Where is the United States in bible History?
Some have sought to find the United States in bible prophecy and often point to Revelation 13:11 in doing so.
I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
But how do we know this is the United States, does the bible lead us to this conclusion or is it just speculation? In order to know this is or is not the United States, one must know the United States historical biblical roots. There are no new human beings and people don’t just fall out of the sky.
The nations of the world, the people of the world are all in the bible. Some are known to us today by their names of the bible. However, some nations of the world today are not known today by their biblical name. For example, the Ammonites of the bible are the Jordanian, Amman being their chief city.
Who were the Ammonites? In the Bible, they are described as being descendants of Ben-ammi, who was the son of Lot (Abraham’s nephew) and Lot’s younger daughter (Genesis 19:38). The capital of the Iron Age kingdom of Ammon was Rabbah, which is located at modern-day Amman, Jordan.
There are no new human beings in the world, so the history of people who established what is now called the United States must have historical roots in the bible. When speaking of the beasts found in Daniel 7, the Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible says they are “…compared to "beasts", because of the rapine and violence, cruelty, oppression, and tyranny, by which they were obtained, setup, supported, and maintained…”
The beast of Revelation 13 coming up out of the earth is defined as such, it is a beast, having two horn like a lamb and speaking like a dragon. It is not disguised as something else but is what it is seen as. Daniel chapter seven also show all the beasts that will exist until the end of time, the four great beasts and the little horn beast: notice Daniel 7:11.
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
The beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Just as Revelation 17:16 fulfills.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
The bible identifies four great beasts and it identifies another beast: the little horn beast. The United States cannot be identified as a beast, unless we can know its historical biblical identity, mere speculation will not suffice.
Gene said I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
But how do we know this is the United States, does the Bible lead us to this conclusion, or is it just speculation?
Typical W H Armstrong thinking If you read Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Can you see the difference between the two? One came out of the waters the other came out of the earth. The waters are in revelation Peoples. So if you use the brain God gave you coming out of the earth would by necessity be a sparsely populated place. America fits the bill. And the United States is part of America.
President Trump is like Cyrus, GOD is using Him to "Drain the swamp"....
Is any of the world waking up? Getting ready to fix their salvation on Jesus?
Or are we going to let some world wide virus rob our constitutional freedoms?
America plays a pivotal role in the world stage. Listen up people, so you are not deceived.
We are nears the doors of the end of time, the final scenes are rapid ones.
Get out of Babylon, Scripture says...that means live out in the country, not the cities of Babylon.
Otherwise you will receive of her plagues. The most current one right now is a world wide virus.
Behold I come quickly.
Yes Rob I agree with your sentiments. Although I see Trump as a total disaster for the once most powerful nation now they are a poor second to China and perhaps even Rusia. He is a man who likes to live in the past apart from being a criminal and a tax dodger. A loudmouth braggart with very little substance.
Sometimes I wonder how America is going to do the enforcing that the bible tells it will do?
You have totally misunderstood Trump.
I suggest you watch certain U Tube videos.
This is a good introduction to the subject:
It mentions conspiracy and SDA people many times. The letter Q in Ancient Hebrew means "over the horizon, beyond" or "the unknown". Hebrew people had an entire letter for things they could not understand. It's called Q. Some say Robert Kennedy never died, but faked his death to escape the Masons. Be careful my friend, the wars of good and evil are very secret and real.
It's near impossible to find any truthful links on the Internet, rubbish abounds. Take the above one with a grain of salt... My wife is a group to special videos and more in the know. We are awash with false and true information, the real public are clashed with junk news. Hence why you see the things you see. Your meant to. Nothing in the news is to be trusted. Scripture says the lamb speaks like a dragon in the end times, even the elect could be also deceived.
Trump said once He was going to "drain the swamp" what does this mean? The deep state people hate him, and want to assassinate him, since God is with him. He is removing many bad things, and holding off the one world order. God is giving us a wake up call, one last chance before earth slides into ruin...the 4 winds are soon to blow, and Jesus is soon to return... Shalom
Thanks for your reply Rob, do I understand you are saying Trump is a good President? If so I do not agree. I am aware of some behind the curtain is pulling strings. And clearly Trump is giving the Pentecostals a leg up. And as I understand it it is from where we will see the lamblike beast starting to speak as a dragon. EGW talks about two kinds of trouble the lesser kind and finally the 7 plagues. One SDA writer suggests that these troubles are on a sliding scale. meaning they will increase in severity. I agree that the four winds will soon blow but before that, we are yet to see the loud cry of Rev. 18.
PS do you think the guy holding up that Large Q knows what it really means?
This is not about President Trump as the post asked the question, where is the United States in bible History? In bible prophecy, many points to Revelation 13:11, but where in the pages of the bible can we find the United States as we are do find some of the other modern nations?
I agree that America plays a pivotal role in the world stage as it became a world power in the mid 1800’s and the world’s leading superpower after WWII in leading the allied nations in defeating Nazis/Fascism, the sixth head of Roman empire beast, and to become the leader of the free world. It does seem it is removing itself away from this noted role as some news article suggest.
