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because a powerless people does not attract  Government intervention....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akhY__39fc  Ivor Myers preaches a very interesting message...

When a people have power, they are persecuted because they have power...but if we have no power, the Governments do not care about us.....We are to go about spreading honey...the sweet message of Jesus dwelling in our hearts...and with this power, the Governments and other CHurches will take notice....

Da 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

The King of the North is the Papacy....out of the east come good news

Re 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God:

And out of the north...

Re 18:1 ¶ And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. (from the north)

Notice when we as a people do a loud cry, we trouble the world with Jesus honey, and they go out to trouble us and destroy and utterly take away many

Da 12:1 ¶ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Than Jesus stands up finishing probation, and then the great Jacob's trouble happens, but the people saved are sealed....

So when Sunday Law first came to USA in 1888, the people were not ready for it....we bickered inside the church saying we do not like this message...Jesus stopped the law being passed because we not ready for Sunday Law....

So if we were doing the message of Jesus to the world, the world would stand up and take notice, but because we are lazy and without Holy Spirit oil, we are asleep.....we are foolish SDA virgins...we received the forme rain, but we will not begin the loud cry until the Second Sunday law comes....but the Second Sunday law comes after we begin our loud cry.....

We must experience Jesus and pray for the season the latter rain NOW....

We must be  ready....We must be practicing the end of time living off the land out from the cities...we must go into the cities to present Jesus in love and show others His love....it is a church of power that causes the others to take notice.....

It's squarely our fault Jesus has not come, and the Second Sunday law has not come....indeed the first Sunday law has already come to USA in 1888, and we stand in Sunday law coming now....lets stand up and begin praying for power...its power we need....the glory of Jesus living in us daily....

These words come from this sermon from the U Tube video by Ivor Myers

Shalom

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 We do believe Sunday law first siege has already come in 1888 don't we, in the USA?

 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

We can speed up Jesus coming....

 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep,

all things continue as they were from the beginning of tine of end in 1844.

Are we going to speed up the coming of Jesus ? or become complacent ?

Shalom

Hello Rob

The first occurrence of the phrase blue law so far found is in the New-York Mercury of March 3, 1755, where the writer imagines a future newspaper praising the revival of "our Connecticut's old Blue Laws". In his 1781 book General History of Connecticut, the Reverend Samuel Peters (1735–1826) used it to describe various laws first enacted by Puritan colonies in the 17th century that prohibited various activities, recreational as well as commercial, on Sunday (Saturday evening through Sunday night). Sometimes the sale of certain types of merchandise was prohibited, and in some cases all retail and business activity.

Contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence that blue laws were originally printed on blue paper. Rather, the word blue was used in the 17th century as a disparaging reference to rigid moral codes and those who observed them, particularly in blue-stocking, a reference to Oliver Cromwell's supporters in the parliament of 1653.[1] Moreover, although Reverend Peters claimed that the term blue law was originally used by Puritan colonists, his work has since been found to be unreliable.[2] In any event, Peters never asserted that the blue laws were originally printed on blue paper, and this has come to be regarded as an example of false etymology. Another version is that the laws were first bound in books with blue covers.

As Protestant moral reformers organized the Sabbath reform in nineteenth-century America, calls for the enactment and/or enforcement of stricter Sunday laws developed. Numerous Americans were arrested for working, keeping an open shop, drinking alcohol, traveling, and recreating on Sundays. Beginning in the 1840s, Catholic immigrants, workingmen, Jews, Seventh Day Baptists, free-thinkers, and other groups began to organize opposition. Throughout the century, Sunday laws served as a major source of church-state controversy and as an issue that drove the emergence of modern American minority-rights politics. [3]

Many European countries[which?] still place strong restrictions on store opening hours on Sundays, an example being Germany's Ladenschlussgesetz.

In Texas, for example, blue laws prohibited selling housewares such as pots, pans, and washing machines on Sunday until 1985. In Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. Maryland permits Sunday automobile sales only in the counties of Prince George's, Montgomery, and Howard; similarly, Michigan restricts Sunday sales to only those counties with a population of less than 130,000. Texas and Utah prohibit car dealerships from operating over consecutive weekend days. In some cases these laws were created or retained with the support of those whom they affected, to allow them a day off each week without fear of their competitors still being open.[4]

Keeping Holy the Sabbath. The Protestant elite generally supported blue laws that kept stores including restaurants and taverns closed on Sundays and banned public recreation on that day. Jewish and Catholic immigrants certainly did not share that tradition.

By the 1880s Detroit enacted blue laws prohibiting public entertainment on Sunday. Owners of professional baseball teams knew this serious reduced their revenues. Blue collar workers in this era were generally required to work up to 9 hours per day for 6 days each week. There were no lights for evening baseball. If baseball were to prosper, Sunday afternoon games were needed. Since it was a Detroit city ordinance that prohibited recreation on Sundays, professional teams here tried to play in a nearby location that allowed Sunday baseball. Apparently the Detroit Tigers in the late 1890s shifted some of their Sunday home games to River Rogue. One of the previous minor league teams tried to play Sunday games in Hamtramck Township.

