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Let's start with #2, "The Trinity"

"Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages” (RH June 1, 1905)

“The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of eachellen white pillars[Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.” (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268)

“The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” (Ellen White SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129)

“Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ”(James White, December 11, 1855, james white pillarsReview & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16)

“The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine JN Andrews pillarsdestroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush.” (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185)

1 Corinthians 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

"Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denomination's Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity." George Knight, Ministry, October 1993, p. 10.

"Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of 'present truth'. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord…the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventsists." William G. Johnsson, Adventist Review, Jan 6, 1994, p. 10.

The 1874 statements, by Uriah Smith, published in the June 4 Signs of the Times:

1. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual Being, the Creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal; infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. Psalm 139:7. [Where can I go from Thy spirit? or where can I flee from Thy presence?]

2. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the One by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist…"

But, the 28 fundamentals say:

2. The Trinity
There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal
PersonsGod is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever
present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known
through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and
service by the whole creation. (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14;
Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Tim. 1:17; Rev. 14:7.)

"He", as in the unity of all 3." Weird.  I don't want to agree with that.  They will deny you membership if you don't?  I'd like to see them try and take my membership again.  I believe God will not let them enforce this baleful church legislation.

   "The revelation of Himself that God has given in His Word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. . . . None are to indulge in speculation regarding His nature. Here silence is eloquence. The Omniscient One is above discussion." The Faith I Live By p. 40.

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101 you are teaching the heresy of Modalism...

101 you may have misunderstood the Trinity. We don't base our belief on the Hebrew or the Greek word used for God but on who the bible says these three individuals are; they are God in the fullest sense and Ellen White agrees with this... You are creating a straw man... 

I have given enough evidence and have pages of quotes showing that there is a Father and a Son alone.  The Son came as an Angel, as an invisible Spirit and as a man and now comes again in His invisible form working in us.

My discussion with you is over.  I am not interested in your debate.  If you think I am leaving because there is no proof to what I believe, I have over 60 pages of a year of study of the history and inspiration.  You can do your own for you have not a teachable spirit but as in all other forums you are in on here, your arrogance shows in your remarks.

The Truth about Arianism

“An erroneous charge was circulated that all who were called Arians believed that Christ was a created being. [Footnote: It is doubtful if many believed Christ to be a created being. Generally, those evangelical bodies who opposed the papacy and who were branded as Arians confessed both the divinity of Christ and that He was begotten, not created, by the Father. They recoiled from other extreme deductions and speculations concerning the Godhead.]” — (Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant, p. 92)

“Whether the teachings of Arius were such as are usually represented to us or not, who can say? Phillipus Limborch doubts that Arius himself ever held that Christ was created instead of being begotten [Footnote: Limborch, The History of the Inquisition, page 95].” — (Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant, p. 142)

“The three divisions which were plucked up were the Heruli in 493, the Vandals in 534, and the Ostrogoths in 538 A.D. Justinian, the emperor, whose seat was at Constantinople, working through the general Belisarius, was the power which overthrew the three kingdoms represented by the three horns, and the reason for their overthrow was their adherence to Arianism in opposition to the orthodox Catholic faith. The details of the overthrow, and the religious controversy which was the root of the trouble, are fully given by Gibbon in the “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,” — (S.N. Haskell, The Story of Daniel the Prophet, p. 117, 1908) Further, “The contest between Arianism and the orthodox Catholicism was the means of enthroning the papacy.” — (lbid, p. 266)

The third highest being in honor

The following shows that after the Father and the Son, created beings are next in honor. There are only 2 BEINGS that are divine. We see from inspiration that a created being, BEFORE and AFTER the fall, is next in honour to the Son. There is no 3 rd God being but only a 3rd person in the Heavenly Trio. This 3rd person Is, as we shall see, none other than the omnipresence of the Son of God.

