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On a regular basis this blog and others are inundated with reports that are either made up or exaggerated. The truth is often overlooked or ignored, especially in support of SDA eschatology. Are we guilty of looking for the evidence that supports our own error?

and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Perhaps self examination will allow many to return to the way, the truth and the light.

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Manuela

What is funny about what you are saying is that you believe falsehood all the time and the person you lie to is yourself.  You denies historical fact.  For example you believe that democrats are not racist and they have changed from the past. You believe in abortion which was in the USA was birthed by Margret Sanger a proclaimed  racist.  You also believe more in the vain philosophy of humanism and that man can save himself and attain some type of utopia. 

"What is funny about what you are saying is that you believe falsehood all the time and the person you lie to is yourself.  You denies historical fact.  For example you believe that democrats are not racist and they have changed from the past..."

See Raymond i never denied that among the Democrat party in the past there has been a lot of racism going on. That is a historical fact i never denied. However the assessment that the democrat party did not change is not a historical fact but is your personal opinion. You are entitled to hold that opinion but it must not and in this case is not true nor is it a historical fact as you co claim.

If we look at the past weeks events of the US we see obstruction of the legislative process and 20 votes being casted in support of the confederate battle flag which everyone even the highest GOP leaders very clearly state is a symbol of hate and racism. Now if we look closer we find not a single amendment being filed in support of the flag from the democratic side but 26! in support of the flag from the GOP.

Out of the 20 votes in support for the flag guess how many came from the GOP..?

Or lets look into DC.... Here we have the GOP right wing trying to use federal funds and national parks to spread and support the confederate battle flag forcing speaker Boehner to pull the bill all together till he can get his racist right wing under control.

Or lets look into the GOP nomination race.. Here we have a guy claiming Mexico forces its criminals to enter the US illegally and the overwhelming majority of mexican immigrants being rapists... The very same guy is placing first or second on every GOP voter polling....

That was just the past 5 days so yes the democratic party did change and the racism is usually to be found within the GOP right wing today. Thats not to say that there are zero racists left within the democratic party but officials and legislative actions in support of racism is coming in 99% of the cases from the GOP...

"You believe in abortion which was in the USA was birthed by Margret Sanger a proclaimed  racist."

You belief in the SDA Church, as do i, which some of their founders have been part of the eugenics movement as well. You are gong to deny that fact?

So if someone makes an error at one point in time they, the organizations they have been part of and the ideas they supported are condemned and tainted for all eternity?

If that would be true you should stay away from our Church after all some of its founding fathers and most influential members went ahead and became a major role in racism and eugenics....

"You also believe more in the vain philosophy of humanism and that man can save himself and attain some type of utopia. "

And here you are completely wrong again.

I belief that we are called to strive forward and be a positive influence around us and in society as much as possible. Humans will never build an utopia or live perfectly on their own doing but this simple fact does not excuse you or me to sit back and do nothing and wait for Christ. Within scripture we have a clear calling to strive forward and progress as much as we can towards the ideal.

Your philosophy on the other hand is to not care about todays society and the people within because we can never have a perfect society on earth so we do nothing...

Sorry i actually love an like my neighbours which include worldly societies so yes i strife for progress and strife to improve the conditions of today and tomorrow very well knowing we will never reach perfection but we will reach a better tomorrow.

Lastly nothing of these list you proclaimed here has anything to do with the simple fact that on this forum and in adventist Churches there are lots and lots of proven to be wrong theories going around being believed or used to justify whatever they wish.

This begins with satirical onion articles being published and claimed to be truth and goes to FEMA camp and chem trail conspiracy theories or the sep 2015 us economy crash and i am pretty sure if the predicted crash does not happen in sep 2015 than we will not see a retraction or apology we will just hear "it did happen it was just covered up..." or similar crap.

Regards

Note: not mixing but answering point by point. 

See Raymond i never denied that among the Democrat party in the past there has been a lot of racism going on. That is a historical fact i never denied. However the assessment that the democrat party did not change is not a historical fact but is your personal opinion. You are entitled to hold that opinion but it must not and in this case is not true nor is it a historical fact as you co claim.

I am mixed race.  I talk to people of color especial Hispanic and Native peoples.  The racism of liberals is condescension. White liberals look down on people of color as if they are special needs lacking mental capacity and they are lacking what white people have in order to make it in the the elite liberal world with out help from big brother.  I have experienced it first hand in the industry I work.  Native people take full advantage of this and actually shake down business for more money if they do not pay more for contracts on native land. Its called white guilt.  Business will partner with or hire a percentage of minorities to cheat on labor contracts.  This in itself is racist behavior fostered by the stupidity of liberals and it takes away from those who actually need help. 

If we look at the past weeks events of the US we see obstruction of the legislative process and 20 votes being casted in support of the confederate battle flag which everyone even the highest GOP leaders very clearly state is a symbol of hate and racism.

What is funny about this and what is ignored is that who is responsible for the confederate battle flag. Dixiecrats which are southern racist democrats.  It is historical. Republicans were the party of Abraham Lincoln.  All my people are from the north my ancestors on my father's side historically were in  the Union Army and I have libertarian leanings so really I could care less. It's all political nonsense to draw us away from the real issues.  

