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Most christians I know from in christian chatrooms say it is ok for them to have guns...it is their right so they have them and would use them.

What do you think?

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The main objective of guns is for protection but if you have your God with you, you will not worry. Remember He sent His holy angels to guide us and protect us from any harms and danger. The only thing we should do is trust in Him.

God forbid there is ever another civil war here in the states.

If you have a gun it will probably not protect you against nuclear bombs.

The bombs are going to fall.

The devestation will be so great that the time will have to be shortened... otherwise all flesh would perish.

Maybe it is time to take a step back and look at the BIG picture.

I have a sure defence and His Name is Yahweh.

Some trust in chariots but we trust in the Name of Yahweh our God.

In The Name

All these years to many ahead to think clear
Some say where's my crystal ball
Some men play the lottery
Makin' bets against the governments economy
They say I'd rather be rich than be alive at all

When men in miry circumstances fall
It won't be hard to tell where they placed their resolve

Some trust in chariots
But we trust in the name of Yahweh, our God
To each His own won't lead you home
And probably never will

I won't trust in the things I do
They will not stand, they won't come through
So I'll trust in the name of Yahweh, my God
I'll trust in the name

Picket fences may build our defense
In domestic wars of leisure suits
That's okay, it doesn't bother me
You can hold onto your philosophy
Of what's mine is mine, what's yours is yours
But whats the truth?

When the walls do crumble and they fall
It won't be hard to tell where we place our resolve

Some trust in chariots
But we trust in the name of Yahweh, our God
To each His own won't lead you home
And probably never will

I won't trust in the things I do
They will not stand, they won't come through
So I'll trust in the name of Yahweh, my God
I'll trust in the name

When the walls do crumble
And what will I find to hold on to
That's stronger than Yahshua?
Sing Hallelujah, Hallelujah
When the walls do crumble and they fall
It won't be hard to see where we place our resolve

Some trust in chariots
But we trust in the name of the Yahweh, our God
To each His own won't lead you home
And probably never will

I won't trust in the things I do
They will not stand, they won't come through
So I'll trust in the name of Yahweh, my God
I'll trust in name

Shalom,
Will

 You said it, Ruth !   We need to just be faithful and trust God.

"The main objective of guns is for protection"

Not really.  Some people golf to be out in nature.  I target shoot.  I also bring my family together for target shooting.  Most of the guns are 80 to 100 years old or replicas.  

I also hunt.  I purchased my son his first hunting rifle this year.  I am going to let him take my doe on the lease.  I am going to target a buck.  That should last in the freezer until next year. Deer roast makes for a nice roast on Thanksgiving as well.

My Father was like that, he fed us with deer he hunted and I still have the rifle he bought me.  I learned how to be safe old style and that killing was not a joke.  We always prayed before we butchered or hunted.  It was quite a lesson. Especially when we would coyote hunt, to defend livestock.  Dad was passionate about defending his animals.  Quite a lesson. Nature teaches us many things.  Tending flocks and herds is far different than weeding carrots.   For a time I had to hunt to feed my family during some lean years.  As I get older I find it very hard to hunt or butcher,  I have gotten to be very soft hearted but not towards targets, I like to shoot them full of holes.  I rarely eat meat so there is not much point in shooting a deer other than to give it away.  

I raise chickens, hunt, fish.  I plan on some raised bed gardens.  What little land I have, I make work for me.

With out the aid of animals I not quite certain how some SDA plan to make even the garden soil work.  Especially when you will not have money to buy B vitamens how will a vegan diet work?  Maybe someone can explain it. 

You can build up your soil using compost. And you still will have the organic matter from the worms etc. Also if you know the name Bob Jorgensen ( he died this year), he was a greater Adventist farmer and he experimented with using peas and beans to build up the soil nutrients.h He even used black strap molasses to add nutrients to his fruits. So it is quite possible to grow foods without animals. I personally intend to raise chickens not for the eggs but the manure.

And when it comes to vitamins. Lets remember that the plant based diet is not new, the research is new. Vitamins are there mostly because we are not getting our proper nutrients. But for centuries people were fit and strong because they grew their own food in a variety which would cover all areas.

Even when they say you can only get the vitamin from an animal source remember that's all the research they found out so far. There is research that vegans can get B12 without meat or supplements.
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/b12issue.html
http://www.wholevegan.com/vitamin_b12.html

You can build up your soil using compost. And you still will have the organic matter from the worms etc. Also if you know the name Bob Jorgensen ( he died this year), he was a greater Adventist farmer and he experimented with using peas and beans to build up the soil nutrients.h He even used black strap molasses to add nutrients to his fruits. So it is quite possible to grow foods without animals.

I grew up on a ranch with cattle, sheep and horses and even as a child, I was not a real big meat eater even though I did like to hunt as a youth.  My parents were Christians, but not SDA.   Looking at this from a Biblical point of view I often wonder why animals were kept antediluvian. Were sheep kept for wool or just for sacrifice? What about cattle. Some of the greatest spiritual lessons I have learned have been from the care of animals. Getting up early to milk, birthing, feeding, doing things according to the season and love for animals have all been spiritual lessons. Without the economy of it, why would you keep cattle or sheep or any other large animal the expense just does not warrant it.   In fact, I may start a post with this out of wanting more knowledge not for the sake of argument.  I find it kind of sad that some SDA look down on animals like cattle. They say "cow" like they are saying the word "pig" almost like Muslims have a disregard for dogs or swine.   God made nature and all of its creatures in a way that is perfect and yes I understand things have changed since the fall of man and yes I know all the writings of EG White.  It would seem that SDA would be a little wiser if they were not living in the city being like "new age vegans" or Buddhist and I am not saying this about you Noel Browne  but of others who seem to have disdain for country life and animals.  

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