Why is is that the Church does not preach on adventist women and Jewelries wearing and...
Why is is that the Church does not preach on adventist women and Jewelries wearing , excessive makeup and Pants wearing in the sanctuary anymore? This is is very popular with the young women in our Church today.... What ever happen to adventist decorum????? Bring it back....
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Permalink Reply by Joann on -
Hi Al Jean
Are you assigning blame to the church?
These messages/preaching of decorum are preached; maybe not in a fire and brimestone way, but preached nonetheless. The problems may not lie in the message; but much lies with complaining Christian who feel that Adventistism, any religion for that matter, is TOO restrictive and interfere with their personal rights and freedom.
I don't believe that it will make a difference how it is presented, if the individuals have no love for the Christ.
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Permalink Reply by Al-J'ean on -
Joann I am not blaming the Church, i just wonder why I heard plenty of messages about "LOVE" even "POSPERITY" and throw away what make us as adventist unique..... I attend church every week I have not heard the message regarding Jewelry unless i listen from Preachers such as Shawn Boonstra, Doug Batchelor or David Asherick or Eric Walsh... And the reason is because they don' t wont to make folks uncomfortable. They want to keep the pews full, what sense if your pews are full for the wrong reason with uncomminted Adventist Christain, Emotions will not save us, But the truth on the other hands will....
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Permalink Reply by Anthony Manns on -
Ladies'
whatever is "Preached",
if it has not the LOVE of GOD in the message.....(see, I call them messages)........
then it is of no avail.
Set an example in front of the people, by OUR example.
You will be able to SEE those whoms lives are "somewhat" consecrated to God.
By their fruits, you will be known!
It is said to "send into the churches, those who will live health reform, and see the breath of life return to the church..para.
Here is the quote:
Send out into the churches workers who will live the principles of health reform. Let those be sent who can see the necessity of self-denial in appetite, or they will be a snare to the church. See if the breath of life will not then come into your churches. Testimonies, Vol. 6, p. 267. {CME 17.3}
Pray for those who stand as Shepards of the Flock.
Some of us have itching ears, and some of us wants the truth as it is in Jesus.
Keep praying ladies.
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Permalink Reply by JohnB on -
In my local church that message is preached - both the makeup/jewelry aspect and the dress. Any women who are on the platform - no matter which role from Praise Leader to Elder - know that wearing trousers means that you will not be able to go on the platform. I know of one sister who deliberately wore trousers so that she would be told she couldn't go on the platform.
For men, cane-rowed or plaited hair will stop you being allowed on the platform - and you are expected to be dressed "properly", i.e. nothing too casual.
Naturally, my local church is a "conservative" church. The more liberal churches will have other standards.
Standards change across the Adventist world, so often it depends where you are as to what standards are kept. As a broad rule the western countries tend to be more liberal and the eastern and second/third world countries tend to be more conservative.
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Permalink Reply by Al-J'ean on
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Amen, John B... I guess since I am in California it is more apparent in most of the churches here and again in Atlanta i see a lot of that type of thing happening there also.... We are a percular people, we are who we are, we are not like other denomination -- I have been to churches unless i knew it was sabbath i would never thought that i was in in SDA church -- the dress, the noise in the sanctuary etc... I read yesterday in the spirit of prophecy devotional the following:
A few, yes, only a few, of the vast number who people the earth will be saved unto life eternal, while the masses who have not perfected their souls in obeying the truth will be appointed to the second death.
While the sins of penitent believers are being removed from the sanctuary, there is to be a special work of purification, of putting away of sin, among God's people upon earth.
From Maranatha - Page 252
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Permalink Reply by JohnB on
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Hi Al-J'ean,
As always a study of the Sanctuary services can help in such matters. On the Day of Atonement all adornment was taken off and it was a time of "sackcloth". As we are in the antitypical Day of Atonement we should be following the same guidelines.
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Permalink Reply by Anthony Manns on
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Al-J'ean....That quote you posted should lead to another conversation, ....
"A few, yes, only a few, of the vast number who people the earth will be saved unto life eternal, while the masses who have not perfected their souls in obeying the truth will be appointed to the second death."
144,000.......:>)
At least, that is where I went.
Thanks for allowing me the pleasure.
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Permalink Reply by Myron Robertson on -
Perhaps it is because none of these are salvation issues? There is also the matter of them being simply an interpretation based on Old Covenant law, but not actually being law found in the Old Covenant.