Since you have trouble getting the concept here is a cartoon to help you.

 

You belief in the SDA Church, as do i, which some of their founders have been part of the eugenics movement as well. You are gong to deny that fact?

So if someone makes an error at one point in time they, the organizations they have been part of and the ideas they supported are condemned and tainted for all eternity?

If that would be true you should stay away from our Church after all some of its founding fathers and most influential members went ahead and became a major role in racism and eugenics....

I never have, never will, eugenics it is evil and bad science and is not Biblical.  So are you saying this is the part of the SDA church that you can accept and like?   If you are talking about Kellogg he was a failed member and was in apostasy 

"You also believe more in the vain philosophy of humanism and that man can save himself and attain some type of utopia. "

And here you are completely wrong again.

I belief that we are called to strive forward and be a positive influence around us and in society as much as possible. Humans will never build an utopia or live perfectly on their own doing but this simple fact does not excuse you or me to sit back and do nothing and wait for Christ. Within scripture we have a clear calling to strive forward and progress as much as we can towards the ideal.

Your philosophy on the other hand is to not care about todays society and the people within because we can never have a perfect society on earth so we do nothing...

Sorry i actually love an like my neighbours which include worldly societies so yes istrife for progress and strife to improve the conditions of today and tomorrow very well knowing we will never reach perfection but we will reach a better tomorrow.

You love your neighbors enough to do what?  Define progress?   Have you read the Great Controversy.  The devil uses force and God uses love.  It is as simple as that.  Jesus will change the heart of man and write the law of God on the heart.  Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell all his goods and he did not.  The young man went away sad because he was wealthy. Jesus did not have the man restrained by the disciples or Angles and beat him until he sold all he had. God does not use force in such a manner.  He spoke to the young man's heart because he loved him.  You Manuela and others speak against guns, but yet you would use the force of government and law when all we have to do is give people Jesus to change hearts.  I live close to a group of old fashioned Christians called Hutterites.  They practice a form of shared wealth and responsibility and they have become well off and respected here in this area. It is a type of socialism that they practice and they came here from communist countries because they were persecuted there.  I find this ironic.  Why does this economic form work for them? Because it is small groups, because they use the Bible as a guide.  Your form of political humanist statist socialism is junk. 

Lastly nothing of these list you proclaimed here has anything to do with the simple fact that on this forum and in adventist Churches there are lots and lots of proven to be wrong theories going around being believed or used to justify whatever they wish.

The one example you gave is of someone who was just asking a question. Not everyone has the same level of understanding or sophistication when it comes to languages and satirical sites. Some do not know how to research using the internet.  You really should try being a little more humble.  It is in the Bible that we should be humble.    

Do you and Leon agree about subject or are you projecting? Leon's focus is Ellen White bashing.  You focus is on bashing conservative Bible believers.   

Okay... Bringing the discussion back to what the topic is supposed to be about. Now yes I have seen many people in our church, and outside of it for that matter, easily accept false stories. As to why it happens? I have a few theories. #1. The belief that anything presented on the pulpit is 100% truth. This is a bit of a dangerous belief as anyone can stand on the pulpit and make something up. I have heard many conspiracy theory based statements, many political based statement, many internet rumors, and many flat out ignorant statements than can be easily debunked by doing some research uttered on the pulpit. Now whenever I hear something like this I do my own research before accepting. But the rest of my church congregation doesn't seem to do so, they just blindly accept it.

#2. Another theory is that people are so focused on winning an argument that they will grab any argument they can, without doing their proper fact checking first.

#3. My third theory is  that many believe that the ends justify the means. They believe that if a lie can save thousands, then said lie is the duty of christians. So they purposely spread misinformation believing that in the long run they are doing good. 

#4. As the old saying goes; The truth is whatever the people are willing to believe. It could simply be that people fall for these false stories because they wish to believe that the stories are true.

In any case, I pick my battles. I wont try to debunk every false story I hear because I would spend a lifetime doing so. So instead I let them believe as they want. And only debunk if and when I feel it's absolutely necessary to do so. But I always make it my duty to inform myself on what is presented before accepting it.

Hello Grey

I find your response very insightful; especially number three. I have met those who were willing to cover up lies because they thought that their purpose was noble. I also agree that we must pick our battles (it is difficult at times to do this.) There are many who are offended by the truth, because they are pleased with their brand of deception.

Leon

Leon 

one wonders what kind of Bible you use it must be markedly Different to the Bible most adventist uses 

Maybe we should just toss out Ellen White and the Bible and discuss the Catechism.  We could all get along then I suppose. 

You are proving my point with your criticism. You can win argument s if you insult or make up facts. But that further distance s you from the truth.

Insults? Your  answer left a few questions about the quality of your Bible. It seems to be an unusual translation to say the least. I myself prefer the KJV. 

I know you do Ian, because that version (Presbyterian in nature,) allows you to prove the doctrine that you love. Yet, a search for doctrine is different than a search for the truth.

Leon

You dare talk about truth. That is a lie for a start. The  main reason you posted this is to throw dirt on SDA church and EGW. 

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