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We have the HOLY SPIRIT and the ANGELS. why not the HOLY SPIRIT alone or the ANGELS alone? what is the role of the HOLY SPIRIT and of the ANGELS?

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Mercy P Seventh Day Adventist should not be referring to the Godhead as the  Trinity. Trinity means three, the Godhead means one.

Leslie

 

Please check your dictionary on this.  The word "trinity" means "three in one."  Some people get all hung up on this because the Catholics use the term.  But the Catholics also use the terms: "God," "Jesus Christ," "Mary," "heaven," etc.  Should we also elimintate all of these words too?  Just because the Catholics use a legitimate word is no sign that we should not.

 

Happy Sabbath!

 

Maranatha :)
Ray

Ray

I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I prefer to follow the Word of God, I have searched for the word Trinity in the Word, and have not found it, but I did find Godhead. I prefer to use Godhead meaning one because it is a "Thus saith the Word."

 


Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.


 

Pleasant sabbath

Search for the word 'investigative judgment' in the Bible. That doesnt come up either.

Neither does homoousios...

please check these links:

http://www.enjoying-the-spirit-filled-life.com/

http://www.infinitesacrifice.net/the-great-sacrifice-of-the-incarna...

http://omega77.tripod.com/AAAEXP.htm

I hope you find what is the key issue in our lives, Christ's love and only saviour!!!

Cardin

 

The two types of messengers are similar, but also different.  Both are doing their assigned job in the plan of Salvation.  Also, they both are working with humans to help them come to a closer knowledge of God.  However, there are some important differences too.

 

ANGELS

Angels could be compared to:  Delivery boys - delivering vengence on the wicked and blessings on the righteous.

  1. Security guards, par excellence, to hold back the evil ones.
  2. Messengers between heaven and earth.

They are created beings, actually a little lower then human beings in that they have not been given the ability to pro-create and as a result give life to other free moral agents.  However, in contrast to humans, they have proven their loyalty to God and human beings as a group have not.  So, they are sent to help those human beings who have shown their loyalty to God, and cooperate with the Holy Spirit is working with those who are still undeceided.

 

HOLY SPIRIT

 

The Holy Spirit, is part of the Godhead.  As the third member of the Godhead, He, like the Father and Jesus has life in Himself.  As such, He is able to understand and know the hearts of human beings much better then angels can know.  So, when someone seeks to choose Jesus as their Savior, the Holy Spirit searches their heart to see if in fact they are genuine in that commitment.  If they are, they are predestined to become just like Jesus.  See ROmans 8:26-30. 

 

Knowing what is in our hearts, apparently, is not something the angels can do.  While, like the evil angels, they can study our expressions and note the slightest body language we experess to be able to have a very good guess as to what is in our heart, they do not have the ability to actually know like the Holy Spirit is able to do.

 

So, both have their roles to play and they work together for our salvation.

 

Marantha :)
Ray

 

MsMS

 

The Bible says:

    "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour." Psalm 8:5 (KJV) 

Here we have a sad mistranslation of a key Hebrew word.  The word translated here as "angels" is the Hebrew word: Elohiym


 


'elohiym, el-o-heem'; plural of Hebrew 433 ('elowahh); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative :- angels, × exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), × (very) great, judges, × mighty. Hebrew 430, Strong’s "


 

Elohiym is the plural of El, or the primary name of God.  So, the translation of: "a little lower then the angels" should read: "a little lower then God."  The New American Standard Bible, long considered as one of the most accuarate of the translations reads in this way.

"Yet Thou hast made him a little lower than God, And dost crown him with glory and majesty!"  PSA 8:5  NASB

 "Thou hast made him for a little while lower than the angels; Thou hast crowned him with glory and honor, And hast appointed him over the works of Thy hands;
[8] Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. "For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him.
[9] But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone."  HEB 2:7-9 NASB

Here in the Greek, it is correctly translated as the Greek word is: "aggelos," or Angels.


When man was first made, he was given more aspects of God than the angels had been given.  For one primary purpose, it was to repopulate heaven after 1/3 of the angels defected to Satan.  However, when man choose to become a servant of Satan, then mankind fell to a position lower then the angels, just like Jesus took on a role that was lower than the angels. 

 

As for the quote you presented.  Ellen White was not a scholar and she just used the references she had to work with as they were written.  So, when she quotes a text from the Bible, we are obligated to take the meaning of the text as the Bible intended it to be used. 

 

Non-the-less, in a way man was a little lower then the angels in that until they proved their loyalty to God, they could not have access to all their potential.  However, their potential was that of being  a little lower then God.

 

Ellen White is not an expositor of the Bible, but a lessor light pointing to the greater light.  That greater light still must be the last word on any topic.

 

Happy Sabbath!

 

Maranatha :)
Ray


 

the light is becoming visible now. what about the protection part? who is doing the protection?

Cardin

 

While in the Bible, only the angels are commissioned to destruction and protection, I can only suspect that the Holy Spirit also protects us in a special way.  This is hinted at in Romans 8.   However, His protection would be more on the spiritual level, not as much the physical.  However, I am not aware of anything in either the Bible or Ellen White's writings that speaks of the Holy Spirit having a role in protection as is commonly understood.  That job is assigned to the angels.

 

One of the many times that I have experienced that protection was when I was operating a piece of earth moving equipment.  I had stopped to get off.  On that particular machine, one had to climb over the bucket to get off.  There was a steel handhold to pull oneself up out of the driver's compartment and to hold onto as you stepped down onto the bucket.  I pulled myself up and swung out to step down.  But, as I did, while my hand was still holding tight, suddenly there was nothing in my hand.  As I fell right over the end of the bucket, I thought to my self: "This is going to really hurt!!!"  However, instead of crashing down on that steel edge, I landed about 2 or 3 feet away in the soft dirt.  To this day I cannot explained why at one second I was holding the handhold and the next it was not there in my hand.  However, I am sure that it was my angel who moved me away from that sharp edge of the bucket.  Had I fallen on that, it would most likely have been fatal.  So, I praise God for the angelic protection.  Just another of a whole string of similar incidents, so numerous that I do not even remember all of them.

 

Maranatha :)
Ray

 

 

Everybody has three angels a recording angel, a guardian angel and a ministering angel. They carry out the function described to their names. The Holy Spirit is the person who teaches you and guides you into all truth.
Where did you get tha Leslie?

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