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Friends, you do not know the efforts that are being put forth by the leaders to make you think that the church accepted the 1888 message. You do not examined the original uninterferred, unprinted records as I have, thus you don't really know the facts.

Many Spirit of Prophecy statements have been kept hidden or are been unread with regards to 1888. Dates have been perverted with the fear that the people might know the facts should they read them. Don't be deceived my dear people, the men in leading positions know that the message was rejected, but they are consciously keeping this knowledge from you.


In Canada, and different parts of the world, the leaders know that what the church now teaches is not what was presented at the 1888 Minneapolis meetings nor after. They are following General Conference policy and are keeping you in the dark

For example, if in the morning, it becomes official General Conference policy to proclaim that the church rejected the message, you would suddenly see the ministers teaching this. All this only shows that they are knowingly, like evil shepherds, leading the flock astray to preserve their acceptance with the Conference and to preserve their jobs.

In this tract I shall honor the God of Truth by presenting to you some S.O.P. quotations, proving clearly that the church through the actions of its stubborn ministers, rejected the 1888 message.


In 1890, Sister White said:

"Now brethren, we want to have the simplicity of Christ. I know that he has a blessing for us, he had it for us at the time of the General Conference here. But there was no reception." E.G.W., Manuscript Release No.253

So you see Mrs. White said that there was no reception of the message. Here is another quotation out of the many quotations that shows that the ministers rejected the message and kept the people from it!


"Now I was saying, what was the use of our assembling here together and for our ministering brethren to come in if they are here only to shut out the Spirit of God from our people?" E.G.W. Sermon at Minneapolis Conference Oct 24, 1888. M59

Did you see that? At the Conference she prophesied that they would keep the message from the people!


The 1888 message was called the "Loud Cry" by Mrs. White!

"The time of test is just upon us, for the Loud Cry of the Third Angel has already begun in the revelation of righteousness of Christ, the sin pardoning redeemer. This is the beginning of the light of the Angel whose glory shall fill the whole earth." RH-Nov. 2, 1892

By 1888 even onto 1892 the Loud Cry had begun.


Is the church now preaching the Loud Cry? If so, how come the Sunday Law is not yet enforced? How come the members are yet so worldly?

We know that the church is presently in a lukewarm condition, so it is not preaching the Loud Cry! So where then did the Loud Cry go? What happened to it? From 1888-1996 gives us 108 years, the Loud Cry would take a short time, so we could not have been preaching it for all those years!


The message was rejected, here is what Mrs. White says about this.

"The whole of revelation 18 will be fulfilled in the glorious closing of this work. It hasn't yet been fulfilled, and the light of the fourth Angel's message began to shine in that strange and impressive way at Minneapolis. The only reasonable conclusion is that the light was put out by human instrumentality's." E.G.W. Letter 106


Did you see that? The light was PUT OUT, so the whole of Rev 18 could not be fulfilled, thus the church rejected the message'

Here is another startling statement from Ellen G. White:

"In 1888 at the General Conference held in Minneapolis, Minnesota, the Angel of Revelation 18:1 came down to do his work, and was ridiculed, criticized and rejected. And when the message he brings again, swells into a loud cry, it will be again be ridiculed, spoken against, and be rejected by the majority." E.G. W. Taking up a Reproach

In this quotation we clearly see that the message was rejected, and that it will be rejected again, as is now happening.


Sister White says that the majority will reject the message. Now let me give you an example of the great deception that has been practiced over and over again in the books about the history of 1888 that have been written by the leaders. Time and time again, I have been called upon to explain certain claims in these books, for these men have mixed up dates, juggled around phrases, and cut off portions of valuable statements from the Spirit of Prophecy that proves the church rejected the message.


