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How common and acceptable is alcohol consumption nationwide and worldwide in SDA church?

Hi. I'm just wondering as I've heard that some SDA's drink. I came to the church from the world and drank socially before I learned that God had a better way of life for me. I completely gave up alcohol though I am not an alcoholic and I don't regret it as I am an example to my children that alcohol is not crucial to have fun, relax, socialize, feel better or any other reasons that people use alcohol. I'm not a legalist though-I use chamomile tea to relax and have taken prescribed narcotic RX responsibly in the rare times needed. I also eat chocolate.

An important aspect of drinking is that it impairs judgement which means that someone could forget something important, say something that they shouldn't or find it harder to resist of various kinds. People who don't drink probably have an easier time not fornicating.

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Hi Nicole,
Here is the issue within our church - Ellen White, our prophetess, stated time and tme again that alcohol should not be drank by Gods people, due to it's unhealthy effects on our minds and bodies - she is correct............. but does God agree with her?

Well........................ You decide when God says that the ancients were to buy and drink strong drink for their festivals what does that mean? There are numerous times in the Bible showing God seeming to condone alcoholic drinking but one portion of Scripture that I like to use is this -

Proverbs 31:4-7 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes to lust for strong drink; (5) lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. (6) Give strong drink to him who is ready to perish, and wine to those who are of heavy hearts. (7) Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Compare that to:
Revelation 1:6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

We shall be kings and priests (princes) to God - therefore the restrictions in proverbs I believe apply to us. Does this mean it is a sin to drink alcohol? Absolutely not, for it were a sin to drink alcohol then God gave persmission to sin during the feasts and other times - it simply is a warning to Gods people, if you want to be of a sound mind and serve God and your fellow man with a clear mind in observance of Gods law, do not drink.

As for your query is alcohol drinking common and acceptable in the SDA church - none that I know of and I am reasonably certain that any of our ministers worth his salt would rebuke any member doing such things. If a man or woman was to have say a glass of wine now and then maybe the minister wouldnt say anything but I think they should and I know sister White would rebuke any minister not rebuking that member. There is enough dismissal of our standards, if we keep going the way some would have us there would be no distinctions between SDA's and the rest of the world. Hope this helps........

Gods peace
Ron
The Loma Linda University Adventist Health study of 97,000 SDA demonstrated that only 4% of SDAs are vegan compared to 6% who drink alcohol.
Our prophet also verified this:

"As a denomination we are in the fullest sense total abstainers from the use of spirituous liquors, wine, beer, cider, and also tobacco and all narcotics, and are earnest workers in the cause of temperance. All are vegetarians, many abstaining wholly from the use of flesh food, while others use it in only the most moderate degree." --Letter 99, 1894. {4BIO 119.1}
Let not one drop of wine or liquor pass your lips, for in its use is madness and woe. Pledge yourself to entire abstinence, for it is your only safety. . . . --Manuscript 25, 1893

But for full disclosure: Ellen White did drink a little when medically needed and authorized others to do so also. Each circumstance is different. Ellen White was a resonable person.

James White wrote :

"During the past year. Mrs. W. has, at three or four times, had feelings of great debility and faintness in the morning ... To prevent distressing faintness at these times ,she, immediately after rising, had taken an EGG in a little pure domestic ,grape WINE ... During the past year she may have used one pint of wine." RH March 17, 1868

Ellen White encourage a pregnant woman to have a little wine:

"Her system craved material to convert into blood, but he would not provide it. A moderate amount of milk and sugar, and a little salt, white bread raised with yeast for a change, graham flour prepared in a variety of ways by other hands than her own, plain cake with raisins, rice pudding with raisins, prunes, and figs, occasionally, and many other dishes I might mention, would have answered the demand of appetite. If he could not obtain some of these things, a little domestic wine would have done her no injury; it would have been better for her to have it than to do without it. In some cases, even a small amount of the least hurtful meat would do less injury than to suffer strong cravings for it." {2T 383.4}

Hope this helps ...
Medicines are to be used when you are ill. If you take it each day then you are not ill be addicted and perhaps a little rebelious because one can not take authority. Being too long on the computer could also be a problem. It affects the mind by taking it away from the time God wants from us.
It is also known that our early institutions did not allow alcohol in their meds:

