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News Reports: Adventists calls actions to ordain women 'mistakes'



The Washington Post On Faith blog posted the following from the Religion News Service: "Adventists calls actions to ordain women 'mistakes'." The article notes the Annual Council votes and quotes from spokesperson from the Unions in question. 

Leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church on Tuesday (Oct. 16) said recent decisions by two regional bodies to allow ordained female pastors were “serious mistakes,” and women who are ordained won’t be recognized — at least for now. . . .  

 

Gerry Chudleigh, spokesman for the Pacific Union Conference, said leaders and members in his region were “grateful that the world church leaders took no punitive action against the unions that recently voted to ordain both men and women.” Since its August decision, that regional group has approved 14 women pastors for ordination and most of them have already been ordained.

 

Columbia Union Conference spokeswoman Celeste Ryan Blyden said members of her region were encouraged that “this topic is back on the agenda of the worldwide church.” Since its July decision, one woman pastor has been ordained and 14 others have been approved for ordination. 

This story was also published by the Huffington Post. The wording of the vote is not the best PR for the Silver Spring, Maryland-based leaders, especially in light of their plans to hold a massive evangelism campaign in major cosmopolitan centers. 

 

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It is not the goal of the church to be popular with the world, so it really makes no difference what the world thinks. The decision to ordain women lacks biblical standing, and the decision to go against the world church is an act or rebellion.

I agree Ezra.  Sometimes we get so independent and liberated that we forget who is in charge.  While Jesus was on earth he called 12 males to be his disciples.  Why wasn't there any females called? 

It is the goal, however of Jesus Christ to use the Church as a means of reaching the World---that is what Christianity is supposed to be about--not jut creating a "SDA Utopia" while we wait for Jesus to come.  Evangelism is actually for the world--and not "us".  Jesus met the needs of the people and was consistently at variance with the traditions of the Pharisees, but hung with those who were considered unclean and even "promoted" those that the good Church people and leaders thought should not be....even his disciples.

Not so my sister.

It is the goal of Jesus to have humble, and obedient servants that can be used by the Holy Spirit for His purposes, not what we think is right.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

Zec_4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry." The word of God is rejected in spirit, to all intents and purposes. I have been made to see this same bewitching power now as I have never seen it before,--of hatred against reproof, of stubbornness and rebellion,--to one reproved clings to his own opinions, unyielding. {PH028 15.2}

 

Shalom!

Your opinion on what you deem to be "witchcraft" is noted.

The key point being that Jesus met their needs, He did not pander to their wants or desires. I don't recall Jesus doing or saying anything just to be popular with the world. Interestingly, He did not do as the world did and choose women Apostles rather the male role-model was maintained. Jesus was consistetly at variance with all traditions that were not part of His gospel order.

Sorry Ronald but why do you say that we need to change the way the church is run?

Amen. 

The video speaks volume.  No to the ordination of women. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YXGP9K8ViRI

If some of us were around Jesus time, I guess the question would be why the twelve disciples are males? 

I know the author personally.  Good man, but there is clear disagreement by many SDA Biblical Scholars.  He also was not chosen to be on the research committee on ordination....Lance (Pastor Sylvester) also believes that a man cannot serve as a "bishop" if he is divorced or unmarried--a point that many males here on AO have "rationalized" against.   Which means that basically, hardly any males would be/are qualified--IF it were not gender inclusive....that and the fact that pastor does not necessarily equal bishop.

If some of us were around Jesus time, I guess the question would be why the twelve disciples are males? 

 

Cultural dictates of the times.  How would it have looked it Jesus (1) chose 12 women disciples as His right hands at the time?  An unmarried male, living in the Middle East, running around surrounded by a sea of women?  There is a name for that--and it isn't discipling.  (2) Having a mixed gender multitude would have even been worse.  He did not have a home, money, and the times would not have seen it as appropriate.  Abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22).

 

The opposite is also true:  To everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven (Ecclesiastes 3:1).  The SDA Church is almost 60% female world-wide and you have the homosexual epidemic that has made more males "not qualified spiritually".  It's the season and there is a necessity--most importantly, God has and is calling these women regardless of gender and the work is being done--they are bearing good fruit, which according to Scripture should be the ONLY test.

Jesus IS perfect, he was yesterday he is today and he will be tomorrow. He never let culture dictate what he  did. How many times do we see him buck the culture of the day? If it was right to have female disciples, he would have had them without regard to what those around him thought. God never changes Sarah.

I want to respond directly to this:  Christ had to respect the mores of the day--and yet show where there was error, without completely undermining his culture.

Women and children were around Jesus, women supported his ministry with their money (per scripture), and it was the women who stayed by Him at the Cross.  The first Evangelist/Preacher in scripture (which no one talks about) was the Samaritan Woman at the Well.

Jesus stated that he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill...To me, that means He knew His Calling, and it was not to directly change things, as He had a specific Purpose for our salvation.  To every thing there is a season....and it was not the season.  Otherwise we would not have had Junia (female) who Paul affirmed as an Apostle in ministry, Phoebe (deaconess), Priscilla (pastor) and others.  

God's timing is not ours.

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