israelites pointed forward, we point back (four times a year). 

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

The New Covenant

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrew 8, 6-13

What is the "new feast-day", Sunday?

I was thinking about Eucharist = communion.

It's not called a feast day

Daniel is clear that "sacrifice and oblation" of the earthly sanctuary ceases at the Cross, but tithes and offerings remain, they are just not in the form of sacrificing agricultural goods at the earthly sanctuary. Obviously this cannot be done anymore because Christ ended this system. But are we now to rob God of tithes and offerings? Do we have no more obligation to sacrifice for the cause of God? And then there are the appointed times--daily, weekly, monthly, and annual. Does God no longer expect us to sacrifice our time to worship Him at these times? Are we no longer expected to have weekly and annual holy convocations (the primary purpose of the festivals)? Are we no longer to commemorate the plan of redemption in its stages throughout the year? Are we to have merely a head knowledge, a doctrinal understanding of the heavenly sanctuary, or does God actually want us to experience it at His appointed times so that it is always kept before us? 

Please remember folks, the festivals were never meant to merely commemorate past events relating to the Exodus. First of all, they were holy convocations (see the beginning of Lev. 23). And then, according to the types, they were meant to especially commemorate the Messiah and His plan of redemption. We need to come out of the old covenant mindset of thinking that the festivals were for offering beasts, which could never make atonement for sin. With new covenant eyes we will see that Christ is all in it, and if we divorce the weekly Sabbath from the other appointed times which stand for His plan of redemption, we are then divorcing Him from the Law and we are legalists. I know this is new thinking for many of us, but God is shining more light in the Elijah message with the statutes and judgments being proclaimed (Mal. 4:4). Let us walk in the light while we have the light.  

Many SDA people say Jesus abolished his own torah on the Cross? What He did away with was sacrifices and offerings for sinning, because He became that for us....that does not abolish His torah, it restores torah and makes a spiritual change for torah.... Jesus showed us an example of this spiritual change of torah with the Passover offering feast... this ordinance night came and Jesus introduced another feast in its place, which by he way points forwards to the Wedding feast in heaven....We celebrate the Lord's feast because it is a memorial of HIs death for us and a future symbol that the groom is coming for His bride to the wedding feast....

If feasts were done way with, so are holy convocations and gathering of His people at appointed times....but we are hypocritical to make holy convocations for other feasts, introducing really the doctrines of men...but Mr White Actually called the Big Camp meeting a simile of the Feast of Tabernacles....

If our pioneers really thought the feast were done away with, why did our pioneers keep Atonement on the exact Hebrew day allocated for it ? Strange ? Why keep one feast day on the exact Hebrew reckoning, but later fail to continue to keep the Lord's love feasts as EGW calls them....

Also if we are spiritual Jews and spiritual Israel, we certainly don't act like it....we assume God overlooks our ignorance...maybe He does... but we need the feast for then ever.... they are meant to be practice activities for future events... sure I agree the physical literal types were completed at the Cross and Jesus coming into heaven, but there is also a human application to us gathering at appointed times, ,to practice future events....

How many of us are doing with less? Unleavened feast was about ding with less, to rid ourselves of sin

How many of us are praying for the latter rain? The Holy Spirit is waiting for us with a second Pentecost.

How many of us are ready for war and tribulation? The trumpet gathering is really important, yet we assume the second Sunday law is nothing to worry about....

How many of us are able to live in the mountains without mod cons? The Tabernacle practice is about getting ready... sure the Lord fed those in a desert who need food , but will the Lord feed us in a rainforest mountain wilderness? I doubt it.... the Lord expects us to live in His faith, and seek is food there....So how many of us are  ready and able ?

There are other feast gatherings... and they are for future events coming upon us....Jesus completed those aspects for our salvation...yes, I get that....but the feast also are for us humans to get ready for future events with Jesus at the helm..... but we assume we can approach the world's tribulation without preparation....

One last point, why do we keep the love feast of Jesus throughout eternity each new moon on the new earth?

So from the Cross to the second coming, the feast serve no purpose? but from the second coming for eternity they serve a purpose again? How can we be so silly ?