A striking illustration is seen in what was done to a letter written by a C. C. Mc Reynolds, about the 1888 Conference. He was present at the Conference and witnessed the whole event. The letter is placed together with one by W. C. White (Ellen White's son) and A. T. Robinson in Appendix D of the book "Through Crisis To Victory." Written by A. V. Olson ' (publish later under the title "Thirteen Crisis Years."). Those three letters were placed there as testimonies that the church accepted the message.


All three men were present at the 1888 Conference, and their letters were used as proof that the church accepted the message. The letters were not placed in the book by Olson, for he died of a heart attack on a Friday evening as he was completing the book. Perhaps this was retribution from God, for when his book is read, if his source materials are referred to in their uninterfered state it would be seen that he saw clear evidences for the rejection of the message but he deliberately hid the facts and set out to deceive his readers. He was not deceived; he knew what he was doing. The book is a body of deception.


The Ellen White Estate publish the book and placed the letters in the Appendix. When the letters are read in their original form, one is amazed at what they did to White's letter and that of Mc Reynolds! The men in the estate consciously twisted the facts and lied to the people to make them think that the church accepted the message.


In his letter, A. T. Robinson not only contradicts himself in his own letter, but he contradicts the testimonies of both White and Mc. Reynolds when they are read in their original forms. The letter of Robinson is completely produced in Olson's book, but not those of White and Mc Reynolds. When White's entire letter is studied in its original form it, would be seen that the estate broke it up in paragraphs out of sequence with the original letter, it would not then appear to prove that the message was accepted but that it was rejected.


It is with Mc Reynolds letter that the gross deception was practiced by the estate. The letter has dots (...) showing that five portions were deleted. A sixth and final portion was also removed, and there are no dots (...) showing that this was done. When the letter is read from Olson's book, one would think with the exception of the five deletions the letter is complete, but this is not so, for a sixth portion has been deleted without any indication whatsoever. Thus when one reads what was deleted, it would-be seen how these leaders really know that the church rejected the message, but they have been hiding this fact from the people.


I will quote some of the six missing portions,the final quotation will be the sixth missing read very carefully...

"When the delegates came in from the last meeting of the day there was simple babble, with much joking and laugher, and some very disgusting comments were made; no spirit of solemnity prevailing. A few did not engage in the hilarity."

Certainly this is not people that accepted the message. You just read the second omission; here is the third omission.


"(After) Elder Waggoner had finished his eleven studies, the influence of which has in quite a measure taken out of many the debating spirit .... However the opposition proceeded."

Some of the men claimed at that meeting they "...have always believe in justification by faith and preached it." But Mc Reynolds said in one of the deletions...

"That was true in theory and with some of the older ministers, it was true that they knew by experience what it is, but in many cases the theory was all they had, and I know that some of our dear old brethren contend to this day that there was no confusion and really no debate."


Mc Reynolds continues:

"Well, I was there and was in the midst of it, both in the public meeting and in the private quarters and I know the spirit of debate and controversy ran high and some bitter feeling were developed, but the conference closed with a dark shadow over many minds."

Did you read that? How could they then claim that the church accepted the message? Now for the fifth omission!


In this one, reference is made to confessions that were made by " most of the leading men" during the next two or three years! This ploy is used today by the ministers to prove that the church accepted the message, but Mc Reynolds quotes from Elder Daniells book in contrast to this! This is his quotation:

"How sad, how deeply regrettable it is that this message of righteousness in Christ should at the time Of its coming, have met with opposition on the part of earnest, well-meaning men in the caus2 of God." (Christ Our Righteousness)


Mc Reynolds was showing that Daniells who was alive during the 1888 era knew the facts! But now, read the sixth omission in Mc Reynolds letter, which was not indicated by the E.G.White Estate! Here is the surprising quotation:

"Much more, very much more might be added, but it is all made plain by many quotations from message published in the booklet by Elder Daniells, 'Christ Our Righteousness' which I recommend all to read. I am sorry for anyone in Minneapolis in 1888..."

