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I agree, my understanding that the gift of tongues was more a gift of hearing.  That each man heard in his own language (can't remember the EG White quotes on this).  The message was directly delivered to each person as each of them heard the message in his own language.  That would prevent confusion as your native tongue is the one you understand the best.  But the gift of tongues today is interpeted differently by many.  Tongues as many churches use them are not always interpeted even.  There seems to be no purpose for them but distraction from the message!

I've always wondered about this topic. hopefully someone will clear it up for me. The Bible does say in Acts that "each man heard in his own language" but isn't there more to the gift of tongues?

Romans 14:2 says Those who speak in strange tongues do not speak to others but to God, because no one understands them. They are speaking secret truths by the power of the Spirit.

why would Paul say that if he was just talking about 'speaking in your own language while others hear you in their language?
He also said later on that speaking in tongues won't help others unless someone is there to interpret what is said. Why would you need an interpreter if the people listening is hearing you speak in their own language?

Does that mean that the modern day speaking of tongues really is Biblical?

Good point. Interesting point. I think you meant 1 Corinthians 14:2 though.

Also consider this message from Pastor Doug. I thought it was interesting:

The video covers the 3 times that tongues were actually used in the bible. It also warns about using tongues to edify yourself (1 Cor 14:4) vs. using it for spreading the gospel and love of Jesus like the other fruits of the Spirits. So look at it and for your conclusions.

I would say this though, In the bible, whenever tongues is mentioned, the person who is speaking know what they are saying and they are either edified or they are edifying (so they know the conversation that is taking place). In many modern churches who speak in tongues, the people speaking do not know what they are saying. They say their spirit is speaking to God or praising God and they have no idea what they are saying. That should raise some questions or concerns in my opinion. But I'm just a bible student like the rest of us searching for Truth.

-Stay blessed.

whoops, thanks Alvin. Yes I meant Corinthians. (don't know how I mixed that up) thanks for the video. I'll watch it later God willing :)
God bless

So according to you, that tongues should not be used for edification of self spiritually, then the Apostle Paul would be wrong, if your right, I Corinthians 14:"12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.  13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.  14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.  15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.  16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?  17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.  18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:  19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

Praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues, which is perfect prayer. The context is speaking in tongues, they were exhorted to pray in tongues, and with understanding, to sing in tongues, and with understanding. Paul often speaks in his epistles to the churches of praying unceasingly, which is speaking in tongues-praying in the spirit. Edifying oneself means to build oneself up spiritually by speaking in tongues. Jude 1:20: "         20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost [holy spirit]. Building is edifying, and praying in the holy spirit means speaking in tongues. It DOES NOT mean praying for the holy spirit to come into a building or place, as some suppose, as you cannot receive by prayer the holy spirit once you have received it initially when you are born again. It does not go out and in, but stays in. In the old testament the spirit was upon only a few prophets, and was upon them, and not in them, and was conditional, and could be lost. Now we are sons of God, children of God, you can't stop being someone's earthly child, though you can do things that your father disapproves of, so are we better than God? 

Speaking in tongues is also a sign, to unbelievers and is evidence that you are born again and that Jesus Christ got up from the dead. No wonder Lucifer wants all believers to not speak in tongues, or operate that other manifestations of holy spirit. 

The church at Corinth was operating out of order and in chaos, not because they spoke in tongues, but because they did that and other things out of order, in confusion, and not in love and to excel to the edifying of the church.

Further in I Corinthians 14:" 37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.  38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.  39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.  40Let all things be done decently and in order."

Here is an excellent article about this subject from;

It is pasted below:


What is Speaking in Tongues and why does God say to do it?

What is Speaking in Tongues and why does God say in 1 Corinthians 14:5 that He would like each Christian to do it?

