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The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” Acts of the Apostles, p. 52

Is this passage true? Can we understand the Nature of the Holy Spirit, or is it a misunderstood mystery?

Given the early SDA Churches confusion on the role and personage of the Holy Spirit, does this passage reflect a fundamental understanding of the purpose of  the Holy Spirit in our lives?

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I know this is your favorite pastime to discredit E G White. Taking a quote out of context is not bolstering your argument is it? In all fairness how do you expect anyone to comment on a passage taken out of context. The SDA has understood the Holy Spirit well, save for a few souls who believe we have stolen the doctrine from the catholic church, and therefore refuses to accept it.  

I guess you was always a perfect Christian who had all the doctrines fully understood as soon as you was baptized. I can assure you that was not my experience I had to learn many things that I misunderstood.  

If this statement were true or applied as stated, the current SDA church would stand guilty of violating it. From the volumes written about the nature if the HS by SDA writers in the lesson quarterlies, in books and commentaries alone, we have logs in our eyes. Further, the statement has been abused by the official SDA church to stifle any enquiry into how we adopted the false trinity doctrine when our pioneers flatly rehected in on the basis of scripture. The new SDA organization strongly takes the trinity doctrine and now excommunicates anybody who questions it. This is happening in Australia, Africa and some US churches. 

If this statement was read in it's right context you would see that what Leon has done here is a poor job of discrediting E G White. 

Peace


True indeed brother Ian, however I don't think it's out of context, EGW is taking about one thing, which is the nature of the Holy Spirit, and brother Herbert is asking about the personage of the Holy Spirit. Everyone agrees the Holy Spirit is a person, we just don't know the nature of the person.

Also, there are many passages from EGW talking about the purpose of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately we know Herbert disagrees with most SDA teachings, and he's going to do what he does.


Blessings!

Thanks for your comment Reasoning, I only wish I had the same gift for patience and diplomacy as you do, May God Bless you Brother.

 

Given the early SDA Churches confusion on the role and personage of the Holy Spirit, does this passage reflect a fundamental understanding of the purpose of  the Holy Spirit in our lives?

No wonder you are called the resident Jesuit.   If you are going to teach us SDA's, then I would ask who are you to teach us? What is your back ground and what qualifies you?  This seems to be more than just opinion or commentary? 

No one can teach most of you, for you believe you know all the truth. Yet most of you have no manifestations of Holy Spirit, no prophesy for over 100 years, and opposition to any manifestation of holy spirit as you always assume the counterfeit. 99% of you have no desire for spiritual things meaning the manifestations. Operation of the 9'manifestations is crucial to understanding how the spirit works.

Of course the Written word on the subject must also be accurately understood. The Word written and the spirit of God will agree if true.

No wonder you have lack of understanding regarding the Holy Spirit!

Are any of you qualified and experienced in doing any manifestation of holy spirit?
I only know 3 SDA's who do, who shall remain nameless so they do not get persecuted.

That's the spiritual state most of you are in, persecuting those that do by those that don't.
That's very similar to the Catholics and Pharisees.

No one can teach most of you, for you believe you know all the truth. Yet most of you have no manifestations of Holy Spirit, no prophesy for over 100 years, and opposition to any manifestation of holy spirit as you always assume the counterfeit. 99% of you have no desire for spiritual things meaning the manifestations. Operation of the 9'manifestations is crucial to understanding how the spirit works.

Why do you assume that there is no manifestation of the Holy Spirit.  I go to a small church of mature believers.  There have been healings and many times it has been apparent that the message and prayer was directed by the Holy Spirit. This is very much a manifestation of the Holy Spirit.  Why is it important to you that the least of the gifts (speaking in tongues) be the most important when it is prophecy that is important and has to do with salvation.   There is no need for a big show, do you assume that because there is order and humble people there is no work by the Holy Spirit?  It is typical for most SDA to believe that the body of Christ exists out side of the SDA church, that God has his people every where. 

Please James show me not by a whole tome of your words but by Bible scripture and verse how speaking in tongues is proof of Baptism in the Holy Spirit?

Also if Charismatics and Pentecostals are truly manifesting the Holy Spirit, where is the prophecy for our day and age?  If prophecy is the greatest gift where are those with it.  I am not real impressed with the modern Pentecostal so called prophets.

The book of Revelations talks many times about "keeping the commandments". How then can Sunday Keeping group of believers understand Prophecy when they do not keep the commands of Jesus? I have seen in my life much "speaking in tongues" and manifestations by Sunday keeping fornicators and adulterers and drunkards.   

What is the proof of the Holy Spirit then? Manifestations as you keep saying or the "Fruits of the Spirit" which is the character of God.

What is more important being like/reflecting Jesus or some manifestation?  

Bart, it's not one or the other re fruit and manifestations. My comments is generally true. No prophet in SDA for over 100 years. Orderliness is good, but order without the manifestations is very limiting. They are not taught nor encouraged, and tongues is very important. It does 18 different things. Tongues I n conjunction with manifestation of faith and working of miracles saved part of Cobb..

They are in the Bible, God doesn't do things on a whim or for nothing. Tell Jesus you didn't use the the spiritual tools he gave you because you didn't believe and had no desire to do so.

Sola scriptura

Please from the Bible. 

The magicians cast down their staff like Aaron and they became serpents.  As told in Exodus 7:10.

What is interesting about the "gift of Tongues" is how many outside of what we call true Christians can do it also. Many cults and cult leaders speak in tongues.  Not saying Catholics are not Christians but they can speak in tongues also. What does this mean James.  To me it means that following Christ is more than just gifts.  I had to do a college course on Cults and I was quite shocked at how many criminal cults "spoke in tongues". 

As a parent do you want a child that only wants "gifts".  As a pastor I know says "many today are interested in the power that God gives but want nothing to do with the character of God that He wants to give."  This describes many but not all Charismatic / Pentecostal churches.

Unbelievers cannot speak in genuine tongues, meaning with freedom of will, and the person must be born again, and speak by freedom of will. God does not take people over.

If you were exposed to the genuine in operation, such as interpretation and prophesy, you would know how inspiring and uplifting the spirit from God can be. Everyone roles out the counterfeit videos which are horrible. True tongues are language(s) of men or of angels. Language, with structure, sentences, and not gibberish, though a language may sound like gibberish to one not knowing the language.

I hate to say it, there are prophets and other ministries around the world, but no prophets in the SDA since E.G. White. Why? She has been dead for over 100 years, there is supposed to be prophets in the church, at least regular prophesy that any believer can do. None have or are there. The lack of the gift ministries and manifestations in the SDA is indicative that the spirit of God is not operative in a big way. That is because of the anti-supernatural attitude for any spirituality including the holy spirit.

God can't work as effectively because of lack of faith, understanding, desire and freedom of will. He is limited often to man's cooperation, which is needed, as both god's have need of followers in their side to carry out the plan of their side.

SDA does some good, no question, as well as their hospital work. But if they did things like in the Book of Acts, things would be amazing and miraculous. Don't anyone bring up the counterfeit please. God is sick of the glorification Satan gets here. What glorification and credit does God get credit for by his spirit working in people? Almost none, the spirit remains dormant, unused and untapped, because your all untrained, afraid of any supernatural manifestation, including God. You don't know the spirit is trying to get out and manifest into the senses world, so God can get some glory.

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