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After going to many Christian brothers and sisters and discussing and sharing the Sabbath a great truth became apperant to me.

All the other commandments we can pretend to follow, but the Sabbath stands out, it is a sign, the standard of God. Where he draws his battle line, the true believers put on the armor and choose God, the decieved put on the "traditions" of men and the false doctrines of the evil one who raise his banner of Baal, and pagan sun worship.

The Sabbath cannot be hidden under a bushel, you can hide your idols, swear against God out of hearing of others and love other gods such as sex, money, fame... and no one would know. But like Daniel praying at his window for all to see the Sabbath is a clear display of our love for God when we worship him.

So God has given us His truths, the banner of the Sabbath is raised and planted since Creation, Jesus has shown us who the Sabbath is for...

Here is a excellent description of the Biblical

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who raise his banner of Baal,

Do you understand this term you wrote Richard?

Before there was a Pope there was no Sunday. History clearly shows that it was the Papacy joining and compromising with the Roman Pagans in an effort to convert the Pagans to Christians. 

Emperor Constantine the first Roman to become a Christian as we know he wanted to take his Mithraism with him into the RCC. Therefore we can as best see him as a Nominal Christian. 

The Blindness of the Age
America’s precious freedom of religious belief and practice is in danger of being destroyed by those who would force the conscience of the minority to conform to the wishes of the majority.
In the movements now in progress in the United States to secure for the institutions and usages of the church the support of the state, Protestants are following in the steps of papists. Nay, more, they are opening the door for the papacy to regain in Protestant America the supremacy which she has lost in the Old World. And that which gives greater significance to this movement is the fact that the principal object contemplated is the enforcement of Sunday observance—a custom which originated with Rome, and which she claims as the sign of her authority. It is the spirit of the papacy—the spirit of conformity to worldly customs, the veneration for human traditions above the commandments of God—that is permeating the Protestant churches and leading them on to do the same work of Sunday exaltation which the papacy has done before them. {DD 24.1}
If the reader would understand the agencies to be employed in the soon-coming contest, he has but to trace the record of the means which Rome employed for the same object in ages past. If he would know how papists and Protestants united will deal with those who reject their dogmas, let him see the spirit which Rome manifested toward the Sabbath and its defenders. {DD 25.1}
Royal edicts, general councils, and church ordinances sustained by secular power were the steps by which the pagan festival attained its position of honor in the Christian world. The first public measure enforcing Sunday observance was the law enacted by Constantine. (A.D. 321) This edict required townspeople to rest on “the venerable day of the sun,” but permitted countrymen to continue their agricultural pursuits. Though virtually a heathen statute, it was enforced by the emperor after his nominal acceptance of Christianity. {DD 25.2}
The royal mandate not proving a sufficient substitute for divine authority, Eusebius, a bishop who sought the favor of princes, and who was the special friend and flatterer of Constantine, advanced the claim that Christ had transferred the Sabbath to Sunday. Not a single testimony of the Scriptures was produced in proof of the new doctrine. Eusebius himself unwittingly acknowledges its falsity and points to the real authors of the change. “All things,” he says, “whatever that it was duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord’s Day.”—Robert Cox, Sabbath Laws and Sabbath Duties, page 538. But the Sunday argument, groundless as it was, served to embolden men in trampling upon the Sabbath of the Lord. All who desired to be honored by the world accepted the popular festival. {DD 25.3}
Sunday Laws and Their Effect
As the papacy became firmly established, the work of Sunday exaltation was continued. For a time the people engaged in agricultural labor when not attending church, and the seventh day was still regarded as the Sabbath. But steadily a change was effected. Those in holy office were forbidden to pass judgment in any civil controversy on the Sunday. Soon after, all persons, of whatever rank, were commanded to refrain from common labor on pain of a fine for freemen and stripes in the case of servants. Later it was decreed that rich men should be punished with the loss of half of their estates; and finally, that if still obstinate they should be made slaves. The lower classes were to suffer perpetual banishment. {DD 25.4}
Miracles also were called into requisition. Among other wonders it was reported that as a husbandman who was about to plow his field on Sunday cleaned his plow with an iron, the iron stuck fast in his hand, and for two years he carried it about with him, “to his exceeding great pain and shame.”—Francis West, Historical and Practical Discourse on the Lord’s Day, page 174. {DD 25.5}
Later the pope gave directions that the parish priest should admonish the violators of Sunday and wish them to go to church and say their prayers, lest they bring some great calamity on themselves and neighbors.... {DD 26.1}
The decrees of councils proving insufficient, the secular authorities were besought to issue an edict that would strike terror to the hearts of the people and force them to refrain from labor on the Sunday. At a synod held in Rome, all previous decisions were reaffirmed with greater force and solemnity. They were also incorporated into the ecclesiastical law and enforced by the civil authorities throughout nearly all Christendom. (See Heylyn, History of the Sabbath, pt. 2, ch. 5, sec. 7.). {DD 26.2}
The Authority for Sundaykeeping
Still the absence of Scriptural authority for Sundaykeeping occasioned no little embarrassment. The people questioned the right of their teachers to set aside the positive declaration of Jehovah, “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God,” in order to honor the day of the sun. To supply the lack of Bible testimony, other expedients were necessary. A zealous advocate of Sunday, who about the close of the twelfth century visited the churches of England, was resisted by faithful witnesses for the truth; and so fruitless were his efforts that he departed from the country for a season and cast about him for some means to enforce his teachings. When he returned, the lack was supplied, and in his after labors he met with greater success. He brought with him a roll purporting to be from God Himself, which contained the needed command for Sunday observance, with awful threats to terrify the disobedient. This precious document—as base a counterfeit as the institution it supported—was said to have fallen from heaven and to have been found in Jerusalem, upon the altar of St. Simeon, in Golgotha. But, in fact, the pontifical palace at Rome was the source whence it proceeded. Frauds and forgeries to advance the power and prosperity of the church have in all ages been esteemed lawful by the papal hierarchy.... {DD 26.3}
But notwithstanding all the efforts to establish Sunday sacredness, papists themselves publicly confessed the divine authority of the Sabbath and the human origin of the institution by which it had been supplanted. In the sixteenth century a papal council plainly declared: “Let all Christians remember that the seventh day was consecrated by God, and hath been received and observed, not only by the Jews, but by all others who pretend to worship God; though we Christians have changed their Sabbath into the Lord’s Day.”—The Great Controversy, 281, 282. Those who were tampering with the divine law were not ignorant of the character of their work. They were deliberately setting themselves above God.... {DD 26.4}
As Rob commented "raising the banner of Ball" is what the Papacy has done ever since they allowed compromise to enter the Church 

