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I really not some clarity as regarding if Jesus is still interceding on our behalf or if our names are coming up before the judgement bar since we are living in the day of atonement she the since of the people are blotted out.  Please use scriptural references.

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Hi Leslie Ann:

I hope this will help you and possibly others?

Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11  And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.


The gift of holy spirit is the token of eternal life that we shall receive when Jesus gathers us together. See below the word earnest in Ephesians 1: 14 which is a down payment, a good faith gesture, that God will keep His promise of eternal life.

EARNEST: "The Greek derivative, however, acquired a more technical sense as signifying the deposit paid by the purchaser on entering into an agreement for the purchase of anything. In the New Testament, the word is used to signify the pledge or earnest of the superior blessings of the future life." from e-Sword X

Eph 1:1  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

Eph 1:3  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Eph 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eph 1:5  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Eph 1:6  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Eph 1:7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Eph 1:8  Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Eph 1:9  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Eph 1:10  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Eph 1:11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Eph 1:12  That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Eph 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 1:14  Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Earnest is the Greek word Arrabon, Strong's # 728: "ἀῤῥαβών arrhabṓn, ar-hrab-ohn'; of Hebrew origin (H6162); a pledge, i.e. part of the purchase-money or property given in advance as security for the rest:—earnest."

The gift of God is the holy spirit, small h, small s, to distinguish the gift from the Giver (God).

Jesus Christ has given us atonement, righteousness, justification, sanctification, redemption, and the ministry of reconciliation, meaning we can help people be reconciled to God, to become children of God, and joint heirs in Christ.

The number of verses dealing with these subjects is so numerous, but can be found in the Church Epistles of Paul Romans through to Thessalonians, as well as partially foretold of in the Old Testament.

We were purchased with a price; the life of Jesus Christ, so that we can be saved by faith (believing, by grace; undeserved divine favor).

I can only agree with you James that is the gospel of salvation, but I think the question was not about the salvation as you have outlined here. Most SDA would agree with you what you did say here. The Question that Leslie Ann was posing went more to what happen's in heaven right now. Where Jesus is interceding for us as the High Priest, a question that seems to be a big bugbear to SDA folks. The question about the Investigative Judgement, I know James you do not subscribe to this. But EG White has this to say about it. And you can read more about it HERE

The Investigative Judgement

The book of life contains the names of all who have ever entered the service of God. Jesus bade His disciples: “Rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.” Luke 10:20. Paul speaks of his faithful fellow workers, “whose names are in the book of life.” Philippians 4:3. Daniel, looking down to “a time of trouble, such as never was,” declares that God’s people shall be delivered, “everyone that shall be found written in the book.” And the revelator says that those only shall enter the city of God whose names “are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Daniel 12:1; Revelation 21:27. {GC 480.3}

Every man’s work passes in review before God and is registered for faithfulness or unfaithfulness. Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered with terrible exactness every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel.{GC 482.1}

Those who in the judgment are “accounted worthy” will have a part in the resurrection of the just. Jesus said: “They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, ... are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.” Luke 20:35, 36. And again He declares that “they that have done good” shall come forth “unto the resurrection of life.” John 5:29. The righteous dead will not be raised until after the judgment at which they are accounted worthy of “the resurrection of life.” Hence they will not be present in person at the tribunal when their records are examined and their cases decided.{GC 482.3}

Jesus will appear as their advocate, to plead in their behalf before God. “If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” 1 John 2:1. “For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.” “Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.” Hebrews 9:24; 7:25.{GC 482.4}

While Jesus is pleading for the subjects of His grace, Satan accuses them before God as transgressors. The great deceiver has sought to lead them into skepticism, to cause them to lose confidence in God, to separate themselves from His love, and to break His law. Now he points to the record of their lives, to the defects of character, the unlikeness to Christ, which has dishonored their Redeemer, to all the sins that he has tempted them to commit, and because of these he claims them as his subjects.{GC 484.1}

Jesus does not excuse their sins, but shows their penitence and faith, and, claiming for them forgiveness, He lifts His wounded hands before the Father and the holy angels, saying: I know them by name. I have graven them on the palms of My hands. “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.” Psalm 51:17. And to the accuser of His people He declares: “The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?” Zechariah 3:2. Christ will clothe His faithful ones with His own righteousness, that He may present them to His Father “a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing.” Ephesians 5:27. Their names stand enrolled in the book of life, and concerning them it is written: “They shall walk with Me in white: for they are worthy.” Revelation 3:4.{GC 484.2}

As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth, our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living. Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God’s remembrance. The Lord declared to Moses: “Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book.” Exodus 32:33. And says the prophet Ezekiel: “When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, ... all his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned.” Ezekiel 18:24.{GC 483.1}

All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life. The Lord declares, by the prophet Isaiah: “I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.” Isaiah 43:25. Said Jesus: “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.” “Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven.” Revelation 3:5; Matthew 10:32, 33.{GC 483.2}

Watch ye therefore: ... lest coming suddenly He find you sleeping.” Mark 13:35, 36. Perilous is the condition of those who, growing weary of their watch, turn to the attractions of the world. While the man of business is absorbed in the pursuit of gain, while the pleasure lover is seeking indulgence, while the daughter of fashion is arranging her adornments—it may be in that hour the Judge of all the earth will pronounce the sentence: “Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.” Daniel 5:27.{GC 491.2}


Elijah you too have not answered my question

True Lelie Ann I did not answer your Question the answer was directed to James as James are not an SDA, in earlier discussions he has totally rejected the doctrine of the Investigative  Judgement. 

