The Shepherd's Rod Message, is it Truth or Error?
When not verbally insulted, abused, there are times when adherents are literally beaten, or physically out as outcasts. This may seem incredible, but it's true. Perhaps you have seen it. But have you ever wondered why it is so vehemently opposed? How about you? Why are you so convinced that the Shepherd's Rod message is spurious?
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Permalink Reply by Shay on
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I thought this was a site for Adventists to discuss their beliefs in matters of faith and practice. sml. I certainly did not think it was a forum for others of differering faiths to proselytize. Furthermore given the perception that SRod's have espoused regarding SDA's, it hardly seems one of goodwill.
Here's what I have come to understand regarding their beliefs: Victor Houteff, their originator felt he had recieved 'new light' beyond that given to the Adventist church through the Word and E.G. White. There may be other beliefs but a primary one seems to be that there will be two more advents, the first preceding the 'loud cry' in which Jesus will set up an invisible kingdom in Jerusalem through the auspices of a human leader. Proportedly those who believe and follow this leader will be sealed as the 144,000 who will then go forth to the world to give the loud cry. They believe that SDA's who do not accept their teaching will be destroyed before the loud cry and that after the loud cry, Christ will return. (I am not sure why anyone would be destroyed before recieving pivotal information regarding their soul's salvation!)
As I understand it, based on Houteff's written words, it was the goal of his to take possession of the Adventist church by working from within to leaven the thinking and hopefully make converts. He was quite angry at tithes not being funnelled to his 'evangelical' pursuits, namely that of converting SDAs. As a result of his known agenda and beliefs, Srods have not been allowed membership in the Adventist church. Nowhere in the scriptures do I see any evidence for such beliefs!
P.S. Thank you to those that provided websites for researching this. They were helpful.
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Permalink Reply by N Him on
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Good Points Shay. I am most happy to agree with you. And am wondering why we have to submit ourselves to S Rods coming here and trying to proselytize. They seem to be taking over this forum.
For awhile ... I was thinking this forum was really improving. Now we have to deal with the invasion.
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Permalink Reply by Ryan Kraulik on
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Thankyou for this brief description of what it is.
I havent ever looked into it but I did just now on wikpedia and anything with the 'star of david' as a symbol or jewish zionism...? what do yah think?
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Permalink Reply by W. Spence on
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Hi Ryan
On that Wikipedia site anyone can add anything in to the mix I think. If so, not quite accurate.
It is definitely not "Zionism", yet it is a large topic, and there are quite a few books.
If you want original literature, you can find it on-line or ask me at sd4a@yahoo.ie.
Take Care
Walt
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YOU ARE WELCOME AND ANY TIME YOU CAN ASK , THERE ARE GOOD AND HONEST SOULS IN THE DSDA BUT THEY ARE TRAPPED WITH ERROR AND FOLLOW BLINDLY
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Permalink Reply by Timothy Canham on
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Dear Brother Roger
There are millions of Christians who believe that Seventh Day Adventist are trapped in error and follow it blindly. May I ask, is this true? Certainly not. We look at any religion that differs from us today and will pull them down as they are in error. Is it safe to say that we are without error? Certainly not, in fact the SDA church has thousands of independent ministries that have come up because they feel the SDA church is not following the tune of Christ and are heading down a slippery road. The real challenge is not whether the Shepherd's Rod is error, but whether it is true? That for me is the real question. When I looked at this message carefully, I put aside my prejudice and opened my Bible and cross referenced quotes from the Bible and SOP only to my surprise the following occurred:
If this is error then it would lead me to exit the SDA church as in the instance of other movements, but this message has kept me in the church, the SDA church. If it was error then I would be free to live licentiously as error always keeps a person in sin and not out of it. Error takes you to two extremes, fanaticism and total liberalism (to do as you please) but this message sharpens the mind and makes one aware of his tendencies to do either of the two. However, only time and chance will tell? The question is not whether SDA or DSDA is right, it is am I living up to the truth the Lord has given me? Each one of us are responsible for the truth we know but it seems that we have become so blinded in our prejudice that we fail to here anyone but our own thoughts. So brother Roger, why waste so much time in proving whether this is error when you can make a lot of difference by living up to the truth we has an Adventist. I can guarantee you if we all would live up to the truth revealed as it is in Christ Jesus, we would make a world of difference.
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Hi Timothy
Much appreciated. The message does show that there is no place else to go -- no other denomination.
Is it true? That is the question indeed.
Take Care
Walt
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Hi Ron
I am not sure what (whose), description you are referring to, but the belief was not arrived at overnight, nor in a casual manner. Consider.
I was raised in an SDA household and had, and still have many relatives and friends within. I even went to some SDA schools.I have no hatred toward the people of the SDA as I consider the whole, family.
Thus being said, if true then one should be led to ask, "why"?
Why do I say the SR is a true message? What has this man seen?
However, I learned early in life not to rely on reports when firsthand information is available. Even well-meaning people sometimes get the facts etc, wrong.
I read also what I was given from the conference sources, in regard to the Shepherd's Rod, early on in my investigation. It knocked me back for a while, but in three days or so, I was reminded of what I had already read in the SR. material in comparison, noting that the writers of the conference paper were either unfamiliar with the message of the Shepherd's Rod, were deliberate in the false assertions, but was in many item, simple mistaken.
The lesson was understood and reaffirmed...."get firsthand information, and ask the the Lord to show the true or false". I just read the books and prayed when I thought I was seeing something needing explanation. I always received the answer or a reference from EGW or Bible telling me directly.
When I began by the way, I do not think I owned even one of the EGW books, but they soon became precious to me.
I could tell you many stories of my interactions over the years, both with ministers not a few and laymen, family members etc, etc.
People are really quite interesting. There is much yet to learn.
Take Care
Walt
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Permalink Reply by JOHN TODD WOLCOTT on
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Amen brother!
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Permalink Reply by Prophecy_101 on
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Walter is a false Shepherd where he lives and is spreading Houteff's errors such as Jesus returning to judge on earth before probation closes. That is contrary to the Truth for He intercedes in the sanctuary above and when it is finished, He removes the priestly garments and puts on the Kingly ones. There are many more errors...
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Hi Ron
True. It could mean either, but which?
One thing for certain is that we do not want to be caught in a position similar to the opponents in ......................
Mat 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The reader must consider prayerfully, and decide.You know what she says about "hooks" right?
Take Care
Walt
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Hi Ron
I do not think that I am in a position to "spell out" what each (myself included), may be "in danger of rejecting", but my speech to myself and others would be to, "be open to receive all that God would send".
God moves the honest ones along at the pace He sees fit.
I would say, "cast nothing aside (no matter how weird it first may seem), without first prayerfully studying carefully, and weighing purported evidence".
We must admit our real condition of blindness, before we can truly see.
I hope that I have finally learned my lesson on this, but human is, as human is.
Take Care
Walt
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