Well said and researched Elijah. Love your SOP and your comments about raising the banner of Baal.

Baal is a Hebrew word with two forms of action, the verb form spelt with the exact same letters as the noun form, hence the word essentially means the same thing. However nobody in the world would agree with this idea.

He went to love her with his love. Are these two love words really different?

He made a record in the record. Can you see how the actions of verbs differ?

The farmer went to produce produce for sale. Notice the different actions.

The plough went out to plough all day to sow. This is a Bible verse even. We with Greek brains see words with static descriptions, like nouns. Hebrew people saw no nouns, only verbs. There are two kinds of actions or verbs, the incompleted action or verb, and the completed action or verb.  

The verb form of Baal has the idea of "master", where humans do things as a small authority over others.

The noun form of Baal has the idea of "divine-master", where humans support themselves as a "god like authority" over others.

Notice the Hebrew English translator:


Those who have sharp, rough traits of character are guilty before God if they do not, by training, repress and root out all the bitterness of their nature. The man who yields to impatience is serving Satan. "To whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey." A good character is more precious in God's sight than the gold of Ophir. The Lord would have men act for time and for eternity. We have received good and bad as a legacy, and by cultivation we may make the bad worse, or the good better. Shall the bad gain the ascendancy, as with Judas, or shall the evils be purged from our souls, and the good predominate?

Principle, right, honesty, should ever be cherished. Honesty will not tarry where policy is harbored. They will never agree; one is of Baal, the other of God. The Master requires his servants to be honorable in motive and action. All greed, all avarice, must be overcome. Those who choose honesty as their companion will embody it in all their acts. To a large class, these men are not pleasing, but to God they are beautiful.

The word "baal" is all about the "authority" you are empowered by.

EGW alludes to Jesus as our master, where does Scripture say this? One verse only:

Ho 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
 17 For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.