No doubt that is a question that has been asked by millions of Christians throughout the centuries, and we believe that knowing the answer is vital for maximizing the quality of one’s life as a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. Why? The primary reason, as a study of Scripture will clearly show, is: speaking in tongues is the only absolute proof a Christian has that he is born again and guaranteed a parking place in Paradise, i.e., everlasting life (2 Cor. 1:21, 22; Eph. 1:13, 14; 1 John 3:24). Speaking in tongues is the only valid external, tangible evidence in the senses realm that the internal, intangible gift of holy spirit was shed abroad in one’s heart at the moment of his new birth.

Please do not hear me saying that you must speak in tongues in order to be born again. No, anyone who adheres to Romans 10:9 is saved, permanently. Why? Because at that moment he is “born again of incorruptible seed” (1 Pet. 1:23). But, as we will see, speaking in tongues is the vitally important proof that you are forever a child of God.

The second most important thing about speaking in tongues is that it vividly illustrates to the believer the most basic principle of the Christian walk, which is trusting the Word of our heavenly Father.

Beyond that, speaking in tongues is a beautiful way to circumvent the limited vocabulary of our native tongue and tell our Father that we love Him. It is a way to perfectly worship (Phil. 3:3) and praise (1 Cor. 14:16) the Creator, to give thanks well (1 Cor. 14:17), to speak the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11), to magnify Him (Acts 10:46), to edify yourself (1 Cor. 14:4) and to build yourself up in faith (Jude 20). And if you have never done it, I will help you do so via this article and the video at the end of this article.

In this relatively brief piece, I cannot set forth the biblical background for every statement I make about the new birth, the gift of holy spirit, speaking in tongues, but we do just that in a number of relevant books and teaching tapes. My goal is to arrest your attention (or at least skirmish with it) to the end that you choose to dig deeper into our work on this critical subject. Although the phrase is over used, this is one subject that just might “change your life.”

As with many important biblical issues, an understanding of speaking in tongues relates specifically to an understanding of the administrations in Scripture. Unless we understand what parts of God’s Word are written to Jews, what parts are written to Gentiles, and what parts are written to Christians, we can neither understand nor apply its truths in our daily lives. For an overview of which parts of the Bible are written to you, click here!

We are currently living in what the Bible calls the Administration of the Sacred Secret (Eph. 3:9), which began on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1ff) and will conclude with the gathering together of the Church (all living and dead Christians) to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Unique to this administration is the salvation a person attains by adhering to Romans 10:9—confessing with his mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believing in his heart that God raised him from the dead. At that moment he is “born again of incorruptible seed” (1 Pet. 1:23) and baptized/filled with the gift of holy spirit (Acts 1:5; 2:38). As the Word says of each Christian, God has “anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come” (2 Cor. 1:22). Amen!

And you may say: “Great! Uh, how do we know?”

Some would reply: “Well, because God says so.”

“Yes, but I didn’t feel anything happen when I got saved, and the next day I smoked, drank whiskey, cursed, and cheated at miniature golf. So how do I know for sure that the holy spirit of God is permanently within me? Are there any evidences in the senses realm, the realm where I’ve lived from birth and to which I am almost completely attuned?”

And I say: “Evidences? You mean like something you can see, hear, touch, taste or smell?”


You’re in luck, because speaking in tongues is one of the nine “manifestations” (1 Cor. 12:7) of the gift of holy spirit. The word “manifestation” comes from two Latin words, manus, meaning “hand,” and festare, meaning “to touch.” It refers to something concrete and tangible. The gift of holy spirit each person receives when he gets born again is not tangible, because it is spirit, something not in the realm of the five senses. That’s why Scripture does not promise that one will feel anything when he gets born again. And that is why God has provided indisputable proof that something did happen, something so indescribably miraculous that there can be “no ifs, ands, or buts about it!”

This principle of tangible evidence in the senses realm is clearly illustrated in Matthew 9:1-8, which I will paraphrase: Some people brought to Jesus a paralyzed man, and Jesus said to him, “Cheer up, your sins are forgiven.”

Some grumpy Pharisees who were hanging around said to themselves, “Who does this guy think he is to forgive sins?”