"…who does not recognize that there was opposition and rejection of the message that the Lord sent to his people at that time. It is not too late yet to repent and receive a great blessing." (C. C. Mc Reynolds, Lt. 1934 E. G. White Vaults)


Did you see what the estate was hiding from the people? The church did reject the message and by 1931 when Mc Reynolds was writing that letter, the church still did not have the message so he admonished the church to "repent and receive a great blessing."

My dear people, do you see how far these men would go to deceive you with regards to 1888? Watch out, be careful, and don't allow yourselves to be deceived by lying ministers. Mrs. White says that when the message returns, it will again be rejected.


"The Third Angel's message will not be comprehended, the light which will lighten the earth with its glory will be called a false light by those who refuse to walk in its advancing glory..." R.H. 27 May, 1890.


The warning of God to church members is, not to allow yourselves to be deceived by lying leaders who know the truth, but who consciously conceal the facts and twist the evidences to keep the people in subjection to them. Members must be open minded enough to consider the two sides of the issue and then choose where they would stand.


May you make a good choice on the basis of true evidences, in Jesus' holy name. Amen.

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Great post John. Very well done.

Here is another one: "The prejudices and opinions that prevailed at Minneapolis are not dead by any means; the seeds sown there in some hearts are ready to spring into life and bear a like harvest." Testimonies to Ministers, p.467.

So, as it says in a couple of statements you have quoted, when that message is again proclaimed, it will not be comprehended and it will be ridiculed again and the bearers of this message will be called enthusiasts and their message a species of fanaticism, and they will be character assassinated. History will be repeated.

On page 92 of Testimonies to Ministers we are told there what that message is so that no one needs to speculate.

Speaking of this very message, the Holy Spirit says: "It invited the people to receive the righteousness of Christ, which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. Many had lost sight of Jesus. They needed to have their eyes directed to His divine person, His merits, and to His changeless love for the human family. All power is given into His hands, that He may dispense rich gifts unto men, imparting the priceless gift of His own righteousness to the helpless human agent. This is the message that God commanded to be given to the world. It is the third angel's message, which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice, and attended with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in large measure." p.92.

Now in this statement we have the 1888 message. We are to look to Jesus, to His merits, and to His changeless love for the human family. In Manuscript 1, 1889, Mrs. White wrote of "the faith that lays right hold upon the merits of the blood of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring Christ's righteousness into the life."

This is the third angel's message in all its simplicity: Here are they who daily come to God trusting wholly in the merits of a crucified and risen Saviour for their acceptance with God and the result is that they are clothed with the righteousness of Christ which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God.

For "Clothed with the righteousness of Christ and not your own righteousness, you will not depend upon what you can do or what you will do," for "Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything." Manuscript 1, 1889; Manuscript 36,1890.

This is the 1888 message, the third angel's message which God has commanded to be given to the world and which is to be proclaimed with a loud voice and attended with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in large measure.


For "Jesus was treated as we deserve (according to our demerits) that we might be treated as He deserves (according to His merits)." Desire of Ages, p.25 *parenthesis supplied
my pleasure John! :)

The Lord is good and His mercy endures forever!





Hmm... I think the first thing that needs to be established is the author of the post. It is written by "pastor" Nyron Medina - I put the word pastor in inverted commas as he is a "Thusian" pastor. The Thusian Institute for Religious Liberty was founded in Trinidad & Tobago and appears to be headquartered in St. Vincent & Grenadines. Nyron Medina is the Associate Director of T.I.R.L. in Trinidad & Tobago. "Thusians" are described as a "splinter group" or "offshoot" of the SDA Church and were originally known as the "Thusian Seventh-day Adventist church".

There is an ANN story dating back to 1999 here.

The reason that I wanted to establish that fact is because of the rather obvious bias in the post. Throughout the post there are accusations that people are deliberately lying, being deceitful, etc., etc. These assumptions and acusations that people are deliberately out to deceive rather than that they are simply stating an opposite viewpoint to that of the author rings all sorts of alarm bells in my head.