But to deal with your Question, to me, it is based on a false premise that sadly seems to prevail among some misguided SDA, who seem to have a poor concept about God and His abilities as a Fair and just Judge. God could execute the Judgement in a split second if that what God wanted to do. But in order to have us to understand His fair and just judgement, God has decided it will be recorded so we all can Investigate those judgements. Or is it that you just do not trust God to be able to make a fair and just judgement.   


Elijah I do not understand what you are saying

No worries Leslie Ann Let us make it more simple. Do you believe God is Fair and just? 

And if you do believe that there is nothing to be worried about. 

James you have not answered my question

I misunderstood your reason for concern, thinking your question was about your salvation?

Unless I again misunderstand; your question seems to be either ooncerning intercession or blotting out the handwriting?

Jesus does make intercession for us, AND our sins are blotted out; Both, not one or the other.
The verses and Greek study above is still applicable, as well as many other verses in the New Testament primarily and some Old Testment verses also.
Our state (fellowship) with God varies, but our standing remains as a son of God (irregardless of gender). We should be thankful for what has been accomplished for us. The more accurate and deep understanding of all that has and will be given to us and accomplished already should give us both assurance and great reverance to God in thankfulness.

Reading many times is profitable of the church epistles from Romans to Thessalonians that contains the sacred secrets (mystery) revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ. Most of Christianity is living far below what God intended for the believers. Religion, ignorance, obstinance and unbelief abound to a great extent.

Romans is a book of Doctrine that explains our righteousness in him etc.
Corinthians are to reproof and correct the practical errors for failure to understand the position and standing that believers have in Christ.

Galatians corrects the doctrinal errors of the above as when people practice error long enough, it becomes a doctrine, though false, as warned of by Paul.

Ephesians is a book of doctrine, and stands as an amazing gem of how highly God regards His children.

Philippians is a book of reproof and correction of the practical error for failure to followv Ephesians.
Collossians corrects the doctrinal errors.

Thessalonians is a book of doctrine, our hope and gathering together unto Christ.

Yes, James as usually you put on your superior airs. 

James said: Jesus does make intercession for us, AND our sins are blotted out; Both, not one or the other.

We do understand that James. The question is when do these things take place? And here is what we as SDA is dealing with the investigative judgement. I know it is a concept foreign to a happy clapper, who think as soon as they have given them self to God they can do whatever they want and still be saved. We as SDA do not believe it is so. 

I hope you are familiar with the parable of the prodigal son who when he was in his father's house was saved, when he left his fathers house for a strange land he was not saved, when he returned home he was saved again. 

Luk 15:11 Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on.27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

I have already addressed so called Investigative judgment elsewhere.

This concept which has no authority anywhere in scriptures, as the term cannit be found anywhere whatsoever in scripture!

The concept also contradicts the righteousness, sanctification, redemption, justification, and atonement already received by grace, not by works.

Again Elijah makes assumptions and aspersions.
Because I study the scriptures and state principles from the scriptures (including the musterion that Paul taught and is used 27 times significantly in the Word; yet is rejected, ridiculed or ignored by most here) , how does that make me egotistical?

But in contrast holding out a term never used in scripture, that is contrary to numerous scriptures is a very radical and dangerous doctrine supposedly inspired by a guy in a wheat field who is extremely upset with the disappointment of Jesus not returning as pontificated, (which scripture says no man knows, not even Jesus the day and hour); who all of a sudden has the so-called true reason that Jesus is in the temple in heaven entering in cleansing it, which is the true event supposedly?

Why would we assume these things are all true and are inspired by God?
Why should we assume that the heavenly temple needs cleaning?

Is there excrement, dust, moths and rust in the dwelling place and throne of God.
Is there leaven in heaven?
Was the spiritual salvation and other legal and prophetic things that Jesus accomplished for us incomplete and imperfect? I think not.

These ideas that are contrary are indications of the problems spoken of in Galatians, in that humans often resort to their own works or concepts because we cannot just accept salvation by grace as though we can perfect ourselves in this life (works), or that we are not good enough (we are not good enough, but God accepted us despite our flaws.

The Catholic church added indulgences, rituals, Purgatory and Mary worship, and the SDA added "Investigatory Judgment."
We are imperfect and shall remain so until the return of Jesus. We can walk with God and do good works, and strive to not sin as best we can. Salvation is completeky by grace through faith, but rewards are by works that are exceptable in God's viewpoint.

Those that are not so are dead works.

To believe and except what God has done for us according to scripture through Jesus Christ is not egotistical, but rather believing in the completeness of God's salvation plan for us and as individual believers.


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