"The watchword at the portals of this institution is total abstinence from alcohol in every form. There are no alcoholic tinctures in medicines, no mild tonics, reinforced by other stimulants or narcotics, but total abstinence from the use of alcohol in any form, whether mixed with malt, quinine, ginger, eggs, milk, cider, or lemonade." {RH, February 10, 1885 par. 9}

Our prophet also had this to say about it:

"The patients must not be given alcohol, tea, coffee, or drugs; for these always leave traces of evil behind." KC 85
I AGREE- WE ARE TO HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST- BEFORE I CAME TO THE LORD - I MYSELF DRANK ALCOHOL AND BELIEVE ME I DON'T MISS IT ONE BIT. BUT IF I DON'T SPEND QUALITY TIME WITH THE LORD FIRST THING IN THE MORNING- I REALLY NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE IN MY SPIRIT. JUST AS WE MAKE SURE WE EAT TO FEED OUR TUMMY- WE NEED TO SPEND THAT QUALITY TIME WITH THE LORD TO FEED OUR SPIRIT.- GOD BLESS- LEONA
Some wide spread generalizational judgments on groups of people here. I think it is best to walk in someone's moccasins for a mile before trying to cast judgments upon them. Things are not so clear cut as they might seem so some. Praise God ... HE is our judge.

I've never had a drop of alcohol in my entire life. But for sure I am not going to cast judgment on the hearts of those who have.
You are right Kat, liberalism is attempting to come into the church - much like it is attempting to take over our country.

I have seen gay adventist groups, I have seen Adventist groups that totally denounce Sister White, of course we are all familiar with the feast keeping, anti-trinity and even charismatic adventists.

Remember - that the tares shall grow together with the wheat.

I am certainly not perfect myself, there are certain prophetic points that I disagree with, not that the SDA view is necessarily "wrong" I merely think there may be other methods of fulfillment, no the 2300 days is not one I disagree with lol.

All we can do is this - pray for the members of our church, pray earnestly for those who have to deal with this liberalism first hand - but pray that the Spirit of God will touch those falling into that trap and bring them out of it.

Gods peace
Ron
Fermented "wine is a mocker". It will make a fool out of anyone.

It is important, I think, to consider that "wine" in the Bible sometimes refers to unfermented juice, while at other times it refers to juice that has gone through the rotting process.

If the "wine" that Jesus provided for the people at Cana was fermented wine [and He provided 6 water pots (at about 20 gallons each), -- all filled to the brim with wine] then He in no way discourages drinking alcohol in moderation.

But no! Marriage is honorable, but what is fermented wine? It is a mocker, and there is no honor in the work of a mocker. Yet whatever Jesus did, He did to the glory of God. Can any semblance of drunken revelry glorify God? Never.

SC
Correcting my earlier thought about Jesus providing the marriage festivities in Cana with more than 120 gallons of wine.

If that wine was fermented, intoxicating wine, then Jesus destroys even the worldly notion of 'drinking in moderation'. He would not encourage moderation in such circumstances, but rather, excess.

That "wine" was provided toward the end of the celebrations, and again, if it was all intoxicating wine, then He openly encourages drunken excess and revelry. The people had almost exhausted their supply, and now suddenly here is a large new supply... Do we hear the drunken cheer? No.

SC
HELLO: IT IS AMAZING HOW WITH THIS CONVERSATION CONCERNING THIS - HOW THINGS COME TO MIND. I JUST REMEMBERED HEARING SOMETHING OF THIS VERY NATURE CONCERNING THE WINE. I THINK IT WAS MY PASTOR SO WHEN HE COMES BACK FROM HIS HOLIDAYS I WILL ASK HIM. I RECALL WHEN I HEARD IT - IT WAS A WHOLE NEW CONCEPT. BECAUSE I HAD THOUGHT THAT IT WAS WINE AS THE WORLD KNOWS IT TO BE BUT COMING FROM JESUS IT WOULDN'T BE BUT ANYTHING THAT HE TOUCHES IS FAR GREATER THAN ONE CAN IMAGINE . BUT TO RECEIVE BY FAITH IN ITS ENTIRE ESSENCE OF DIVINE PURITY. THIS IS TRULY INTERESTING IN DEED. GOD BLESS- LEONA

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