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In America schools, teaching children about LGBT's, Transgenders, and etc. has now become the norm. If I have children, HOMESCHOOL!

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Liberalism is not all about teaching gender neutrality in schools. It can take many forms. Read this quote below: 

"In giving ourselves to God, we must necessarily give up all that would separate us from Him. Hence the Saviour says, "Whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:33. Whatever shall draw away the heart from God must be given up. Mammon is the idol of many. The love of money, the desire for wealth, is the golden chain that binds them to Satan. Reputation and worldly honor are worshiped by another class. The life of selfish ease and freedom from responsibility is the idol of others. But these slavish bands must be broken. We cannot be half the Lord's and half the world's. We are not God's children unless we are such entirely.

There are those who profess to serve God, while they rely upon their own efforts to obey His law, to form a right character, and secure salvation. Their hearts are not moved by any deep sense of the love of Christ, but they seek to perform the duties of the Christian life as that which God requires of them in order to gain heaven. Such religion is worth nothing. When Christ dwells in the heart, the soul willb beso filled with His love, with the joy of communion with Him, that it will cleave to Him; and in the contemplation of Him, self will be forgotten. Love to Christ will be the spring of action. Those who feel the constraining love of God, do not ask how little may be given to meet the requirements of God; they do not ask for the lowest standard, but aim at perfect conformity to the will of their Redeemer. With earnest desire they yield all and manifest an interest proportionate to the value of the object which they seek. A profession of Christ without this deep love is mere talk, dry formality, and heavy drudgery.

Jason, did you know Liberals are supporting pedophilia. 

Went you and most Americans speak about liberal and conservative, you usually refer to political and economic views, and sometimes even social; but as Adventists these terms can take a different meaning. For example a liberal in our church would see nothing wrong in drinking coffee and a little wine, they do not believe in all the 28 fundamental beliefs, they see nothing wrong in watching movies or even going to the cinema..

Okay then lets talk about liberals and conservatives in our church while adding politics.

So I'm going to tell you that I'm an anti establishment Republican with Libertarian. I can say that I'm a Libertarian but still votes Republican. 

As a Libertarian, I strongly believe in personal liberty without any government interference or from anyone. As long i'm not harming anyone, then yes i'm for personal liberty.

I'm for the legalization of pot, i'm for LGBTQ'S rights and against the U.S. Public school system but i'm fully against abortion. 

So an Adventist is free to chose his or her lifestyle since it's between them and God. We can kindly tell them that they are not doing something right but it's their choice. 

So based on the few things said here , we as Adventists would consider you an ultra Liberal .

This is just a question Jason so don't read anything into it because I am truly curious because the topic is avoided by most. What is a pro-abortion SDA considered? Are they considered a Liberal SDA or a Conservative SDA?

The topic of abortion is not like sex before marriage, masterbation, alcohol and these other straight forward questions. Adventist are not like the RC who says NO abortion yet their members go right ahead and practice abortion. If a young lady has sex and later on have an abortion this is considered a crime, but if she is rape, incest etc and she is given medication to prevent pregnancy or to stop it then this is not considered a crime. Abortion on demand is usually wrong but sometimes the medical community will suggest a late abortion for various reasons: the mother's health being at risk (fatal) , severe inoperable health issues with the baby etc, then the individual must decide and must be willing to live with the consequences of her (family) decision. But to say that all abortion is wrong is not wise or safe.. 

Bart, that is a very good question and I actually can give you a direct answer. If an Adventist supports abortion, big government, socialism, and etc are DEF Liberals. Also, if a woman chooses to be reckless and get raped, then chooses to have an abortion, then yes she is liberal.

I said that i'm a Libertarian, keep in mind that there are many branches of Libertarians, and there is pro abortion libertarians. For me, as a person who knows the true history of abortion, I would DEF argue with them and ask why they support abortion while they claim to be about "life" liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 

Also, question when Libertarians claim to be Libertarian Socialist, yeah stop using the word  socialist since if you are against big government. 

I understand what Jason is saying and the words conservative and liberal confuse issues.  I also come from a libertarian back ground.  Politics is not as important to me as it used to be.  I find the idea of the individual person some thing that God is all about through out the Bible and that freedom and the freedom to choose is a gift from God. So the basic ideas of a libertarian do agree with some basic things of the Bible and like you said I do not agree with all that Libertarians say or do.  When an SDA says they are pro-abortion or in agreement with some of the issues that Democrats are on board with I have to scratch my head because that is anti-choice, anti-individual and anti-Christian.  For example can you look to Government for all  your needs and remain loyal to God if Sunday law were to happen.  

Remember when I was homeless? My parents especially my father only applied for government assistance such as food stamps but we set ourselves to look for work so we can get off that enslavement. 

So no, I do not look for government for anything, so I during that time I would still be a Libertarian, reject government wholeheartedly since they will violate my liberty of free worship. 

I hear what you are saying and I have had struggles like you have had. As a kid I was upper middle class as a young man I was on my own and for a short time living off the kindness of others.  Thank God he is merciful to those who struggle.

What is the role of Government?  Is it to provide dependence upon subjects or is it to provide a safe place (Law and order) and equal opportunity for all and not equal out come.

Jason this is not the path to salvation. Liberal or conservative is inconsequential. We should ask what is God's purpose, and proceed in how we are directed.


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