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I ask that this nastiness between Elijah and James cease and desist immediately. It is horrible to watch and it is not of God. If it is a matter of pride then that needs to be dealt with...whatever it is, it must stop. I have just returned to this site after being away for years..I left because of similar things here. It mixes into all the conversations these 2 post....it does not belong here..it does not belong anywhere...

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Quite true Freedom But when someone continually tells others what a poor specimen they are, and how superior he is, one feels one must bring him to heel. Not an easy task because he has nor respect for any of the site rules, in fact, he should not even be here if the site rules were upheld. 

Somebody has to take the higher ground, Elijah.

In all honesty you two have become as bad as each other, neither of you are showing a Christian response to the other and, as FiH says, you are perpetuating the ugliness.

Why not give a Bible-, SoP- or rules-based response? It is a much better look for you (and, by extension the rest of us) if you tackle him on a these bases.

You took the higher ground before, please try it again. You don't have to stop responding, just don't break the rules yourself in your responses.

Remember, this site depends on self-moderation.

Thanks for your advice JohnB. I am doing my best to be a good Christian but when you encounter such an obnoxious person my natural instinct is to call him out for what he is. 

Thanks Again JohnB God bless.  

Freedom: didn’t you see my two posts with my proposal of not addressing John, Elijah and Jason or anyone else that is nasty? Those were posted last evening.

I also will be posting positively about the Adventist Medical System etc. 

No I had left. Do whatever you think will ease the issue...

That is too bad. I think you should reconsider? Give it a bit of time, and come back and see if things have quieted down, and in fact I am not contributing to the problem now and will not do so. Someone might get offended in the future about some post or Bible research I may post, as people can be offended for cause or for no reasonable reason? Therefore I would not respond if that comes up.

In other words I have taken myself out of the equation. There is some bitter in-fighting among membership here even so. That is not my doing.

No one has commented on my change of direction moving to a more positive approach. It would be wishful thinking to expect anything different. I am going to address the wonderful things Jesus Christ has done for us and I will elaborate about the excellent Adventist Health System also, as well as other positive things about the SDA.

If anyone objects to this direction, well that is their problem and not mine, I will not respond with negativity, just ignore it.

Spiritually there is still only one body of Christ according to scripture, and the unity of the body working together in the love of God is very important.

Whether you come back or not, I wish you the best and may God's blessings be rained upon you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen!

I am back and forth. What a shame there is noone to administrate.

Actually, every one of us is here to moderate their own behaviour and counsel each other, so, we should not need to have an administrator or moderator.

Sadly, as the heart is, so the mouth speaks. But we can also choose to moderate our own behaviour.

OK, FINE I'LL DO IT.  "5 MINUTE TIME OUT"   

LOL   THE DISCUSSIONS AND ARGUMENTS ARE OK,  WE SHOULD NOT INSULT EACH OTHER THOUGH.  AND HONESTLY, NONE OF US HAS A PERFECTLY CLEAR AND 100% DIVINE UNDERSTANDING OF GOD AND HIS THOUGHTS.  WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS AND THAT IS OK.  MOST THEOLOGY ARGUMENTS ARE PETTY AND NOT SALVATION ISSUES. 

As usual RICK, you are reasonable, logical and Biblically minded and also show common sense and the desire to keep and pursue peace, unity, and love manifested. Very good. We have never had a difficult argument or disagreement, though I do not hold to all SDA doctrines, but believe many that I believe agree with the Bible and God's principles. Likewise, you probably would not agree with everything I think is true etc.

The Christians are often at each other's throats with a knife figuratively speaking. The Devil has done an excellent job of dividing up the one body of Christ, which in truth is only one spiritual body. Those born again will eventually spend all eternity together. Fortunately in that state of perfect mind, new body and no evil sources present, we will all get along like peas in a pod.

Four things are supposed to separate the Christian from the unbeliever;

1. Has received the gift of holy spirit, the gift of God, the token of (good faith pledge that God will fulfill the rest of his promises including eternal life; the Arrabon: (See below taken from Biblehub).

2. The fruit of the spirit which comes by renewing one's mind to the Word of God and practicing those principles along with # 3:

3. Manifest the love of God. Love of God and the scriptures as we renew our minds are supposed to motivate us to:

4. Manifest the Power of God via the 9 manifestations of holy spirit that every believer has the God given ability to do, as gifts which is italicized in the KJV informs us that that word has been added by the translators and has no corresponding word in the manuscripts (text).

Jesus said those that believe will speak with new tongues, lay hands on the sick etc. Most believers never do #4 unfortunately.

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VERY TRUE JAMES, THANKS.   I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN,

WHAT RUINED THE JEWS/HEBREWS AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD?  THE SABBATH AND "RELIGIOUS" ASPECT OF THEIR LIVES BECAME THEIR "GOD". 

THE "RELIGION" (WHICH INCLUDES WORSHIP, RITUALS AND "KEEPING OF COMMANDMENTS") WAS WHAT THEY LIVED FOR, THEY FORGOT THE LOVE AND HUMANITY WITH EACH OTHER AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY FORGOT THEIR LOVE FOR GOD.

SADLY OUR SDA ORGANIZATION IS IN SIMILAR WATERS.  NEXT YEAR IS DECLARED TO THE THE YEAR OF JUBILEE.  YET NO DEBTS WILL BE FORGIVEN  BY THE CONFERENCE TO SMALL CHURCHES AND COMPANIES WHO HAVE BORROWED FROM THEM FOR VARIOUS REASONS.  I'M SURE NON OF THE SCHOOLS AND HEALTH INSTITUTIONS WILL BE FORGIVING DEBTS. 

ALL DENOMINATIONS AND OTHER RELIGIONS RELY ON THE "RELIGIOUS ASPECT" OF WORSHIP AND COMPENSATE IT FOR "A RELATIONSHIP" WITH GOD.  IE:  IF YOU GO TO CHURCH EVERY WEEK YOU MAY BE SEEN AS A GOOD CHRISTIAN, BUT.......

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