It was risky to think things like that around Jesus, and he nailed them: “Now why do you have to rain on this guy’s parade? I’ve got a question: which is easier to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or, how about ‘Pick up your mat and take a walk’?”

“Well, uh, er…”

“To show you that I have the authority to forgive sins—watch this: Pick up your mat and go home.” And the paralyzed man was healed!

What’s the point? When Jesus told the man that his sins were forgiven, no one could see anything happen. The Pharisees saw no change in the man, so they said that Jesus’ words were bogus—the man’s sins were not forgiven. Jesus said, “Really? OK, let me try saying something else and see if that happens…Well, what d’ya know? Look at that.” He gave them indisputable proof in the senses realm that something had happened inside the man. Ditto for the new birth and speaking in tongues.

NOTE: Many Christians mistakenly refer to speaking in tongues, prophecy, etc., as “gifts” of the spirit, but Scripture never does (except in modern translations that add words to the Greek text but do not italicize them like the KJV does so the reader knows this). The (one) gift is holy spirit, the divine nature of God, who is called “the Holy Spirit,” the Giver. The gift He gives is holy spirit, His divine nature.

If someone gives you a Swiss Army knife or a Leatherman tool, you get one gift, but within that gift are many ways to use it—many “manifestations.” Likewise, anyone who is born again of God’s spirit has the ability to utilize all nine manifestations of the spirit. Most need only a little instruction. Every Christian can speak in tongues whenever he decides to do it. And if you do not speak in tongues, that includes you. Stay tuned for instructions on exactly how to do it.

Do you know that all but two of the nine manifestations of the gift of holy spirit were operational in the Old Testament and the Gospels? Only speaking in tongues and its companion manifestation, interpretation of tongues, are conspicuously absent prior to the Day of Pentecost. The question then becomes: What is so unique about speaking in tongues that God reserved it just for us who are born again of His spirit?

It is not what is unique about speaking in tongues, it is what is unique about salvation in the Church Administration that necessitated speaking in tongues as the indisputable proof of that unconditional salvation. In no other administration was salvation equated with seed, birth, and therefore permanent sonship. At no other time was salvation permanent, and no one ever dreamed it would be. Talk about “the world’s biggest deal?!” This is it! And God came up with a proof that to the ignorant may seem absurd, but which is actually very ingenious and practical.

Remember 2 Corinthians 1:22? God put His spirit in each Christian as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. The Greek word for “deposit” is arrabon, and it means a token, a downpayment, a guarantee. In the KJV it is translated “earnest,” as in “earnest money” that is put down on a house. 1 John 3:24b says, “And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.”

But wait a minute—you can’t feel the holy spirit, so how is that spirit the guarantee? By the manifestation of the spirit known as speaking in tongues, which only Christians can do. Speaking in tongues is how “the spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God” (Rom. 8:15) and, with the verse properly punctuated, it is what 1 John 5:11 refers to as “the witness that God has given us eternal life.” Hey, that fits perfectly with Acts 1:8, when Jesus told his disciples that when they received the holy spirit, they would be witnesses of him. Why? Because they would then have within them his witness to them that they were equipped with all they needed to go forth in his name!

To speak in tongues is to fluently speak a language of either men or angels, a language that does not come from your mind, but by way of God’s spirit within you. It is primarily designed for one’s internal use, but it is also to be utilized in a gathering of Christians by following it with its companion manifestation, interpretation of tongues, so that the Church is edified by one’s praise to God (1 Cor. 14:5b). “Tongues” is a language that God gives you, just as He first did on Pentecost when the Church was born. And that record in Acts 2:1-4 brings up the pattern God intended for every Christian, which is that each one speak in tongues right after he is born again.

