It's been awhile since I have posted, and much has happened in that time. God has shown me so much of our filth and guilt. The SDA church claims to have come out of Babylon, while the rest of the Body is still in confusion, yet I ask, is She really?
There are still Tammuz trees in the sanctuary every December. It is acknowledged that Christ wasn't born on the 25th, which is actually the birthday of several pagan gods that we inherited from catholicism, but it is never taught that He was most likely born during the Feast of Tabernacles, which is literally about God dwelling with mankind.
Every easter, which is literally a transliteration of the name of a pagan goddess of fertility and another inherited tradition from catholicism, there is an easter program, that while it may not take place on sunday, still recognizes the solemnity of the day, while never truly acknowledging that fact that Christ was literally the Passover Lamb and was crucified on that day, as well as raised on First fruits.
Christ is called Jesus, which is an amalgamation of the Greek word GE, (there was no letter J until the 1500's), which means earth, and the Latin word SUS, which means pig or swine. This speaks directly to Antiochus Epiphanes and the pig he sacrificed in the temple during the Maccabean era. Put together, the name means earth pig, instead of His given name Yashua, which literally means YHVH is Salvation. Again, another inherited tradition from catholicism.
The very word "church" comes from the Greek word CIRCE, which refers to an ancient sorceress who deceived people. She was the daughter of the sun. THE DAUGHTER OF THE SUN! She was a harlot who changed men into pigs. In the Greek of the New Testament, the Body of Christ is called the Ecclesia, (which means the gathering of people) not the church\circe, (which is where we get the word circle, as in circle of the sun) even though the word existed, because the writers knew what that word represented. That word in reference to the Body, also came from catholicism.
These are just a few examples of many, so i must ask honestly, have we truly came out of Babylon? I encourage everyone reading this to do your own research and don't take my word for it. It's not even that hard to find. I advice you to look in encyclopedias and books about etymology (the study of words and their origins), so you can avoid any biased information towards or against what I have been led to share. Be blessed and happy studying.
Respectfully, it would be much more beneficial to study from unbiased sources. Using an Adventists article to prove that Christmas isn't pagan, is like a catholic using a catechism to prove why sunday is the Lord's day.
Charlie, my brother,
When one reads an excerpt from some an Adventist tutor advocating for Adventist adherents like yourself to celebrate Christmas, because there is nothing pagan about it, and although they don't know what they they just go along with everyone else and use it "to tell about Jesus", brother well you know that some of your members real far gone - they get soft. Just to point out every year, Jesus never gets old you know - he is always a baby. Every year, saint Nicholas is highly regard. According to Luke, Mary became pregnant after she came from spending time with Elizabeth. It is not pagan, but it call for one of the main elements of pagan festives - making merry, eating an drinking to one's heart content. Is the poor really of a concern, or is it the fact that year on year, at that time, people just give a morsel to show they have some semblance o care? Do they consider the poor and destitute after the 25th Dec? Finally, did the Donatists just start celebrating on December 25th just so? From whom did they learn that, or who gave them that instruction?
Let's educate and get this thing right folks. Jesus was not a baby when the wise men came. They didn't arrive in December; As far it is no known, Jesus' posse and their followers never celebrate their Boss's birth. And if folks argue that they following Jesus example but doing opposite then they are lying no? Why not tell and point others back to God just like Jesus did that that they would be an excuse for you to take part in the Christmas celebration? And on a point of order, is Mrs. White, Jehovah or Jesus Christ? So,why are you taking instructions from her?
Yes, Garth Typical response is it not? True Jesus is not a Baby and I do not think anyone was suggesting this. The Point is that for the world at large we find two openings to give the message about Jesus, Christmas and Easter. You do not like EGW that is plain as the nose on your face, but for us who have some respect for her, it is good advice. Most SDA knows that Christ was not born December 25 but they do grasp the opening for sharing Jesus at that season. No one would be lying why would they? I think the biggest liar around here is those who treat the Bible as a thing you can select verses to suit your own arguments and not caring about other verses speak against you.