Also the disciples kept the feast in Acts... all of them are mentioned except trumpets... Oh we say these Jewish Christians had trouble giving up their old habits.... really? Or were they following Scripture blessings which Jesus is wanting to give us all...

Now I am not saying as some mock, we do not grab an animal or bitter herb.... catch the spiritual reasoning for the feast and start getting ready in Jesus


Seriously Rob, how can you ever "train" sth like what e.g. Elijah experienced or persecution while building huts once a year? We have the good old boys- and girlscouts to train such situations on a much more regular bases. What's the trumpet for? Those feast-days don't prepare us for a future event, cause their only purpose is already fulfilled with Jesus Christ and His sacrifise plus remembering the Exodus. 

Were the Israelites celebrating those feast-days before the Exodus (not talking about Sabbath)? God even states it officially in the Bible, that those feasts were for the Israelites after the Exodus alone:

Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths: That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

And i already quoted the verses from Hebrew 8, in which it is written, "that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." This just shows me, that those feast-days were valid for a special group of Gods people and not for all His children.

The disciples kept the feasts in Acts, cause they were Israelites who should remember the Exodus, cause it was their history. Did the new "gentile" members of the church in Greece or Rome celebrate those feast days?  

This is not about being ignorant, silly or a "mocker". If you want to keep the feast-days and if they are still fully valid, than why should we only build some huts or blow a trumpet, but not slaughter the lamb as God said in Numers and Leviticus? We have to skip more than half of those instructions regarding the feast-days after Jesus sacrifise, but insist, that the rest is still valid, cause we construct ourself some reason to justify it to continue celebrating them? Mmmm....that's not spiritual reasoning for me.

What Jesus installed during the "last supper" has a purpose, starting at the cross till eternity and combines all those feasts in one for people like me: not circumcised "gentiles" without any "Hebrew"- or "Israelite"- connection, understanding or background. And it will be this feast-day, which we will celebrate in Heaven together with Jesus. 



Greetings Simon

I am sorry if I offended, but some of us when discussing things need to keep patient and open minded...

You make a statement that we are not Hebrew....but my understanding from the lost tribes that we are all grafted into Israel as spiritual Hebrews...have I got this wrong ? Than all the Scripture torah would apply to me as equally as any Israelite...after all the word Hebrew means to cross over...

The story of old Israel is a type for us, so the similes are many and applicable to us...

Quote "than why should we only build some huts or blow a trumpet, but not slaughter the lamb as God said in Numers and Leviticus? We have to skip more than half of those instructions regarding the feast-days after Jesus sacrifise, but insist, that the rest is still valid, cause we construct ourself some reason to justify it to continue celebrating them? Mmmm....that's not spiritual reasoning for me.

I agree with you, application is not easy, as Jesus did make changes before He did....but we have the SOP to help us....what did she say about the love feasts of Jesus ?

She does say the old Israel economy would soon pass away...and when I think of the hundreds of human made rules on sacrifice, I am glad the burdens would pass away....

But you ask, why practice building a hut, for some weeks in a mountain? eating wild herbs and grasses and living by faith...Are you saying that practicing Jacob's Trouble (Tabernacle gathering feast) is a waste of time ?

When we sin we do injustice to the slaughter Jesus ....

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

This verse speaks of assembling  together....

Quote" We have to skip more than half of those instructions regarding the feast-days after Jesus sacrifise,

No, we would have to read the symbols in a new light...let me illustrate

Mt 26:26 ¶ And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Look at this old feast with renewed meanings"

Instead of breaking a animal, we break a plant

Instead of blood forgiving sin, the plant juice forgives sin

We partake this feast as often as we need to point forward to Jesus again at the wedding feast

The old symbols are replaced with new symbols.... the old feast points forward to a future feast and future time...

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

This example was given before Jesus died, as torah requires

New doctrine needs new wine skins... as Jesus told us...

Thus we must look into the old feast for new symbols of renewed meaning for they point forward to a future time

As for trumpets, I would love to have some godly person tell us what's going to happen soon, when Sunday laws come....we all need such preparation....we need such a gathering...

Shalom & Happy Sabbath

Rob, what's another name for the love feast?


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