Why? So that one immediately knows once and for all that (a) he has everlasting life, (b) the Word of God is true, (c) Jesus Christ is alive, (d) he is filled with the power of God and can utilize all the other manifestations. That is why God clearly says in 1 Corinthians 14:5 that He would like each Christian to speak in tongues. I think that for our Father, hearing a newborn Christian speak in tongues parallels how a mother feels when she hears her newborn baby make its first cry—it’s alive! The difference is that when God hears a child of His speak in tongues, He knows that life will be forever.

How tragic that countless Christians never take advantage of this marvelous ability. They don’t because they can’t—if they are taught that speaking in tongues ended with the first-century apostles, or that it is devilish, or that it is a gift for only some people, or if they are taught nothing at all about it. In the past 35 years, I have had the awesome privilege of helping to lead thousands of dear saints into speaking in tongues, some of whom were 60-80 years old and had longed for it for decades. With a few minutes of instruction, they easily did it, and many cried tears of great joy.

“OK, you said a few paragraphs ago that speaking in tongues is very practical. How so?”

Good question. The second vital truth about speaking in tongues, and also why God wants every Christian to start doing it immediately, is because it perfectly illustrates the “bottom line” principle of the Christian walk, which is trusting God and His Word.

How so? Think about it—God goes first, if you will, and gives His Son for us. Jesus takes his turn and goes to the Cross. God raises him and promises us salvation. Now it’s our turn. If we believe Romans 10:9, it’s God’s turn, and the Lord Jesus fills us with holy spirit (Acts 2:33).

God says, “I would like everyone of you to speak in tongues” (1 Cor. 14:5).

Our turn again: “Huh? You want me to fluently speak a language I’ve never learned?” The Lord Jesus Christ’s turn: “That’s right.”

You: “Seriously?”

The Lord: “Yes.”

You: “How?”

The Lord: “Good question. Remember Pentecost? What happened? They spoke in tongues as I gave them the words. So all you have to do is speak, but don’t speak a language you know.”

“Let me get this straight. You want me to open my mouth and employ the mechanics of speech, and you’re telling me I’ll be speaking a real language?”


Does that require any faith, any trust in God, Jesus Christ, and the Word? It sure does, and isn’t that what being a Christian is all about? It always comes down to whether or not we really believe what God says.

Want a biblical record that vividly illustrates exactly the same principle involved in speaking in tongues? Matthew 14:25 and following. The disciples are in their fishing boat amidst a great storm on the Sea of Galilee. Jesus strolls by—on the water. They freak out.

Jesus says, “Chill, it’s I.”

Peter piped up: “Yeah, well, if it’s really you, let me walk on the water too.”

“Come on.”

Now put yourself in Peter’s potentially soggy shoes. Does he have a promise? Yes. What is it? That he can walk on the water—Jesus wouldn’t ask him (or you) to do anything he couldn’t do. And with the promise comes a provision—“If you step out, I’ll help you.” Now it’s Peter’s turn. How will he find out if the promise is true? There’s only one way—step out of the boat! And he did! But it was not until the split second his foot touched the water that God “took His turn” and made it firm under his feet. Had Peter put his foot one inch from the water and said, “Oh, this won’t work,” he never would have experienced the power of God.

See the principle? It is exactly the same in regard to speaking in tongues. If you are born again (if you’re not sure, see Romans 10:9 for instructions), you can speak in tongues. How do you know? Because God would not ask you to do something you cannot do. And He clearly says, “I would like for you [each Christian] to speak in tongues” (1 Cor. 14:5). And, as we have set forth, He gives you plenty of incentive and motivation by laying out its benefits.

So whose turn is it now? Right—yours. What do you have to lose to give it a shot? OK, if you’re online during a break at work amidst a gaggle of co-workers, you better wait ‘til you get home.

Good, you’re home. So, how do you do it?

Simple — you just open your mouth and utilize the mechanics of speech, but do not speak English or any other language you know. What you will be speaking is whatever language God chooses to give you. If it is a language of men, someone somewhere on the earth (among the approximately 6000 or so dialects) could understand it. If it’s a language of angels, no one on earth would understand it.

