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I came across one person here who claims Adam was created with two sexes? 

What do you say about this? I find it Just as creative as the catholic church coming up with futurism and preterism. 

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"I came across one person here who claims Adam was created with two sexes? 

What do you say about this? I find it Just as creative as the catholic church coming up with futurism and preterism."

You are misrepresenting what was said and furthermore give no reference.

Stop being a misleading jerk.

So i will write it out for you once more very clearly and use scripture to do so and you can safe your humanism and catholicism and other garbage claims to yourself if you can not use scripture.

First you claimed that something like "Transgender" or "Intersex" is not of God which is a wrong claim because it is no matter how you stand towards these issues just as much part of Creation such as short-eyed persons or other "defects" are. Nowhere in the bible you will find a listing which states that x or y is not of Gods children because he or she is too "defective".

Now lets examine Genesis 1 and Genesis 2:

Genesis 1 gives an overview of the creation and in Genesis 1:26-27 we find the creation of mankind or אדם.

Genesis 2 repeats the story from verse 7 on where it states: “The LORD God fashioned אדם of dust”.

Genesis 2:18 clearly states that from Gen 2:7 till Gen 2:21 אדם was alone or a single entity.

In Genesis 2:21-22 God creates Eve from the "rib" of אדם.

So as you notice the word אדם is an important part of the creation story. אדם has 3 distinctive meanings in Hebrew.

1) Mankind / Humanity. As in the race as a whole or all human beings.

2) Male or Man. As in one side of the gender binary system

3) Adam. As in a specific person, proper noun.

Genesis 1:26-27 reads:

26 And God said, Let us make אדם in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created אדם in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

As you can see from the text already this reference of אדם refers to mankind or humanity as a whole. So both genders are created in the image of God.

Genesis 2:7 reads: 

And the Lord God formed אדם of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and אדם became a living soul.

Nothing here in this text states that there is one distinctive gender present as we have already seen that in Genesis 1:27 אדם was created both male and female.

It might be "easy" to claim 1 gender right away but nothing in the text says that until Genesis 2:21-22

Genesis 2:21-22 reads:

21 So the Lord God caused the אדם to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the אדם  צלע and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the צלע he had taken out of the אדם , and he brought her to the אדם .

Now here we have the clear creation of genders itself and a clear act. The so popular "rib" is actually the Hebrew word צלע which translates always into side and never into rib but in this instance.

So if we read this not with the translation we can see that there was no gender distinction prior to Genesis 2:21-22 and that God took one side of Genesis 2:7 being and formed male and female.

This is repeated over and over again throughout scripture. Genesis 5:1-2 refers as well to singular human being created in the image of God both male and female. 

Furthermore if you declare the "human being" of Genesis 2:7 to be a male only person you would automatically exclude female from being created in Gods image as female came after 2:7 but it is included in Gods image.

Lastly and back to the original claim of yours:

If both male and female are created in the image of God which clearly no matter what you think of Gen 2:7 entity nobody denies. God himself is both male and female as in has "both" or "no gender" distinction.

So explain to me how Transgender or Intersex which literally means having both genders can after your claim NOT be part of Gods creation for being "too defective"? After scripture Gods image is including both genders male and female.

Now have a nice day and stop misleading people and maybe start to question your own perceptions first before claiming things.

Regards

p.s: Oh and just for your information i am hardly the only one saying this you can go back to the oldest Hebrew scholars from the Talmud and you will find centuries of texts and explanation exactly declaring that.

It is just nicer to hear for english ears to use distinctive gender pronouns in the translation but this is not present in the Hebrew texts hence where the "Myths" come from today.

Misleading that is your special Gift your post did not make any sense at all Besides you neatly makes two into one perhaps that is because it says that God created them Male and female means two not one. 

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 

So what you are saying now is in Genesis 2:7 God actually created two beings?

Now who is misleading....

Can not have it both ways as אדם is always the same word with the same 3 meanings and it is the grammar which determines the meaning.

You can belief what you want but trust me i am right on this one. 

 

This however has nothing to do with the topic which sparked this whole discussion and i am bored and tired of your twisting around just to be further discriminative and ignorant.

Regards.

So Manuela we have according to you one person created in Gen. 1 and in Gen 2 God finally created 2. Did you know that Genesis 2 is a expansion on the creation story in Gen. 1 Not two seperate accounts as you have it. 