So, IMHO, interesting subject but I am not about to take the word of an offshoot SDA group on this subject because Nyron very obviously has an axe to grind against the church. His accusations are, to be honest, very unchristian. Why assume that the EGW Estate is deliberately lying and conspiring to cover up that most nebulous of objects... "the truth"?

I accept that I may well be perceived as "shooting the messenger" but I am rather concerned that this was posted without acknowedging exactly whose words/thoughts we are reading here. As to the content of the post... no, there are a few too many leaps of faith that are there purely to insult and accuse. As I said, interesting subject but the amount of salt I'm having to take with this cannot be good for my health.
Please note that I did not write, "You may as well throw in Wieland, Sequira, and J & W on the firing squad too!"

The ellipses hide the fact that it was John E Parker who made that statement, not me. I don't even understand what that remark means.
I'm sure you're right... just my paranoia showing :-P
Lol! Of course, now that your original post is gone the entire exchange looks weird... do I have to delete my posts now, as well? I have never deleted a post before... why are you making me start now, waaah!

Hi John

It is easy enough to know that it is rejected, because this is not taught:

"“Repentance a Gift of God

Repentance, as well as forgiveness, is the gift of God through Christ. It is through the influence of the Holy Spirit that we are convicted of sin and feel our need of pardon. None but the contrite are forgiven; but it is the grace of God that makes the heart penitent. He is acquainted with all our weaknesses and infirmities, and He will help us. {FW 38.2}
Some who come to God by repentance and confession, and even believe that their sins are forgiven, still fail of claiming, as they should, the promises of God. They do not see that Jesus is an ever-present Saviour; and they are not ready to commit the keeping of their souls to Him, relying upon Him to perfect the work of grace begun in their hearts. While they think they are committing themselves to God, there is a great deal of self-dependence. There are conscientious souls that trust partly to God and partly to themselves. They do not look to God, to be kept by His power, but depend upon watchfulness against temptation and the performance of certain duties for acceptance with Him. There are no victories in this kind of faith. Such persons toil to no purpose; their souls are in continual bondage, and they find no rest until their burdens are laid at the feet of Jesus. {FW 38.3}
There is need of constant watchfulness and of earnest, loving devotion, but these will come naturally when the soul is
kept by the power of God through faith. We can do nothing, absolutely nothing, to commend ourselves to divine favor. We must not trust at all to ourselves or to our good works; but when as erring, sinful beings we come to Christ, we may find rest in His love. God will accept every one that comes to Him trusting wholly in the merits of a crucified Saviour. Love springs up in the heart. There may be no ecstasy of feeling, but there is an abiding, peaceful trust. Every burden is light; for the yoke which Christ imposes is easy. Duty becomes a delight, and sacrifice a pleasure. The path that before seemed shrouded in darkness becomes bright with beams from the Sun of Righteousness. This is walking in the light as Christ is in the light. {FW 38.4}”

" “The Power of the Will

The tempted one needs to understand the true force of the will. This is the governing power in the nature of man--the power of decision, of choice. Everything depends on the right action of the will. Desires for goodness and purity are right, so far as they go; but if we stop here, they avail nothing. Many will go down to ruin while hoping and desiring to overcome their evil propensities. They do not yield the will to God. They do not choose to serve Him. {MH 176.1}
God has given us the power of choice; it is ours to exercise. We cannot change our hearts, we cannot control our thoughts, our impulses, our affections. We cannot make ourselves pure, fit for God's service. But we can choose to serve God, we can give Him our will; then He will work in us to will and to do according to His good pleasure. Thus our whole nature will be brought under the control of Christ. {MH 176.2}”

Take Care


Hello anyone, I need to establish these quotes - but I can not find the statement in Letter 106 can someone guide me to is?

The problem is when they Quote EGW they do not do it word for word and it becomes nigh on impossible to track the quote down, I have had a look for it but I am short on time so I leave you with the page from the site and maybe you can find it.


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