Now hear this! When it comes to speaking in tongues, there is only one way to fail—and that is not to speak. Please hear me. If you open your mouth and speak (not a language you know), it cannot fail—you will speak in tongues. Now then, if you do move your lips, your throat, your tongue and formulate different words, and you fail to speak in tongues, do not call me—call the Guinness Book of Records, because you will be the first human being since the Day of Pentecost for whom it didn’t work. If it does work, I’d love to hear from you.

Through the years, I have shared these same truths with many people. Some have come back to me and said, “I tried it and it didn’t work.”

I always ask: “Did you open your mouth and project sounds? Did you speak?”

And they say, “Well, no.”

And I say, “Then you did not try.”

Just as with Peter’s foot touching the water, so God cannot give you the words until you speak. Do you see how this perfectly illustrates what the Christian life is all about? God makes many promises to us, but the only way they come to pass is when we act on them. Our heavenly Father makes wonderful promises to us because He adores us, and oh, how He longs to fulfill them to us for our benefit.

So why not relax, take a deep breath, let it out slowly, and focus your mind on the God and the Lord who love you immeasurably. Thank them for having filled you with the holy spirit, take another breath, and let it rip—speak forth words of praise, thanksgiving, and worship. And that is exactly what you will be speaking. And be BOLD—the words you are hearing are the proof that Jesus is alive and well—and that so will you be—forever! It cost him his life for you to be able to praise and worship God in this wonderful way, so get into it!

One more thing—not only will you hear the words you are speaking, like when you speak in your native tongue, but because you are not using your mind to speak in tongues, you can also listen to what you are saying—and that is why it may sound really strange at first. But so would any language you’ve never heard before.

If you decide to speak in tongues now, and it is your first time, keep doing it for a while so that you become convinced that it is real. The junk part of your mind may tell you: “That’s ridiculous, you’re just making it up.” Here are some appropriate replies (that are printable): “No way—I couldn’t make that up.” “Take a hike.” “Get lost.” “Put a sock in it.” “SHUT UP!” Just keep speaking in tongues, and eventually that part of your mind will get tired of telling that lie to you.

In closing, let me say how moved I am at the amazing privilege of sitting here at my computer (first at the Spirit & Truth Fellowship International office and now at the Ford dealer who is fixing my car) and writing something that dear people like you (from Alabama to Afghanistan, Bakersfield to Borneo, Cleveland to Calcutta, etc.) will read and then speak in tongues for the first time. My heart is with you. Go for it!

Praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues, which is perfect prayer. The context is speaking in tongues, they were exhorted to pray in tongues, and with understanding, to sing in tongues, and with understanding. Paul often speaks in his epistles to the churches of praying unceasingly, which is speaking in tongues-praying in the spirit

I cannot find "praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues" anywhere in the Bible, do you have a verse or verses that point this out????   The time I spent in Pentecostal churches I heard people speaking in tongues.  I was not impressed by the behavior of these people.  The same ecstatic utterances were repeated over and over and it was just gibberish. It was not a tongue as in a language, it was not a language of Angels it was just the expected babbling to show that you were "spirit" filled.  

It's also a mild form if demon possession...
Then according to you Paul, the apostles, we're all mildly demonized. Since Jesus said tongues was a sign, then Jesus is part of that also and instigated it, so according to you he is facilitating demon possession. Great logic, you really have it all together, don't you.
Re: Bart post praying in the spirit.
That was proven by the scriptures themselves in their context. See above my post 'according to you...' All the way to the reference to Spirit And Truth article's link. Careful reading of scriptures and understanding it, the context and all other scriptures especially dealing with the subject at hand is crucial to Biblical accuracy and rightly dividing the Word of God and not falling into unbelief, misconceptions and doctrinal and practical errors.

Being a world wide Church I suspect that many tongues are spoken.

Yes, I myself speak in diversity of tongues (many kinds) sounding everything from antiquated French, to African, and Asian and even Pacific Islander languages, some of the African and Pacific languages are very guttural sounding to westerners, but one person's language sounds like 'gibberish' to one who doesn't speak that language. But tongues if from God is a true language of men or Angels.