Thank you for your response, and to rebut your statement, permit me to ask this fear question how many Adventist in your circle do you know of that come out of their house on that day to go house to house and have a talk about God? For Jesus came to point/direct mankind back to God.
On the other hand, I can deal with any biblical segments presented. I do not believe in taking a piece of verse and attempting to justify it with another verse. one can create a distorted picture and miss the beauty of the book.
On the other hand, think the presenter of this tread is posing some serious questions that should make many of us think, are we really heaven ready. When Jehovah says it is time to reign things in are we ready? Would anyone of us be in the first resurrection?
Garth do you know why Jesus came ? What text are you using to prove that he solely came to point mankind back to God?
You said you did not believe in taking a verse and attempting to justify it with another verse ? What are you saying here? Do you understand how doctrines are deduced from the Bible?
What serious question has the presenter of this thread provided? Has he used any Bible verse to substantiate his claims ? What facts has he presented? He is simply regurgitating what he read on some websites or simply concocting things. How do you know whether what he said is Truth? And, furthermore is there any merit in what he is saying? He doesn't even understand the basic doctrines of the Bible and salvation...
According to the bible how do we get ready for Jesus/Jehovah return ?
Thank you for your reply Garth, It is clear to me already that you have a strange understanding of what the Bible says and how you build doctrines in conformity with the Bible. If you look at the28 fundamentals of the SDAC you will find how you build a doctrine. Not the way you were doing just getting one verse and build your ideas on that even when you were shown that what you had done was not in keeping with the other parts of the Bible. With regards to the Beauty of the Bible, I would think it would be more Beautiful as a harmonious whole, where everything fits together. I am not too sure what the presenter of this thread has in mind apart from finger pointing.
Jason I know why Jesus came, and it is for the sole purpose of reconciling us to the one who sent Him, Jehovah. Thus, Jesus came to point mankind, or lead mankind to return to the Almighty, so that in so doing they can be save from the Almighty Jehovah's wrath to come. Did not a biblical author said that He sent His Son to mankind that while they were living how they desire, He was reconciling them through His Son. And did we no read from another Biblical author who shared with us that when Jesus said it was finish that the veil in the temple was split in half?
On the other hand, what is doctrines? Man's interpretation of a particular verse and which is hold among the body of that particular adherent? No my argument to you is to look for the appreciation/understanding of the vers/biblical segment in the context of the chapter or book it was taken from. For many at times many miss the purpose or intent of what the author is attempting to convey or what the author is attempting to say what God is saying.
On the other hand, yes the presenter has some merit to the arguments he posit. I can add to it, but the salvation of many is more important. So let it be as it is.
So how are we reconciled to God. Is it through the death of Jesus? If it is, will all then be saved? And why did John the Baptist and Jesus both started their ministry with Repent...?
Yes, we are reconciled to God, because of Jesus death; however, one has to accept that fact and make the choice to turn to and have a relationship with God. If that individual doesn't then he or she would face the consequence of their action at the second judgement. God even showed Jesus that when He decides to close up shop on this planet, and He begins to reign judgement via His angels and through the plagues that would descend on the unrepentant, He would still reach out to them, but they would still refuse Him. Thus, making it clear that God is just.
John and Jesus begun with repent for they came to turn the people life back to God. I believe the biblical authors presented it correct when they said Jesus presented the good news about God's kingdom.
And how do we have a relationship with the Father according to the bible?
GE -SYS :This way ofexplaining the name of Christ is plain nonsense !
One of the points of this post is to shine some light onto what has been lost through time and tradition, namely the fact that Tabernacles and Passover are actually more relevant to the miraculous birth and sacrificial death of Christ. These events would be great opportunities to share Christ with non-believers and actually have the added benefit of being Truth based on the Bible and not tradition based on man. Honestly, I can't think of anyone who has ever been saved because of ChristMASS or easter, but I can name countless people that lost faith in Christ because they learned that the easter bunny and santa clause were fake, so they reasoned that the very "reason for the season" must also be false.