 

Catholic social teaching is known for promoting the idea that workers deserve dignity, which includes rest. But Pope Francis seems to be saying something more: that an authentically Christian life includes a proper dose of leisure and family time. That may sound unusual coming from a man whose tradition valorizes solitude and monasticism, and whose clergy members are not permitted to take spouses or beget children.

The idea of a Catholic exalting the Sabbath sounds particularly peculiar in the American context. In the United States, Catholics were never the great proponents of Sabbatarianism, observing Sunday as a special day, for worship or rest. That was a Protestant thing.

It is important to pay attention to actual historical facts, rather than those that are utilized to promote an agenda.

Leon

Thank you Rob.  Great topic.  It took some time for me to see how it all fits.  

I trust you watched the U Tube videos of Ivor Myers....He is fantastic with new Holy Spirit insights in Scripture

I love His sermon the Proposal too....

I also recommend watching Jerimiah Davies...

Truly are we ready to begin the loud cry of a people powered by Jesus ?

Shalom

I keep close tabs on Ivor Myers.  He is from almost the same era I am and I liked much of the music of that time so he really speaks to my heart.

It may sound strange to put it like this, but one of the promises in the Bible is that "all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." (2Timothy 3:12) It is a promise.

We don't have the same degree of persecution that used to be brought against God's people, and this, I believe, is an indication of our degree of godliness. Little real godliness, means little real persecution. If we make the truth of God repulsive by our manner, and provoke opposition that way, then any "persecution" that we might suffer is earned/deserved.

Obviously, if we are "buffeted" for our faults, then there is no glory in it. But if we are pushed, and buffeted, and despised because of our godly [meek and lowly] presentation of the truth for today, then we have every reason to rejoice in the midst of persecutions. (1Peter 2:20)

So, "why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber [in our day]? The only reason is, that the church has conformed to the world's standard, and therefore awakens no opposition." (GC 48) When those words were written, voices were ready to say, "but look here... and look there, don't we face opposition every day? Are we not persecuted every day?" And yet the reality was that giant Persecution was to "a great degree", sleeping. Same thing today.

the church persecutes its own

when one stands up and pleads for others that is not like the churched

#u can see glimpses here

Rob, I am curious about the idea of the "second" Sunday law. If we are talking about Sunday laws in America, weren't there quite a few Sunday laws [enforced at various times in the United States] prior to 1888? I used to have a book written by an SDA detailing Sunday laws in the U.S.A. ... quite interesting.

Love what you write Stewart, well said

regarding the first Sunday Law siege has already come to the SDA holy grounds in 1888, and the second Sunday law siege will begin soon ...we are in the middle time of the Christians who fled in AD 66 during the time they left the big city for the smaller village of Pella, and eventually settled into the country places...

The Sunday law is not an event, but a process of time over many months, it will come to the USA and slowly spread to the entire world...

But I must say...when we love Jesus and get power, we get humble, but we also get afflicted....seems both go hand in hand....

Love your comments and your ministry God bless

]Yes ManGrowFlower, you are correct and blessed...

Let us all keep growing in Jesus and loving the flow of His power into our lives daily

Shalom

"The Sunday law is not an event, but a process of time over many months, it will come to the USA and slowly spread to the entire world..."

Yes Amen.  

Things are in place.  

I would want to live in a city or even a small town.  

I would not want have to work for a wage, but be free to work for myself.  

and We shouldn't be afraid of the world and what it can do. 

Leon

"Catholic social teaching is known for promoting the idea that workers deserve dignity, which includes rest. But Pope Francis seems to be saying something more: that an authentically Christian life includes a proper dose of leisure and family time. That may sound unusual coming from a man whose tradition valorizes solitude and monasticism, and whose clergy members are not permitted to take spouses or beget children.

The idea of a Catholic exalting the Sabbath sounds particularly peculiar in the American context. In the United States, Catholics were never the great proponents of Sabbatarianism, observing Sunday as a special day, for worship or rest. That was a Protestant thing.

It is important to pay attention to actual historical facts, rather than those that are utilized to promote an agenda."

Yes you are right facts are important, and especially for a supporter of the RC church. As this goes right to the endtime question of allegiance either to Christ or antichrist, whom you pretend does not exist.

The anit-christ does exist, and is alive an well. He just exist in more places than some are willing to admit. And it is important to pay attention to actual facts and behaviors that pertian to history, rather than agendized approaches which are created to prove points. The facts are that Sunday Blue laws were a prodestent action which was protest by Catholics rather than encouraged. The current additidude of Pope Fracis seems to be more amenable to treating Sunday as sacred, but it is not stated directly.

National Sunday blue laws were rejected in this country in the late ninteen century (1888) which was conicidentally the first publication of the Great Controversy. Sunday laws and Saturday laws (believe it or not,) still exist on the books in many States, but they have been greatly diminished in the 21 century in the era of the 24 hour society.

 

Leon  

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