Before the Fall

“Satan, who was once a beautiful angel in the heavenly courts, became a fallen angel because he did not want to occupy a secondary place, but to be next to God. He would have the Lord Jesus become second to him, for his own glory was very precious in his own sight. He was jealous of Christ, the Saviour. Study the Word of God, and see what this jealousy led to in the end. There is nothing to be gained by jealousies. Although in the beginning Satan was an exalted angel of great glory in the heavenly courts, that glory became extinguished through his craving to be the highest one next to God.” — (Ellen G. White, Ms74-1910, March 20, 1910)

"Satan, the chief of the fallen angels, once had an exalted position in heaven. He was next in honor to Christ." {RH, February 24, 1874 par. 33}

“We are all to understand that there is a fallen angel who was once next to Christ in honor among the heavenly host”. - TDG 256.2

After the Fall

"Gabriel... stands next in honor to the Son of God is the one chosen to open the purposes of God to sinful men."—DA 99

Son “Made Equal” to the Father

We must be clear that the Son of God is divine and NOT a created being. It is not revealed to mortals nor was any created being present when the Son was begotten but we are told that there was a beginning to the Father and the Son being separate from each other and that is when the Son was begotten. In addition to this, the angels were able to be deceive because even the less exalted angels thought that LUCIFER was the RULER OF HEAVEN.

“His (Lucifer’s) work of deception was done in so great secrecy that the angels in less exalted positions supposed that he was the Ruler of heaven. - TDG 256.2

The following account from the pen of Ellen White is taken from the book The Story of Redemption. Prayerfully consider what is said. You will find that previously held ideas may need to be let go for the Father exalted the Son and Lucifer contended that He should have been exalted instead. In the next section, you will see more about this rebellion and what was sought to be obscured by the fallen angels and more about what Lucifer got up a warfare over.

“Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone.”

The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon His Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ, His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was His Son to work in union with Himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out His will and His purposes but would do nothing of Himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in Him. Lucifer was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ. Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, he bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred. Christ had been taken into the special counsel of God in regard to His plans, while Lucifer was unacquainted with them. He did not understand, neither was he permitted to know, the purposes of God. But Christ was acknowledged sovereign of heaven, His power and authority “to be” the same as that of God Himself. Lucifer thought that he was himself a favorite in heaven among the angels. He had been highly exalted, but this did not call forth from him gratitude and praise to his Creator. He aspired to the height of God Himself. He gloried in his loftiness. He knew that he was honored by the angels. He had a special mission to execute. He had been near the great Creator, and the ceaseless beams of glorious light enshrouding the eternal God had shone especially upon him. He thought how angels had obeyed his command with pleasurable alacrity. Were not his garments light and beautiful? Why should Christ thus be honored before himself? He left the immediate presence of the Father, dissatisfied and filled with envy against Jesus Christ. Concealing his real purposes, he assembled the angelic host. He introduced his subject, which was himself. As one aggrieved, he related the preference God had given Jesus to the neglect of himself. He told them that henceforth all the sweet liberty the angels had enjoyed was at an end. For had not a ruler been appointed over them, to whom they from henceforth must yield servile honor? He stated to them that he had called them together to assure them that he no longer would submit to this invasion of his rights and theirs; that never would he again bow down to Christ; that he would take the honor upon himself which should have been conferred upon him, and would be the commander of all who would submit to follow him and obey his voice. {SR 13.1-14.2} EMPHASIS IN QUOTES ADDED

We are told that the Son GAVE BACK the scepter and the Father gave the Son GLORY. This shows as well that the Son was “made equal” to the Father even though He was of the same fabric as the Father from whom He was begotten before anything was ever created.

