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As a Seventh Day Adventist myself, The so called "Seventh Day Remnant Church"  have no idea what they are talking about. From experience speaking...

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well i watched the video....

This is the first paragraph of the whole writing from EGW, Early Writings pg 258.3

I saw a company who stood well guarded and firm, giving no countenance to those who would unsettle the established faith of the body. God looked upon them with approbation. I was shown three steps-- the first, second, and third angels' messages. Said my accompanying angel, "Woe to him who shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages. The true understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received." I was again brought down through these messages, and saw how dearly the people of God had purchased their experience. It had been obtained through much suffering and severe conflict. God had led them along step by step, until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform. I saw individuals approach the platform and examine the foundation. Some with rejoicing immediately stepped upon it. Others commenced to find fault with the foundation. They wished improvements made, and then the platform would be more perfect, and the people much happier. Some stepped off the platform to examine it and declared it to be laid wrong. But I saw that nearly all stood firm upon the platform and exhorted those who had stepped off to cease their complaints; for God was the Master Builder, and they were fighting against Him. They recounted the wonderful work of God, which had led them to the firm platform, and in union raised their eyes to heaven and with a loud voice glorified God. This affected some of those who had complained and left the platform, and they with humble look again stepped upon it.  {EW 258.3}

Then you have this statement in the same writing:

Many look with horror at the course of the Jews in rejecting and crucifying Christ; and as they read the history of His shameful abuse, they think they love Him, and would not have denied Him as did Peter, or crucified Him as did the Jews. But God who reads the hearts of all, has brought to the test that love for Jesus which they professed to feel. All heaven watched with the deepest interest the reception of the first angel's message. But many who professed to love Jesus, and who shed tears as they read the story of the cross, derided the good news of His coming. Instead of receiving the message with gladness, they declared it to be a delusion. They hated those who loved His appearing and shut them out of the churches. Those who rejected the first message could not be benefited by the second; neither were they benefited by the midnight cry, which was to prepare them to enter with Jesus by faith into the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary. And by rejecting the two former messages, they have so darkened their understanding that they can see no light in the third angel's message, which shows the way into the most holy place. I saw that as the Jews crucified Jesus, so the nominal churches had crucified these messages, and therefore they have no knowledge of the way into the most holy, and they cannot be benefited by the intercession of Jesus there. Like the Jews, who offered their useless sacrifices, they offer up their useless prayers to the apartment which Jesus has left; and Satan, pleased with the deception, assumes a religious character, and leads the minds of these professed Christians to himself, working with his power, his signs and lying wonders, to fasten them in his snare. Some he deceives in one way, and some in another. He has different delusions prepared to affect different minds. Some look with horror upon one deception, while they readily receive another. Satan deceives some with Spiritualism. He also comes as an angel of light and spreads his influence over the land by means of false reformations. The churches are elated, and consider that God is working marvelously for them, when it is the work of another spirit. The excitement will die away and leave the world and the church in a worse condition than before. {EW 260.1}

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them. He hopes to deceive the honest and lead them to think that God is still working for the churches. But the light will shine, and all who are honest will leave the fallen churches, and take their stand with the remnant.

When certain things start to happen, like christian rock / christian rap/ talking puppets/ worldly entertainment,start coming into the churches, IF their is no changes made in a/the particular church, a lot of TRUE adventist WILL leave that/those churches, and start other churches under the same name as 7th Day Adventist. That is a requirement from God when He says in Rev. 18:4,5

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Exactly!  The Gospel is for the WORLD....What a concept! smh 

Then again, it's also THE BIBLE...ssmh

@ Alexander


I think his point was directed at the fact that some individual churches in our ranks in doing these thinks (not sure about the puppet shows, but I can understand why he would say SDA's shouldn't be ok with rock concerts in the sanctuary.) have them selves strayed form many of our founding doctrines..

For example a church we have here in Tempe was (in referring to pork) saying "it's just a peace of meat" we would not tolerate it and left... No one in their right mind would say that eating pork is ok for Adventist doctrine, or that that one location represented the church as a whole. Basically what I am pointing out is that if a person leaves an SDA church in error they are not in affect leaving the denomination.. just the one erring church... and sometimes that means getting approval from the GC to start another in the area, because there is no where else to go...

I  don't feel puppets are entirely a bad  thing,I think they can bee a good tool  for kids etc. It depend son the context cause I know  puppets have a history  of being used for story, religion, satire, as well as ritual. With that said I feel that the nature of the search gathering  and sanctuary should mirror what was in the bible with praise, music, prayer and sermon. I should be kept relatively simple.  Some of those other kind of programs show be eliminated all together or done at another place and time.

Puppets are a great secondary tool (much like cartoons), however, children also need to see "real life" examples of teaching tools with real people in them.

I completely agree with you. You helped me to clarify. I meant to say the nature of a church gathering should be about "real life", so some of those other things like puppets etc can be done at home or another gathering. We should be careful about what we allow into the sanctuary. As it concerns children, I know kids love to be told a good story especially if it's true, so in church  let it be a bible story or some real life experience.


How did you get off on this tangent? Mark was not even refering to any of that in his last reply..... What he said was entirely biblical and has nothing to do with shepherds rod doctrine... (p.s. sorry if my typing is sloppy. I'm still getting used to my I pad)

Amen :0)

children's story with talking puppets!

yeah im there


puppets that are mimes! not so much


who r u people!!!!!!!!!!!

talk about a faulse witness


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