The Hebrew word "baali" stems from "baal" is used only here.

What is the English meaning of "baal" according to our Hebrew English translator?

God's servants are not to be treated as the servants of the Conference, to be bound and released at their pleasure. God is dishonored, and it is time you called a halt. The men who live out Christ's lessons in practical life are his co-workers. The man who acts upon worldly principles is serving another master. The two classes do not blend into one another imperceptibly like the colors of a rainbow; Christ's likeness and Satanic attributes stand out as distinct as midnight in contrast with midday. The Christian differs from the worldling in nature, in taste, in pursuits. The words of the prophet Malachi need to be read, the warnings heeded, and the instructions practiced. From the first word to the last this book should be our lesson sheet, in the home life, in the church, and before the world. God calls upon you, "Why halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord God serve him, if Baal, then serve him." God will not approve or bless the authorities at Battle Creek in turning things upside down.


He has so fully established the idol self in the heart and worshiped at its shrine, there has been no room for Jesus, no room for light, for love, for meekness, and lowliness of heart. Self is magnified into wonderful proportions. His only hope is to die to self, crucify self. If not, he loses that life which measures with the life of God. It is life or death that is set before Dr. Burke. "Choose ye this day, whom ye will serve;" "If the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him." [Joshua 24:15; 1 Kings 18:21.]


Every heart emptied of self will have the quickening energy of the Holy Spirit. It is now that some are being worked by satanic agencies. Mark the fruit. The whole life is one of ambitious determination to carry out their own plans and purposes, to do a special work to exalt themselves. God puts to them the challenge, "Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. If it be God, serve Him; if Baal, serve him." [Joshua 24:15; 1 Kings 18:21.]

The answer is "SELF". Self is a self empowered abuse of God's power where you abuse God's power for selfish reasons. You become a "god like authority" of your own destiny.

What does Paul say about this?

Ro 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Paul uses a change of words: Pious people who do works of the law using self, to make themselves good in the eyes of the Lord, are attempting to save themselves by what they do. We call this thing "legalism".

So how are we saved, if we exclude self from salvation? how does salvation work?

The answer lies in the correct meaning of faith.

See the link above.

Notice our Hebrew English translator is the only person I have found who understands what faith is

At all times and in all places, in all sorrows and in all afflictions, when the outlook seems dark and the future perplexing, and we feel helpless and alone, the Comforter will be sent in answer to the prayer of faith. Circumstances may separate us from every earthly friend; but no circumstance, no distance, can separate us from the heavenly Comforter. Wherever we are, wherever we may go, He is always at our right hand to support, sustain, uphold, and cheer.�The Desire of Ages, 669, 670.

  • That prayer which comes forth from an earnest, believing heart is the effectual, fervent prayer that availeth much. God does not always answer our prayers as we expect, for we may not ask what would be for our highest good; but in his infinite love and wisdom he will give us those things which we most need. Happy the minister who has a faithful Aaron and Hur to strengthen his hands when they become weary, and to hold them up by faith and prayer. Such a support is a powerful aid to the servant of Christ in his work, and will often make the cause of truth to triumph gloriously. GW92 32.2

So when we raise our banner of Baal, understand what this means.

I pray, like me, we humbly seek a different master over us daily.

Learn to control our tongue, the fruit of Baal. Ask GOD to tell you want to say.

Shalom my friends

Thanks for your reply Rob. I did not realise that Ball had two meanings, although I have seen in the concordance that many Hebrew words do have more than one meaning, and many times it is oposite meanings, that can make it quite confusing so a person like me just have to trust that the translator got it right when he made the translator.

As you say we have two to chose Jesus or Ball who is Satan in reality as Joshua said; Joshuah 24:14  Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15  And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. 

Have a Blessed Sabbath Rob.

Well said and Scripture chosen my friend.

I get the impression baal is a Hebrew word that came to being only after sin entered the world, ie self is a god like authority that opposes GOD and His LOVE.

Indeed the godlike authority in which we empower ourselves, has to be daily crucified as we choose another master over lives, Jesus.

How do we via faith, get this master into our minds on a second by second daily basis?

The answer lies in the correct meaning of faith.

See the link above.

Seeing we are the only ones on this forum each day Elijah, have a read through the many webpages on this link, and tell me what you think, what faith really means... how we get Jesus as our master over us daily...



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