“Jesus might have remained at the Father’s side. He might have retained the glory of heaven, and the homage of the angels. But He chose to give back the scepter into the Father’s hands, and to step down from the throne of the universe, that He might bring light to the benighted, and life to the perishing.” - DA 22.4

"... And coveting the glory with which the infinite Father had invested His Son, this prince of angels [Lucifer] aspired to power that was the prerogative of Christ alone." — {PP 35.2}

The Father and His Son alone.  there is no 3rd being.  Christ comes to us in His spiritual form as He can work independently of His humanity

“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3 “The whole nation called God their Father, and if Jesus had done this in the same sense in which they did, the Pharisees would not have been so enraged. But they accused Jesus of blasphemy, showing that they understood that Christ claimed God as His Father IN THE VERY HIGHEST SENSE.” (Ellen G. White, Review and Herald, 5th March 1901, ‘Lessons from the Christ-life’)

“Satan was of the highest order of angels; but Christ was above all. He was the commander of all Heaven. He imparted to the angelic family the high commands of his Father. ‘ {3SG 36.1}

“The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world. ... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God said to His Son, “Let us make man in our image.” — (E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pp. 24-25)

“The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.” — (Ellen G. White, The Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898)

“Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father—one in nature, in character, in purpose—the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God” {PP 1890}

“God and Christ alone know what the souls of men have cost.” — (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, January 13, 1909)

“God informed Satan that to his Son alone he would reveal his secret purposes, and he required all the family in heaven, even Satan, to yield him implicit, unquestioned obedience;” — (E. G. White, Signs of the Times, Jan 9, 1879)

“By Christ the work upon which the fulfillment of God's purpose rests was accomplished. This was the agreement in the councils of the Godhead. The Father purposed in counsel with His Son” 21MR p. 54.3

“No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known only to the Father and the Son.”-BEcho, 1895

“And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”(EGW, R&H Jul 13, 1905)

“The human family cost God and his Son Jesus Christ an infinite price.” — (EGW, SpTEd, p. 21, 1896)

“And in order that the human family might have no excuse because of Satan's temptations, Christ became one with them. The only Being who was one with God lived the law in humanity.” {TMK 363.3}

“In the plan to save a lost world, the counsel was between them both; the covenant of peace was between the Father and the Son.” — (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, December 23, 1897)

“But in the transgression of man both the Father and the Son were dishonored.” — (EGW, ST, December 12, 1895)

“Father and Son are pledged to fulfill the terms of the everlasting covenant.” — (EGW, The Youth's Instructor, June 14, 1900)

“All the heavenly angels are at the service of the humble, believing people of God; and as the Lord's army of workers here below sing their songs of praise, the choir above join with them in thanksgiving, ascribing praise to God and to His Son.” — (Ellen G. White, Testimonies Volume 7, p. 17, 1902)

“In your hands will be placed a golden harp, and touching its strings, you will join with the redeemed host in filling all heaven with songs of praise to God and His Son.” — (Ellen G. White, (Australasian) Union Conference Record, January 15, 1903)

“In the beginning, the Father and the Son had rested on the Sabbath after their work of Creation.” — (EGW, DA, p. 769)

“The Father and the Son rested after Their work of Creation.” — (Ellen G. White, MS 25, pp. 3-4, 1898)

“From eternity there was a complete unity between the Father and the Son. They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character.” — (E.G. White, The Youth's Instructor, December 16, 1897)

“The only Being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter's bench with His earthly parent.” — (Ellen G. White, Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897)

“Christ the Word, the only-begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,-one in nature, in character, and in purpose, the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ, the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings.” — (Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, p. 493)

Satan had sympathizers in heaven, and took large numbers of the angels with him. God and Christ and heavenly angels were on one side, and Satan on the other. {GW92 86.1}

EGW made a distinction between the Father, Jehovah, the only true God, and His Son.

"He was not the Father but in Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and yet He calls to a suffering world, "Come unto me, all ye that labor, and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Ellen G. White, Letter 8a, July 7, 1890, To M. J. Church, Manuscript Release Volume 20, MR1444)

"The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" 5SDABC p. 1129, ms 140, 1903.