In Galatians 5 we read: 2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
All the types of the Old Covenant law have different meanings in the New Covenant, and those types extend well beyond anything SDAs are willing to consider. Circumcision (of the penis) had absolutely no value spiritually; true circumcision, the only kind that mattered was circumcision of the heart (Deuteronomy 10:16; 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; Romans 2:29). Those that insist on the physical bind themselves to the keeping of the entire Old Covenant law. Now you don't really want to do that do you?
Clothing and adornments are also Old Covenant types and so are men and women. I will not get much into their meanings here, nothing more than to say men represent spirits or the New Man of the Spirit and women represent souls or the old man of sin. Clothing is a covering and always represents coverings in the Old Covenant law. The word covering comes from the Hebrew word kippur or kuphar, depending on how it gets transliterated -- either way it is the same word. This word is translated as both cover (or covering) and atonement. This is always a reference to how we are to cover, or make atonement for, our sins. If you are spiritual you use the men's clothing of the New Covenant, and it is a sin for you to wear the covering of the Old Covenant; if you are still at a Passover level of faith and have not entered the fire of God's presence through Pentecost you are still soulish (carnal) and must use the women's clothing of the Old Covenant. Deuteronomy 22:5 says: A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
We are living at the end of the Pentecostal Age and as a denomination are supposed to be seeking the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles -- the purpose of the second coming -- which is the adoption of the Sons of God (not daughters-- which is not to say physical women are barred, but is to say anyone dominated by the Old man of Sin, or the soulish nature is barred). Why are so many of you insisting on wearing women's clothing (the Old Covenant, or worse still traditions of men based upon an Old Covenant understanding)?
As for adornment (jewelry and make-up) the types are a little more complicated and I don't know the meaning of the different types of precious stone. Gold is the character of God and silver is God's elect, at least that is the simple explanation of these symbols. But once again, just as with circumcision, the wearing or not wearing of these adornments means nothing, especially if you are refusing to wear the spiritual equivalents which God gives to his bride (us) for her adornment at the wedding ceremony (again, the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles.)
Let's stop these petty arguments about the various forms of whitewashing tombs and start preparing for that wedding feast. It is probably closer than any of us realize.
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Permalink Reply by Myron Robertson on
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There is nothing wrong with the statement you quoted, nor with your stated exception to it. The Day of Atonement was a single day of the year. The wedding feasts would last seven days, just as the Feast of Tabernacles, which they closely parallel. The wedding is an appropriate time for adornment, and as you are aware from the parables of Jesus regarding that time, the adornment is required... so much so that the Father himself will provide us with the proper coverings and gems.
God required the people to afflict themselves (fast and meditate on his law and how their lives compare to it) on the Day of Atonement, but under the New Covenant we are being judged constantly, not just one day a year and thus are required to do these meditations constant. (Remember, Paul said, "I die daily," and we also should be dying daily. This is a form of judgment.) And believe me, I know all too well the problems pride can cause. So did Paul and that is one reason he wrote so much on the subject, even allowing himself to boast on one or two occasions about the things he had done through Christ and that Christ had done for him... but he always turned those things back to God's glory, not his own because it was God's gems that he was wearing, not physical (or even spiritual) gems that he had purchased by the power of his own flesh.
We are allowed a certain amount of pride. In fact it is necessary to our survival, but pride in self and the accomplishments of the flesh will always be a problem and are to be eradicated from our lives. You are very right about that. It leads to the whitewashing of the tombs that Jesus spoke of and I referred to as well. It also leads us to avoid examining and cleaning out the filth inside. I don't want to be thought of as a tomb... by God or by anyone else, so I will examine my filth and seek to remove it. I want to be thought of as a place where life is possible, and God's life exists in me.
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Permalink Reply by Alexander on -
Remember also Brother Myron, that Paul would circumcise in certain instances. (Acts 16:1-3)
So, what Paul said in Galatians was not an absolute law either.
I do believe these are issues of the heart that should warn us of trouble! If we choose to follow these practices, we demonstrate our lack of understanding of the times we live in and our purpose in this world at this time. Being confused about these issues could cause someone to end up lost.
So, lets be sober minded about all these issues. God has revealed in Scripture His concern over jewelry and being too concerned with the way we look. (Matt. 6:28-33)
God Bless, Alex.
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Permalink Reply by Lee on -
Hello Al jean
I was wondering abt your question.
About jewelries....yea it is seldom preach in the church but when they firstt become adventist yes they been studied about this. And they know it
And by the way but its good also we can preach again about this.
So i think its not the church problem but they social life.
We dont have to tell them again and again.
Its clear in the Bible about this.
About wearing pants i have no comment.
Some peoples they only have the best is their pants and that wont stop them to go to church.
Going to church is more important.
Whatever brother the important is what is our Motive.
Well thats all i can say.
God bless
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