Didnt say that keep trying

But you did you insist on shifting Gen. 1:28 outside the garden of Eden Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 

God created Human kind Perfect it says as well as the rest of creation. You are telling me that God created Adam with two sexes and later God repented and take away one and created Eve. Newer fully understand how you see Eve was created. Let me assure you any of Gods creation was perfrect God does not make mistakes ever. 

Did not say that either

Keep trying you might get it someday.

Just consider this for a change:

If both male and female are in the image of God and both genders have to be there it make no sense to declare a Gen. 2:7 entity to be male gender exclusively as the Gen 2:7 entity was created in the perfect image of God which includes both male and female.

Nowhere did i ever state that God made an error or that creation was imperfect. Quite the opposite. To have perfection in the image of God both male and female are needed and not just one. So following your logic the creation was flawed from Genesis 2:7 till Genesis 2:21-22 and God fixed that imperfection a few hours after Gen 2:7 entity was created? Or would you claim now that God is only and exclusively of male gender?

Maybe you are leaping onto something because of an english pronoun which is not even present in Hebrew... Ever thought of that?

Regards

p.s.: Lastly you never explained and just keep derailing how you explain your claim that transgender and intersex person are not of Gods creation or not of Gods childs? Is there a list in scripture what kind of "imperfection" is acceptable still and what kind is not anymore to be part of Gods children or creation?

Manuela said:

p.s.: Lastly you never explained and just keep derailing how you explain your claim that transgender and intersex person are not of Gods creation or not of Gods childs? Is there a list in scripture what kind of "imperfection" is acceptable still and what kind is not anymore to be part of Gods children or creation?

Did I really say that if I really did maybe you can show me please so I can recant. 

Yes I admit you did not say that God made a Mistake. But the way you reasoning if one can call it that. Clearly left it open to that understanding 

Did I say that the Female is not in the image of God? you better show me 

You are the one insisting that God created one human with two sexes. I am only trying to say that is not possible. That goes against everything that the Bible says about human relations Including Jesus. 

So the use of the word mankind or man to describe humankind is like the Hebrew version of LGBTA?  lol

Adam was created as a male. Period.  In Gensis 2, which expounds on a time period in chapter one, Adam while naming the animals saw male and female but not his counterpart (Genesis 2:20). So God created Eve.  Maybe chapter 2 should have started at verse four to make it clearer that chapter one is the overview but now in chapter two, we get more details.  

God created Eve on Friday, not long after He created Adam.  Why would He create Adam as having two sexes, then later that day create Eve and remake Adam as only a male?  That makes no sense.  In Gensis 2:22, God brings her to Adam.  Her a woman brought to him a man.  Seems pretty clear to me.

Second thought, how do you know that God is both male and female in form?  Trying to figure out where that comes from.  Jesus now has the form of a male so I assume that isn't in question but that you are referring to God the Father, not sure how you call Him if you believe He is both genders.  To be created in His image as a woman (which I am) does not require God to be a female.  I have traits that I inherited from my earthly father, a male.  Can I not have been created in the image of God and it not be a requirement for God to be the same sex as I am?  Even if God does have a form that incorporates both sexes (which I don't believe), He still created the human Adam as a male and Eve as a female.  No sense to the theory that God made Adam both, then created Eve female and changed Adam to a male at that time.  And the Bible is clear that those distinctions into male and female occurred before the Fall.

And in case someone thinks I am judgmental towards those who are both male and female, I would like to tell you that every day and most nights, a neighbor boy/man lives here.  He is 23 but mentally more a teen.  He is genetically male and female but identifies and has more characteristics of a male.  Due to his condition, he doesn't have the desire for sexual relationships so that doesn't impact his life.

He calls me mom and my husband dad.  He is a loving, caring person.  He is an immense help to my family with me being handicapped.  He will probably never have a normal adult relationship and family but that doesn't make him less of a person deserving of our love and God's love.  Sin damaged our world and our genes.  Only at the second coming will those imperfections be repaired, according to God's wisdom.  My nearsighted eyes, my weak body, my "son's" damaged body and mind.  He is a happy person that doesn't seem to care about not having the life I wish for him.  I wish I could accept life that way.  To be content with what I have been given.

Thank you DJ for bringing in some common sense to this discussion, like you I believe the straight forward account of the bible. As for God being a female I do not believe that to be true as Manuela claims. Did not Jesus refer to God the Father Apostle Paul also refer to God as Father. 

God Created all the Higher animals with two sexes it is only the lover creation like snails and worms that is created with multiple sexes. So question arises why would God go back to the lower order when creating Man who after all was created in the image of God? Was snails and worms created in the image of God? Manuela has lost all semblance of logic it seems.  

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