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What do Conservative, Proggressive, and Liberal Adventists Have in Common?”

They are disgruntled.

Without quoting any of the ongoing debates on the myraids of forums our church has for people to stage their theological spats [they are easy enough to find by Googling "proggressive adventist" "conservative adventist" or "liberal adventist" and seeing what pops up] I have found the more someone goes out of their way to be associated with one of these titles, the more disgruntled they are.

To me, the labels of liberal, conservative, and proggressive really don’t represent so much a theological position as much as they do a theological reaction.

If someone grows up in a legalistic setting with the label conservative then the label of “liberal” represents freedom of that oppressive religious experience they had int he past. I find a lot of ex-Adventists suffer from this. They had a repressive church, school, or family experience that causes them to write off the entire faith using phrases like “being set free from Adventism” etc. Whereas many of us don’t feel that way at all because that hasn’t been our experience.

In his book, Sex God, Rob Bell points out that whenever someone says they have been burned by an institution his first question is always “What was the person’s name?”

Like wise many people, new converts especially, drift towards conservativism because their life “in the world” was more liberal, and they sensed perhaps they were out of control and they crave rules and boundaries and the stricter the better. What I find interesting is many of what my friend calls “neo-conservative” movements such as GYC appeal to so many because my parents generation, who grew up perhaps in a more conservative setting, don’t practice their faith in such rigid terms–and perhaps even in liberal terms–and now their kids react to it.

Proggressive Adventists are still a mystery to me. I don’t quite classify them as liberal, so much as seekers of deeper understandings…or at least different understandings of traditional methodologies and interpretations because they have burned by previous ones. I found myself, or rather a chapter of a best selling book I wrote, the subject of one blogger’s wrath on a proggressive Adventist site. They made some interesting points, and some ones I felt missed the point; but what fascinated me is that I read this person’s of two more books, on opposite ends of the spectrum from each other, and they panned both of em. What was telling to me, is where I found the author endorsing their own writing–which is a pitfall of many folks who carry theological baggage. The pitfall of “no one knows what they are talking about but me.” And the more this happens, the more I find people getting into heated arguments, demonizing others, and sadly making less and less sense–and less and less impact.

Now let me clarify that I think debate is healthy and neccessary, but as I read what people post online it seems to me that it isn’t so much a seeking after truth in a dialogue so much as destroying the other side by picking them apart.

This a re-posted discussion from 2009, I thought it would be interesting to hear current responses to this issue.

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yes exactly!

why do people comment on things they dont know about

nylons are warm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oops maybe Ian Poulsen

tried them on when it was really really cold and the blood circulation was poor combined with having no insulating gap of air on  hair on legs?

any drag queen can tell you they sweat on the catwalk

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'I wondered how girls and women kept warm and they told me that even though the fabric looks sheer, it holds air close to the skin and blocks colder air out.' David Bowles

What do conservative, progressive, and liberal Adventists have in common?   They like to talk about pantyhose!

What do conservative, progressive, and liberal Adventists have in common?   They like to talk about pantyhose!

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lol Lindy

 ........ and wearing them!

its all making sense now

# in fashion of today u don't see pantyhose

next topic ...

GARTERS !

lol MFG,     Good comeback. Garters were uncomfortable. Lets see if anyone else here will admit to having worn them.

For men, maybe it's suspenders.  Next up, spats!  or perhaps Zoot suits.

For men, maybe it's suspenders.  Next up, spats!  or perhaps Zoot suits.

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lol not that long ago i was sharing about Zoot suits with a friend of mine at church

and i love spats

though i dont own any

Und lederhosen.

LOL!

"Like wise many people, new converts especially, drift towards conservativism because their life “in the world” was more liberal, and they sensed perhaps they were out of control and they crave rules and boundaries and the stricter the better. "

That is so true of my experience.   

I am not certain, but I do not think liberals go door to door as bible workers, but if one had I would have booted them out my door and never have come to be an Adventist.   I just cannot relate to worldly attitudes that had failed and wrecked my life up to that point and that is all I see when I see a liberal Adventist teaching.    Rob Bell just creeps me out as just another new age guru from California.    What is interesting is that I have a cousin who teaches Yoga, is into new age teachings and socialism.   Much of what he says differs very little from what comes out of the Liberal mindset.  

My contention is not to be in any of these camps.   Why not just be a follower of Jesus rather than a "liberal, conservative, and proggressive".   Why not pray to God for the wisdom to see things as God would have you see them.  

Most of the problem I think is that liberals and some progressives is that they have not removed themselves from the Cities as advised and that their lives are caught up with so much crud and grime, much like Lot was.  Going to movies,  social media,  hanging out with and trying to impress Godless friends.  

But Lot, confused and terrified, pleaded that he could not do as he was required lest some evil should overtake him and he should die. Living in that wicked city, in the midst of unbelief, his faith had grown dim. The Prince of heaven was by his side, yet he pleaded for his own life as though God, who had manifested such care and love for him, would not still preserve him. He should have trusted himself wholly to the divine Messenger, giving his will and his life into the Lord's hands without a doubt or a question. But like so many others, he endeavored to plan for himself: "Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: O, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live." The city here mentioned was Bela, afterward called Zoar. It was but a few miles from Sodom, and, like it, was corrupt and doomed to destruction. But Lot asked that it might be spared, urging that this was but a small request; and his desire was granted. The Lord assured him, "I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken." Oh, how great the mercy of God toward His erring creatures!  pg 161

When people live simple and pastoral lives and spend more time in nature in a rural setting a common sense settles and a person becomes much more in tune with what Gods character is like rather than trying be in tune with group-think and social standing. 

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