"The Son of God shared the Father's throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircled both." PP p. 36 1890

"Jehovah, the eternal, self-existent, uncreated One, Himself the Source and Sustainer of all, is alone entitled to supreme reverence and worship." Patriarchs and Prophets 305.4, 1890

"The stately tread of the Lord Jehovah and of his Son" on Sinai. ST, Dec 11, 1879

"Jehovah is the only true God, and He is to be reverenced and worshiped." 6T p.166, 1901

They are two distinct individuals.

"I have often seen the lovely Jesus, that He is a person. I asked Him if His Father was a person and had a form like Himself. Said Jesus, "I am in the express image of My Father's person." Ellen White, Early Writings, page 77 1851

"From eternity there was a complete unity between the Father and the Son. They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character." Ellen G. White, Youth's Instructor December 16, 1897

"The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,-all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King." "But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of His Father. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He approaches the Father, with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing." Ellen White Desire of Ages p. 834 1898

"The Lord Jesus came to this world to represent the Father. He did not represent God as an essence pervading nature, but as a personal being. Christians should bear in mind that God has a personality as verily as has Christ." Ellen G. White 'A Warning of Danger'. St. Helena, Cal., Sept. 23, 1903.

To the Teachers in Emmanuel Missionary College, Spalding and Magan's Unpublished Manuscript Testimonies of Ellen G. White, page 324, 1903

"The relation between the Father and the Son, and the personality of both, are made plain in this scripture also: "Thus speaketh Jehovah of hosts, saying, Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: And He shall grow up out of His place; And He shall build the temple of Jehovah; . . . And He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon His throne; And He shall be a priest upon His throne; And the counsel of peace shall be between Them both." Ellen G. White, Testimonies to the Church Volume 8 'The Essential knowledge' 1904, see also Review and Herald March 3, 1904

"Our ministers must be very careful not to enter into controversy in regard to the personality of God. This is a subject that they are not to touch. It is a mystery, and the enemy will surely lead astray those who enter into it. We know that Christ came in person to reveal God to the world. God is a person and Christ is a person. Christ is spoken of in the Word as "the brightness of His Father's glory, and the express image of His person." Ellen G. White, Talk given on May 18, 1904, Sermons and talks, Volume one, page 341, Manuscript 46, 1904, 'The Foundation of our Faith'

"Christ is one with the Father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages. Read the prayer of Christ in the seventeenth chapter of John, and you will find this point clearly brought out." Ellen G. White to the delegates at the 1905 General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, Takoma Park Washington D. C., May 19, 1905, Review and Herald, June 1, 1905,

'The Work in Washington'

But in becoming one of us, he is not only our elder Brother, but once again the Son of God.

"In His humanity He was a partaker of the divine nature. In His incarnation He gained in a new sense the title of the Son of God. Said the angel to Mary, 'The power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God' (Luke 1:35). While the Son of a human being, He became the Son of God in a new sense. Thus He stood in our world-the Son of God, yet allied by birth to the human race." EGW, 1SM 226, 227

The Life of the Son

The following quote is used by Trinitarians to prove that the Son always existed as a separate being from the Father for all eternity.

“In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived."He that hath the Son hath life."

It will be seen that the subject of the quote is that which is “IN” Christ, which is LIFE. This LIFE has no origin, is not borrowed & is not derived. The LIFE that was given to the Son by the Father is divine and has always existed in the Father. This does not mean that the Son was created as we are told He was begotten. The bible confirms that the LIFE of the Father was given to the Son. Trinitarians claim that this was speaking of His incarnation as a human but that is not how inspiration reads.

“For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;” Jn 5:26

We are told in many places that Christ was the Son of God the Father, before He was a human. Ellen White in a quote previously in this document, under the “Begotten Son of God” heading, says that as a human He, referring to Christ, became the Son of God in a new sense. The following reveals the LIFE that was in the Son.

