Does it mean we are to be cold hearted to the one that gives us a gift and love the gift but ignore the one that gives it? I been told the goats are those that expect to be thanked for giving something and I do not agree. .
, who can shed more light on this saying? The way I see it as put in scriptures and magnified we show our love by giving and by showing our appreciation .
I have learned that it means that when I give or do something for somebody I should not divulge it or tell about it to anyone to gain the confidence, respect, or any other credit for myself; or on the other hand to destroy the reputation of the recipient of my good deed.
HMMM LET ME SEE . are their not other passages that can explain this in easier terms to understand?. We all are different in giving according to our love and to what is show offish to one is just love practices to another in how I see it./
IF I am investing in the life of a loved one or loved ones am I not to expect an return on my investment? WHEN IS THE love You show also to be returned? I am reminded of the time Jesus was invited to eat at a certain pharisees dinner and a unexpected n univited guest showed up too and opened a Alabaster box containing expensive perfume and annointed his feet an head along with her tears and dried his feet with her hair..
Judas complained openly of the waste of money but THE pharisee in his mind was thinking this woman was such a sinner and should J esus not know of this too and should she not be rebuked ? .
THEN Jesus perceiving that he needed an abject lesson that would soften his heart told the parable of 2 sinners that owed a great sum of money to a king both were forgiven of their debt and jesus asked which one would be the more happy and show their appreciation?. He answered back Isuppose theone the owed the most and Jesus replied yes well Ientered your home and noone was available to wash my feet and yet this woman has non stopped showered me with anonitment both to my feet and my head. .. IT was a silent rebuke that the pharisee had been cured of his affliction and should of shown more grace and this poor sinner also was showing her love openly and mercy was needed and taht is far better than legalisim yes or no?
I am paraphrasing here a wee bit I now but somehow in my mind it fits Nuff sed!
Thank you Yokey!, I'm totally with you. I just happen to like the stirring question of Br. Murray, but didn't have the time to elaborate as you have done it. You have given very good biblical examples and over all a very clear exposition. Yes, most of the time we get hurt when we are not apreciated by our good deeds.and that's the reason why we have to remember the experience of Jesus with the ten leppers to accept with humility the lack of grattitude of the other nine. It's the only way to comfort ourselves when that happen to us too.
OK I want to elaborate a bit further . their a couple tha t b e in a relationship and the fiance had been supporting his lady. now the y intend to marry and the expense to have his woman be with him is high with all the medical tests etc. , IN AMERICA U HAVE TO PAY A LAWYER AND THE GOVERMENT i been through this process myself. EXCUSE ME but where does showing your love and appreciation for the sacrffices made come in at or is none applicable>>?? I remember many times in the bible and yes the ten lepers is just 1 example of non appreciation from those that should of known better., WE ALSO HAVE MARY MAGDELINE WHO HAD FALLEN INTO PROTISTUTION A number of times and her gratitude was clearly a unique example of gratitude and praise. ARE WE TOO PROUD TODAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOMEONES GENOROUSITY TOWARDS US TODAY AND SAY OH IT WAS NO BIG DEAL ?
King DAVID MADE A promise to show kindness an favor to johnathans kin methphiboseth who was a cripple and DAVID Gave him aspecial place of reconition eating at the kings table and also gave to him land and servants to care for it .
IS GRATITUDE TODAY AND SHOWING THANKS SO HARD FOR MANY TODAY? IS NOT INGRATITUDE A SIN THEN? I am reminded also of luicifer highly exalted among the angels and adored and yet he wanted more . appreciation for what he was given was not enough was it .?
. oh 1 more example do u remember Naman the leper the syrian captain of the kings army? HE WANTED TO GIVE ELIJAQH CASH FOR HIS HEALING AND IT WA S REFUSED , . MAY I add that we enjoy getting things today but how is it genuine appreciation is not seen as it should be ?/ .
yes I now I guilty of negligence of not showing genuine appreciation for all Christ has done for me too much more than I have,
I'm sorry Br. Murray if my opinion made you decide that I support the ungrateful and proud. That was not my point. In fact, I;m with you when it comes to acknowledge in gratitude the good deeds of the others. I'm with you when you compare the ungrateful to have a proud attitude. I also do not aproved their ingratitude. They should acknoledge the giver!!!. I hope you don't think that now I'm contradicting myself. I 'm also with you in labeling this attiude to Lucifer. And I' ll go further in saying that such people who are ungrateful are on the side of the enemy(Lucifer). But we as children of God are advice to not let the right hand know what the left hand is doing. In other words we should not broadcast the good deeds we are doing( unless when necessary); for by doing it we my be a stumbling block to others( they might think we are showing off). We must remember that whatever we do in secret God will expose it to public at the right time.
it no big deal see? who actually cares today anyway? I once remember the Adventist church being called the caring church and it seems today it has changed and instead of caring and sharing today it become stuck in 3 patterns 1 of fomalisim stuck in the ways in which u were vrought up a form of religion that does not bother to search and grow up spiritually the other may be called legalisim recite scriptures etc and stick to the vegatarian diet which is healthy for sure but by an in itself wont save anyone, the 3 rd pattern I may of made up in my mind but maybe it all to prevelant its sinful habits of the past u have not entirely found victory in so being a effective witness is not strong and holds little power too, l am thinking maybe a change of direction is not needed in your way of seeing it?
The sheep and the goats . wheat an tears oh my , Never mind Sir JUlio I am nobody just thinking out loud here , WHEN it comes to weiting in the Forum I never give ny opinion I seek to see what is wwritten instead. I know I am not in a position where I can say others need to listen ,, .
naybe ingratitude is the more prevelant than is easily seen an I just do not want this sin to be recorded next ro my name .. LOOK backwards brothers an d sisters at times in your life when others helped u out when u really needed it how did u show your gratitude then??
I think what the original poster had in mind was not the question of acknowledging the fact that somebody has helped you, but instead the one who is giving the help broadcasting the knowledge of his actions. e..g. giving large sums of money in a public way like the Pharisees who poured lots of money into the treasury, making sure that everybody was watching them.
Saying "Thank you for helping me in my time of need, brother, and may the Lord reward and bless you!" is quite different from "Look at me! I'm making a generous donation! And I fully expect to be recognized for it, and have the project named after me, and sit on the board and have a say in how the work is to be conducted!"
Anyway, on a lighter note, the phrase "let not your right hand know what your left is doing" is one scripture which constantly comes into my mind when I am practicing the piano. ;-)
yes Iam well aware of the pretentious attitude of the Pharisees in giving money and being reconized for it.. . I agree that this is phony but in what Iam refering too is when u sacrifice for family and go out of your way to provide for their needs even at the hardship of your own expense is this being selfish to expect gratitude instead of being ignored?
where does gratitude and genuine love come into place for those that do this in our lives repeatily and yet many are walked on and is said u are not to expect anyhthing back for you are to give and not let the right hand know what the left hand be doing??
In my mind I SEE it as it is selfishness self centered and ungrateful for all the love someone has showed. Iam thinking backwards in time at this moment too at my youth a nd what I took for granted and todays world is far worse even in those growing up in the Church and being spiritually fed daily .. why is it that they seem to have such a ungrateful attitude then those in the world?
Those in the world sometimes are more equipped to show gratefulness then those that are supposed to know more. IT simply amazes me at how scriptures are used today t o cover up ingratitude, / SORRY that is how I am seeing it !
Is it possible to be in Lov ewith Christ andbe or have ungratefulness to those that show time after time their love for your well being? ARE hearts growing colder and our reasoning also ?/