…It is necessary to take into account the fact that the tendency to create European own armed forces has become more and more apparent in the European Union. Thus, French President Emanuel Macron, speaking to representatives of the French diplomatic corps, noted that Europe should not “so much” rely on the United States in ensuring its own defense and security. As a result – tension between the EU and the US is increasing. In turn, this gives a chance for a constructive and business dialogue between Russia and European countries. https://balticword.eu/independent-europe-depends-on-the-us/
Trump called Germany “very bad” for selling too many cars in the US and attacked Nato allies for spending too little on defence. Merkel, who is in the middle of an election campaign, told a party rally in Germany on Sunday that “the last few days” had taught her that the EU could no longer “depend” on the US or the UK. https://euobserver.com/foreign/138049
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has suggested Donald Trump has made it difficult for her country and others in Europe to depend on the U.S.
Speaking after the close of the G7 summit, which saw all the world leaders involved except Trump recommitting to the Paris climate deal, Merkel said the time to rely on others was "somewhat over."
"We Europeans must really take our destiny into our own hands," Merkel said at an event in Bavaria, in comments carried by The Independent. https://www.newsweek.com/angela-merkel-suggests-germany-cant-count-...
The United States under Donald Trump is slowly a weak undependable nation, this will only give rise to another power prophesied to come about.
International Standard Version:
The beast that you saw existed once, but is no longer, and is going to crawl out of the bottomless pit and then proceed to its destruction.
If Trump is like Cyrus. What would you say about Biden who is coming to "Save the Soul of America" or his Allies in Local/Globalist "progressive" Governments using a "deadly" pandemic to restrict religious gatherings and crush freedom of speech like the Australian woman Zoe Buhler who wanted to peacefully protest while obeying the fear mongering social distancing rules.
Poor Zoe Buhler from Australia
Bidens here to save the soul of America
Elijah said, So if you use the brain God gave you coming out of the earth would by necessity be a sparsely populated place.
The brains though powerful can play tricks on us, in lieu of factual knowledge the brain will fill in the gap with whatever one chose to accept. So, I asked how does one know this is the United States? Where is the biblical facts other than the speculative points that are usually interjected? Does the bible define the earth? No. Does it define what the sea is? No, it does not.
John states, And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea…
He says the very same thing that Daniel said he saw:
Daniel declared: “In my vision in the night I looked, and suddenly the four winds of heaven were churning up the Great Sea. 3Then four great beasts came up out of the sea, each one different from the others:…
The bible does define water as people, but it is not in reference to the beast but to the whore which are two different beast characters in the bible
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Notice it says the waters which thou sawest. What waters? Well we must go back the Revelation 17:1
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Here we have a great whore that sits upon many waters which are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. But where does it come from. Historically speaking it came out of the Roman Empire which itself was a beast. So, when John says he saw another beast coming up out the earth he could have very well been speaking of this innocent looking beast having two horn like a lamb.
This seems more plausible unless of course we can find the United States historically in the bible before it rise out of the earth, then we will know unequivocally.
I do not understand your post Gene. Perhaps you would be kind to tell me what you see as coming out of the earth means to you.
Well Gene, tell us who the beast power out of the earth is?
Doesn't the SOP talk about this? Have you not consulted the Hebrew translator?
Thanks for the reply Elijah... views on Trump is a difficult one.
Try this video link to Dr Simone Gold
She says with Cov strain 1 and strain 2, that way back in 2005, they used HydroChloroquine
to stop COV strain 1 in its tracks, and Facqui the head of FDC knew this. Later in January France took this drug off public list, 2 months before Cov19 attack happened. Now months latter Facqui of FDC say HydroChloroquine does not work, when it clearly does. The world public is being duped.
As for videos on Q, such things are difficult in the public world of the Internet.
I suggest you watch the video on Dr Simone Gold, before all evidence is removed.
As for Gene's comment, all this has heaps to do with USA role in world stage and history right now. Wake up everybody...
Elijah perhaps this will answer both you and Rob’s question.
“Coming up out of the earth” does not mean anything other than it is how John describes the Roman Church beast coming onto the world scene.
Then I saw another [i.e., a second] beast coming up from the earth. He had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.
Daniel on the other hand, seeing all the beasts that were to emerge described it almost in the same way.
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: (Dan. 7:8)
Coming up, came up denotes the same meaning. The International Standard Version uses the word grew up.
"While I was thinking about the horns look another horn, this time a little one, grew up among them. …”
Also, coming up, came up, grew up shows a progression of time. Over time it became to be what it was.
Gene, you didn't answer our queries with details of whom you think the beast is
However Great Controversy does:
The Great Controversy 1888, Page 440
But the beast with lamb-like horns was seen "coming up out of the earth." Instead of overthrowing other powers to establish itself, the nation thus represented must arise in territory previously unoccupied, and grow up gradually and peacefully. It could not, then, arise among the crowded and struggling nationalities of the Old World,—that turbulent sea of "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." It must be sought in the Western Continent.
What nation of the New World was in 1798 rising into power, giving promise of strength and greatness, and attracting the attention of the world? The application of the symbol admits of no question. One nation, and only one, meets the specifications of this prophecy; it points unmistakably to the United States of America. Again and again the thought, almost the exact words, of the sacred writer have been unconsciously employed by the orator and the historian in describing the rise and growth of this nation. The beast was seen "coming up out of the earth;" and, according to the translators, the word here rendered "coming up" literally signifies to "grow or spring up as a plant." And, as we have seen, the nation must arise in territory previously unoccupied. A prominent writer, describing the rise of the United States, speaks of "the mystery of her coming forth from vacancy," and says, "Like a silent seed we grew into empire."
Your point about "growing up" is also noted by the SOP.