I have researched about and practiced all 9 manifestations of the holy spirit in cooperation with God for 40 years now. I base my points below on that research, experience and the practices of others over the years. I have personally never seen or heard "counterfeit tongues," and the worst I have seen personally as far as out of order is people speaking in tongues without interpreting. 99.9% SDA have never spoken in tongues whatsoever, yet you are such experts and opinionated about this subject. Yet I have been called everything from counterfeit to occultic. Not one of you have ever even observed what I do by the spirit of God. My posts about the Breech Baby and Valley Fire Miracles were flatly ignored. I am sure I will get negative responses here as usual.

God nor the spirit of God has not changed at all, but ask yourself, if we have correct doctrine and practice, why haven't we seen the power of the holy spirit like in the Book of Acts? Correct doctrine and practice will manifest the spirit of God on a regular basis, and signs, miracles and wonders will follow. I am not talking about counterfeit manifestations such as Kundalini spirit activity as shown on Youtube etc.

There is much confusion and false understanding on this subject as well as about all 9 manifestations of holy spirit, due to the fact that for 2000 years its practice, understanding of this subject was lost, and that there were no mentors to teach others, with very few exceptions of the manifestations of holy spirit in operation over the many centuries. So the translators did not understand this subject, and they added "gifts" to the translation of 1611 KJV which they tell you was added by those words being italicized in the KJV, which means they have no divine authority. The word pneumaticos used with the italicized word gifts is the key, as that word means spiritual matters or things, that God does not want us to be ignorant of, as in I Corithians 12:1. The to anothers in reference to the manifestations also appears to be saying that each person gets one manifestation. I have research on that that explains it, having to do with two Greek words for another, allos, and heteros, having to do with the view to who is profited initially by the manifestation, with Faith and many kinds of tongues being of a different kind and charactoristic, blessing and profiting the one operating those manifestations while the other uses of "another" (Greek; Allos, the use of that word meaning having the same qualities and charactoristics, as used with the other manifestations as listed.

Part of the lost sacred secrets given to Paul that have been lost is the truth that every believer gets the same amount of holy spirit, the maximum you can get, and that each believer can operate all 9 manifestations of holy spirit, because he has Christ in him the hope of glory, and Jesus said about the signs that would follow them that believe, including speaking in tongues, as well as that greater works will ye do...

Most of Christianity is in great unbelief and apostasy.

1.speaking by the spirit of God, perfect prayer, sign to unbeleivers, speaking divine secrets, edifying the speaker, praise and magnifying God. Makes intercession for the saints. Is evidence in senses realm of being born again. When tongues interpreted, it edifies, comforts and exhorts, can be prayer to God, gives thanks well.

2.Day of Pentecost the Apostles' SIT was the same as genuine tongues today, but with added phenomenon that all the people from the different countries understood what was said in their native tongue. Maybe each Apostle spoke a different language then the others and or their tongues were diverse kinds to accommodate all the languages of the people present as this was a great moment. It also could be some other kind of method; We don't know for certain.

3.The person speaking in tongues does not know the language(s) he is speaking, as it is not learned. Either language of men or of angels. But if a language of men, someone present might know the language, could be arranged by God for a particular purpose, have heard of that, But that is unusual, usually no one knows the langauges being spoken. It is not therefore primarilly for witnessing in other countries, though that could and may have been done on occasion. There are often exceptions as God has perogative and authority to go beyond what he has promised, which is phenomenon.

As regards the actual speaking in tongues; The speaker with freedom of will proceeds; speaks by opening lips, moving tongue, vocal chords as the spirit of God in him gives the utterance of a language of men or of angels as the part of the brain that forms the words are bipased; but at no time is conscience lost, surroundings, movements, breathing, hearing, all 5 senses you are cogniscent of including the actual speaking in tongues as you hear what you are speaking, but don't know until you speak the words or message is, as it flows out. The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets principle applies to all manifestations of holy spirit.