“All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father’s life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all.” {E. G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 21}

“In plain language the Saviour taught the world that the tenderness, the compassion, and love that he manifested toward man, were the very attributes of his Fathers in heaven. Whatever doctrine of grace he presented, whatever promise of joy, whatever deed of love, whatever divine attraction he exhibited, had its source in the Father of all.” {ST, Aug 20, 1894 par. 8}

“The Father gave HIS Spirit without measure to HIS Son,” — (E.G. White, RH, November 5, 1908) “The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God,” — (E.G. White, RH, April 5, 1906)

“but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST,” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)

Good Evening Brother Rush. In treating with you question asked, I don't if they will. Some may or may not. It depends on their perspective.

On the other hand, to the individual who calls him or herself prophecy 101, I know the experience when you are of the view that you have found a good find, and you want to show what you are saying is the real deal. But, at the end of the day, the 66 books which the prophets and some of Jesus' apostles  wrote as they were inspired and under the Holy Spirit's guidance; and, which the Christian community upholds supersedes any discourse on God and His family. Thus, given that the Bible speaks from Genesis to Revelation about Jehovah, Jesus and The Holy Spirit, then that is what it is. there is no need for any discussion on that. Is either you believe, or don't believe, and dependent on your choice you as the individual have to face the consequence of your decision. 

I admonish you, and us all to let us concentrate on the real issue, saving of souls, bringing the Kingdom of God nearer to the broken hearted, destitute, the poor and so on. God bless you all

People like you should be protesting against what the Conference has done in promoting the Trinity doctrine. We would not be having this issue right now if they would not have espoused it. But they are continually promoting the Trinity error, and therefore, messengers like 101 and myself are speaking up on the matter. If we do not, the blood of souls is on our hands. The Trinity doctrine destroys the plan of redemption and creates confusion of who we are to worship. Those who are opposing what SDAs had always believed on the matter until well after Sister White's death are causing much trouble by their bickering about it without giving it a thorough study. 


Brother Ricky, how are you, hope all is well... Very interesting, I'm a little confused, I'm tryin to figure out exactly what the problem is, I know I know, there so much written on this thread, but I'm not totally understanding the problem you and prophecy 101 have.

In a nutshell what is the trinity doctrine?

Apparently in your view it's not good, and as a self proclaimed messenger you have a passion to warn the Church of this deception that has crept in.. So for me I must test to see what you say is true, and if it is, I will thank you for taking your time and shedding light on this subject.

I don't know about Pro. 101, seems to be done with posting and discussing this subject, which on the surface doesn't look good, there must be discussion, but it must be done in the right Spirit. There must be a level of patience with those like myself who doesn't know what the problem is and is having trouble understanding what is being taught.

Again, from what I've have read, there is a problem with the trinity doctrine, I'm not sure of your view of the trinity. My view is whether you use the term trinity or not, We are talking about the 3 persons/forms/beings of the GODhead.

This discussion is about trying to understand the Mysteries of GOD, and of course we know that's impossible, however the Bible does gives us some understanding... How HE is ONE at the same time Three, that being GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Spirit. That's the mystery right there, how can ONE be 3 and Three be 1??? Not for us to know.

Also from what I read there are views on the Holy Spirit that seems to imply isn't a being, like GOD the Father and GOD the Son. GOD the Holy Spirit is a mystery as well..

EGW writes: "It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, “the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father.” It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, “He shall not speak of Himself.” John 15:26; 16:13. – {AA 51.3}

EGW writes: "The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden." – {AA 52.1}

That being said, we know GOD the Holy Spirit is of the Godhead, just like GOD the Son is...

EGW writes: "Christ had not ceased to be God when He became man. Though He had humbled Himself to humanity, the Godhead was still His own. Christ alone could represent the Father to humanity, and this representation the disciples had been privileged to behold for over three years." – {DA 663.5}

The Holy Spirit is of the GODhead, and "It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, “He shall not speak of Himself.” John 15:26; 16:13. – {AA 51.3}".



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