A believer can speak in tongues by the spirit of God, but have spiritual problems and influences or doctrinal errors or learned behavior that is not from God at the same time the tongues are done. Things such as slain in the spirit, wierd behaviour and similar things should not occur. Feelings vary from time to time and to individual personality and such, but are not necessarilly automatically involved. In the beginning when a person realizes the greatness and significance of this as a first time or newly acquired experience with God, emotions could run a bit higher; people do the same thing in church services or in wedding ceremonies.The idea of extreme estatic or fanaticism or strange behaviour should not be part of it other than what I said above.

4. Speaking in tongues and all other manifestations of holy spirit have no connection to demonic spiritual experiences other than such that revelation can be given by the Devil as well as God as well as false healing and such, with a price to be paid that God does not do. True speaking in tongues, done with freedom of will, cannot be counterfeited, but as stated above possible subsequent false spiritual influences or erroneous practices or doctrines, which should not be done, could make people turn against tongues as a practice, which is why Lucifer causes such confustion. But the actual manifestation of speaking in tongues when done decently and in order according to both scripture and spirit should not be outragious or have other weird things other than a language that probably no one usually knows, but could occur if someone listening knows it.

The interpretation is done by the same person that speaks in tongues, immediatly following the tongues, done in the native language of the person, which is also given by the holy spirit and flows out as the person speaks, not knowing until the words come out what is to be said. It is not a UN type translation, rather an interpretation, the gist of what was said in tongues.

Both tongues and interpretaton, and prophesy are wonderful and edifying, comforting and or exhortation to a more worthy endeavor. You have never heard it done properly, only wierd stuff on the internet, that and your bias against tongues, though bibilcal, attaints your attitude, understanding and opinion.

True tongues is from God and has no similarity to demonic activity other than Godly and ungodly spiritual things are both "spiritual," but from differnent sources.

I have done extensive research into the occurlt from Christian/Biblical viewpoint.

5.Pentecostal activities would have to be judged on a case by case basis. I know some of their procedures such as having a different person interpret is not correct, as the interpreter is actually performing prophesy, not interpretation of the tongues speaker. The holy spirit can confirm something with someone else, such as agreement by revelation or cooperation of messages that flow together in tongues with interpretation or prophesy, but the holy spirit doesn't jump from one to another as Pentecostals assume. Some Pentecostals or other groups erroneously teach that you have to SIT to be born again. Not true.

6.Fruit of the spirit is just that, fruit that comes from following God in the spirit, wich also includes operation of the 9 manifestations of holy spirit. I have observed that people that don't manifest the spirit of God do indeed obtain fruit of the spirit as well as those that do the 9 manifestations or any protion thereof.

There is great misunderstanding from Corinth until now about the manifestations. It must also be remembered that these manifestations are supposed to work together when needed to do so, and can be operated individually when needed.

Someone had a video tape of people speaking in tongues and dancing around etc.. It doesn't have to be dramatic. Look at Spirit and Truth Fellowships videos and information, please see the following on this page:

The Gift and The Giver parts 1, 2,3

Introduction to Manifestatons

My posting is a very slim summary, whole books could and are written on the subject, most are very badly done. I agree with many things that spirit and truth fellowship teach, they do great work, but I disagree on charactorization of the manifestations slightly, as well as rapture, I believe in gathering together of Thessalonians chapter 4:16 the resurrection of the just and the change and joining of those alive unto his coming. I also disagree with Romans 13, that it is not about primarilly obeying the government, but rather cooperating with God and everything that is godly, but resisting that which is evil, which in history has often been evil governments and leaders set up by Satan.

I have much research on this subject and cannot pour it all out here, this is just the main principles without too much detail. The book of Acts is a big subject. But the tongues Cornelius and party did was speaking by the spirit of God, in languages they did not know, which Peter heard. A whole book could be written on just the Book of Acts.


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